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Team spirit

Monday April 30, 2007

Matthew Yglesias comments on conservative team spirit, riffing off this part of Brooks's last column, the one about prospects for conservatives:Second, there is the corrupting influence of teamism. Being a good conservative now means sticking together with other conservatives, not...
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Bill H
May 1, 2007 2:05 AM
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The question, of course, is whether or not conservatism is a philosophy or a political movement. If the former, then it should have a meaning more or less independent of what happens to be trendy political thought at the moment. If the latter, then Yglesias is right. I suppose that, among people who write about politics for a living, the latter fits into their mode of thinking more readily.

Don Altabello
May 1, 2007 2:44 AM
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Groupthink--that's the real reason that I've found that I've had to disassociate myself from any political establishment. I think it's a dangerous tendency--and a very tempting one at that when one commits their lives to a political party.

Starrs
May 1, 2007 3:00 AM
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I think Bill is right. The Republican party is about winning elections. Sure, the party embodies principles, but these are changed or abandoned altogether if necessary at times.
Conservatism is a political philosophy, period. And it's been a very rigid model built on Reagan, which has been quite inflexible. I get very annoyed at Brooks, since he threw a lot of fuel on the fire of compassionate conservatism, and now he says gee winikers why don't they change? Well, dude, compassionate conservatism WAS the change! I would dearly love to be tempted by a Democratic party presidential candidate, but take a look at the roster and come back and tell me who you'd be comfortable with. Yeah, the Repubs aren't much better, but they're still better.

Bob
May 1, 2007 5:14 AM
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The Republicans are starting to sound like the Democrats. Groupthink of the left or the right, what is ultimately the difference in a democracy?

Scott in PA
May 1, 2007 1:06 PM
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But when any movement gets caught up in groupthink, and forgets first principles in favor of power politics, it runs the risk of ossifying. The worst example of current groupthink is this insane notion that our national security is somehow dependent on the compostition of the government of Iraq.

SteveM
May 1, 2007 1:41 PM
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The GroupThink guys above have it spot on. And it's stupid reactionary GroupThink. I.e., I m against the other side s position, just because it s the other side. On the right it s things like gun control. If you don t support the absolute right to any and all (assault) weapons you re a traitor to the movement. You can t love Manhattan because the Blues live there, etc. And on the left. If you don t support any and all abortions (including the ones that cross over into infanticide) you re a traitor to the movement. And if you live in a fly-over state, you re an evangelical yokel, etc. A pox on both their houses.

dbkenner
May 1, 2007 2:47 PM
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"The worst example of current groupthink is this insane notion that our national security is somehow dependent on the compostition of the government of Iraq." Amen to that! Although, even if Bush and co. were alone in thinking this, and this was seen as "thinking outside the box," the Iraq war would still be a stupid idea. It's funny, in the past Republicans at least pretended commitment to time-honored conservative principles, some of which were "Kirkian" (or should I say Burkean?), but Rove and the Clever Men seem to view conservative principles as only fit for pansies and weaklings who don't know how to win elections. I guess there's a certain logic to this...as long as you ONLY want to win elections.

wildwest
May 1, 2007 5:56 PM
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"to go along with whatever most people who call themselves conservative are pushing in a given time or place can mean violating conservative principle." True for us liberals as well. :-) I guess that's why I am finding myself escaping from using the labels. So much time seems to have to be spent figuring out their proper definitions. Yet I know what I value, and I try to live by it, regardless of what anyone calls it.

Matt
May 1, 2007 6:27 PM
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"...when the conservative mainstream marched off rah-rah to war, and condemned conservatives who didn't agree with us as somehow false conservatives..." Let's be honest, a lot of you guys did MUCH more that that. People who disagreed with the war were called un-American, unpatriotic, material supporters of Al-Qaeda. The word "treason" has been bandied about more in the last four years by conservatives than in the last 50. It's still used today. Hell, look at the last RNC, with all those beaming Republicans sporting Purple Heart band-aids, denigrating the service of a veteran who happened to disagree with them. I know this is supposed to be water under the bridge, but we cannot forget how many conservatives, when their side was in power, slandered so many of their fellow Americans.

Bill Wertman
May 2, 2007 2:47 AM
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And how many in the RNC have real Purple Hearts? When did conservative and chickenhawk become synonymous?

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