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Conrad Crane told us so

Thursday May 31, 2007

I get "This American Life" via podcast, and listened to the latest one this morning (you can download it by following that link, or in iTunes). It was a stunner. One of the segments was about the work of Conrad...
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Franklin Evans
June 1, 2007 1:36 AM
http://madfedor.blogspot.com/

At the risk of sounding like a broken record (where's a dead horse when you need one): It is a clear symptom of dogmatic thinking. Some prevailing wisdom, to which one has made a significant investment (philosophical, emotional, you name it), has laid down the required conclusions. Regardless of the process or path one takes to get there (wilfull ignorance, blind faith, name a positive-sounding one), the dogmatist cannot conceive of a contradiction to the prevailing wisdom. It has outlets in many other areas, most notably what we call in IT crisis management: don't bother the manager unless it's a crisis. I have no doubt that Bush et alia are really, actually intelligent humans. I also have no doubt, q.e.d., that they are prone to dogmatic thinking.

James Freeman
June 1, 2007 1:46 AM
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Newspapers. We've known exactly what would happen to newspapers and exactly how it would happen since the early 1990s, at a minimum. And since the rise of the World Wide Web by the mid-'90s, we've know this would be the particular medium that killed off newspapers . . . NOT television, the medium about which editors everywhere obsessed. By that time, a legion of academic types were warning that newspapers had better figure out how to use the Internet and, specifically, had better figure out how to commercialize it . . . or else. Today, we have achieved "Else."

Joseph D'Hippolito
June 1, 2007 1:51 AM
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Franklin points to dogmatic thinking as a possible factor. I think there's another, perhaps more reasonable, one: a lack of internal accountability.
But Rod is wrong when he tries to equate the Bush administration's approach to Iraq with the Catholic hierarchy's response to the clerical sex-abuse crisis. For one thing, the hierarchy has encouraged for centuries a kind of blind deference from the faithful that no presidential administration would dare to encourage from the American people as a whole (except from party partisans) because it would fundamentally cut across the grain of this country's political culture. For another (and more important) thing, the hierarchy is fundamentally corrupt. The bishops ignored the report because they feared accountability and transparency. The demand for blind deference leads to an isolated, arrogant and self-perpetuating class of careerists. Add an impenetrable bureaucracy to the mix, and the obvious result is corruption. This has nothing to do with ideology; Marxism is fundamentally opposed to Catholicism, yet the Soviet nomenklatura was at least just as isolated and corrupt (if not more so).
Also, let's not forget that allowing the innocent to be sexually molested is a whole 'nuther varmint from creating well-intentioned policies out of ignorance.

Franklin Evans
June 1, 2007 1:58 AM
http://madfedor.blogspot.com/

Joseph, I don't intend this to be snarky, but my jaw just bounced off the floor: how can you not describe both of Bush's terms as using explicit demands for blind deference? As for the reasonability of my take, my experience -- and personal bias, yes -- beg to differ with you... though I also like your take on it as well. Internal accountability is (I want to qualify precisely) the difference between a good business with happy customers and a small group of ever more wealthy fat cats profiting regardless of how the business is going. I see alot of unhappy customers in the US, including me. I don't see much in the way of consequences to the fat cats.

~tv
June 1, 2007 2:35 AM
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I'm going to posit something a step further than arrogance. I posit that they ignored the warnings because the end result they and their neo-con backers wanted depended upon the war going badly. They wanted to bankrupt the federal government and line their pockets in the process. Hence the no-bid contracts, over-charging, double-billing and all of the other financial shenanegans coupled with such poor ground management that there woudl be no other choice than to continue to grow and expand the operation - thereby growing and expanding their own wallets. It's sick.

Kit Stolz
June 1, 2007 3:01 AM
www.achangeinthewind.com

From reading "State of Denial," it seems clear that the more resistance Rumsfeld and his backers Cheney, Wolfowitz and Bush got--especially from the brass and the experts within the Pentagon--the more convinced they were of the rightness of their course. This is arrogance, as has been widely remarked, but I think it's more than that. I don't know what the right word would be. It's almost like some sort of adolescent tantrum. "Denial" is not a full enough description. Perhaps it's an obscure psychological condition.

