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Dr. Bacevich's Memorial Day

Saturday May 26, 2007

Turns out that two people wrote to Prof. Andrew Bacevich, the Vietnam and Gulf War vet whose son died a couple of weeks ago in combat in Iraq, and told him that his opposition to the war killed his son....
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cs
May 27, 2007 7:50 AM
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I cannot and will not excuse the behavior of those who were so thoughtless in communicating with a grieving father. And, I am inclined to give him the benefit of his grief, as well as his well-informed opinions on the war. Nevertheless, the close elections were hardly an "unambiguous repudiation" of war policy (cf. Lamont vs. Lieberman), and the war was not created or maintained by the "moneyed" class, in my opinion. My prayer is that Dr. Bacevich and his family receive God's strength and grace as they remember their beloved son.

armchair pessimist
May 27, 2007 1:07 PM
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Shame on them that intrude on this poor man's grief. And shame