Bugg
June 1, 2007 4:40 AM
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One of the most damning insights of "Cobra II" was that the iraqi army was mostly conscripts in the noncoms, a few true believers in Saddam and Tikiritis in the officer corps and and whole bunch of poentially-useful junior and staff officers. The conscripts and nonbelievers were a ready-made civilian works projects and police force base. And Bremmer, against the advice of almost everyone, was allowed to disband the army and go an a mad "deBaathification", even though practically there weren't many Baaths . The Bush Administration not only was told before the war not to disband the army, Bremmer was told by almost everyone on the ground as he did it that disbanding them was a huge mistake. But he was allowed to do it anyway.
More proof-there wasn't a plan or an idea beyond "get Saddam!".

metanous
June 1, 2007 4:41 AM
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There is everywhere evidence of this behavior. It's not Schumpeter, but a fellow student of Weber, Michels, who identified the Iron Law of Oligarchy. For example: "a machine which is perfected for its own sake and not for the tasks which it could have performed.' . . . an inevitable result of organization. . . organization was an inevitable result of the attempt to be effective - in other words, that any group of people who try seriously to achieve any social purpose will end up serving a complex organization [and] become an end in itself. (Cf. Weber.) " When I learned of this concept in graduate school, it resonated with me. Since then, I have worked in and for many organizations, and observed many others--I have never known it to fail. The bishops, Enron, the Bushies, you name it. Only organizations that build in constant turnover in leadership can avoid it. (One article suggests that Athens' universal suffrage mitigated it; a strong democracy is pretty much required for it.) They have other problems, but to me this is a Great Evil, and needs to be avoided first and foremost. Lifelong bishops, bureaucrats, union leaders, intelligentsia--all will succumb, in the surety that they are still doing the Right Thing. The *only* good government derives its powers from the [frequent and] just consent of the governed--all of them. All other forms of so-called authority are tyranny. Blame Original Sin, if you like.

metanous
June 1, 2007 5:00 AM
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Maybe all those pronouns weren't quite clear. Let me try another definition: "all forms of organization, regardless of how democratic or autocratic they may be at the start, will eventually and inevitably develop into oligarchies. The reasons for this are the technical indispensability of leadership, the tendency of the leaders to organize themselves and to consolidate their interests; the gratitude of the led towards the leaders, and the general immobility and passivity of the masses." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy By Oligarchy I mean not only the rule of the few, but that the rulers will turn the powers of the organization or institution to their own interests rather than to make sure the organization benefits those being organized--i.e. the faithful, the American nation, the customers of Enron, etc.

Clare Krishan
June 1, 2007 6:40 AM
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Its not a new phenomenon - here's a renowned historal chart of Napoleon's troop strength on the Russian Campaign 1812-13: http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/minard http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~jrubarth/gslis/lis385t.16/Napoleon/ What variables might one consider on a similar view of Operation Iraqi Freedom? Death toll going in (coalition troops, foreign and domestic contractors and Iraqi civilians) with increments coming back out. Tracked against, instead of plummeting ambient temp., plummeting US deficit for calendar years 2003-7? Most of this adventure yet hasn't been paid for yet - we dig the hole deeper each and every day... I trace much of the current lack of accountability /dearth of inquisitive political discourse on the pervasive Powerpoint phenomemon in our commerce and education (Microsoft's making us soft): http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/powerpoint "The Cognitive Style of Powerpoint - Pitching Out Corrupts Within." Until we demand "truth in advertising," we have only ourselves to blame...
Last night on Charlie Rose Wolfowitz had the audacity to propose the Africans invite China to build their infrastructure for them... since when was it an American value to *invite* a Communist State to assist corrupt regimes in developing better forms of oppression and pillage???? He was right on one thing: building roads is key to getting growth in free markets in developing backwaters, but last I heard you didn't need a college-educated hack at the World Bank to figure out how to build roads... Romans taught barbarian Europeans 2,000 years ago, and in some parts of Britain they still cut a straight line from space (Google Earth shows Ermine Street cutting a straight line for 33 miles from Humber River landfall at Winteringham Lat. 53 41'15.68"N Long 0 35'26.00"W south to Lincoln (Lindum) Lat 53 14'5.51"N same longitude!) What tracks will the US Empire leave in Iraq apart from "church planting" Shariah law? Nothing more than decimation of traces left by even more Ancient civilizations than the Romans?

Richard Barrett
June 1, 2007 11:14 PM
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Every time I hear somebody suggest that Bush & Co. wanted to "bankrupt the federal government and line their own pockets in the process," I have to scratch my head a bit. I've no love for Bush at this point beyond some hope that a fallen man may someday redeem himself, and I've no doubt that he and the interests which he represents were/are executing events in Iraq in a way that generates wealth for themselves, but I get stuck on the whole "bankrupt the federal government" bit. Why? What's the motivating factor? It's like accusing industry of *wanting* to pollute. I don't have any doubt that they see environmental responsibility as a profit-limiting factor, but actively *desiring* to pour pollutants into the air? To what end? Richard

Joseph D'Hippolito
June 2, 2007 8:45 PM
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Joseph, I don't intend this to be snarky, but my jaw just bounced off the floor: how can you not describe both of Bush's terms as using explicit demands for blind deference? Has he gotten such deference, Franklin? Hardly. In fact, he's been subjected to non-stop criticism from all corners, practically ever since he took office. The fact that he hasn't gotten such deference proves my point. The American people as a whole are not likely to grant it to any elected official, Republican or Democratic, liberal or conservative. Why? Because Americans can influence the political process through voting, lobbying and other methods. Catholics can't do that. No Catholic has any say in how the Church is run beyond the parochial level. Where are the articles of Canon Law for redress of legitimate grievances? Bishops don't want the faithful to have that power because it threatens their self-perceived perogative to act as medieval potentates. This business about "the Church is not a democracy" is balderdash. No, the Church shouldn't be a democracy when it comes to fundamental articles of faith. But the cliche I cited has been used to cover up centuries of corruption that continues to this day.

Franklin Evans
June 2, 2007 10:46 PM
http://madfedor.blogspot.com/

I find nothing to argue there, Joseph, but I must point out that the voters do not set and implement policy; those who Bush demands and expects blind deference from do. It's a parallel to the Viet Nam disaster that no one seems to want to mention. Kennedy and Johnson were just as arrogant as we accuse Bush of being. Only time will tell how accurate that comparison is; the accusation is already proven to be true.

Joseph D'Hippolito
June 4, 2007 7:40 AM
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Franklin, the voters (in a manner of speaking) do set policy because they have the power to vote into (and out of) office those officials whose policies they like or dislike. Perhaps it's not on as specific a level as you might think, but woe to the politician who blatantly ignores the voice of the people for too long.

Franklin Evans
June 4, 2007 4:46 PM
http://madfedor.blogspot.com/

Joseph, it's a nice theory, and I've been known to be in your shoes in this topic more than once... but I live in a machine town (Philadelphia, Dem) and grew up in a machine town (Upper Darby/Delaware County, Rep) and I've seen direct demonstrations that the voice of the people can mean squat. My rhetorical question: what, praytell, is "too long"? :( There was one exception. Until he was gerrymandered out (and lost a senate bid to Santorum), Rev. Bob Edgar -- a moderate Dem -- represented that machine Rep district with integrity. I really do agree with you. I just can't get very far past my cynicism over the 50% of eligible voters who stay silent. Even machine towns would see some improvement if only half of those silent voters stepped up.

Joseph D'Hippolito
June 6, 2007 2:50 AM
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Franklin, I don't doubt your experiences one bit. Machine politics is a monument to what the Calvinists would call humanity's "utter depravity" (as would voter apathy). Nevertheless, despite the pervasiveness of machine politics in both parties, it's still subservient to the rule of law and the checks and balances enshrined in the Constitution. OTOH, whatever Canon Law might say about the behavior of bishops or the rights of the faithful has been effectively overwhelmed by an isolated coterie of arrogant ecclesiastical potentates that is oblivious to all but the most self-serving influences.

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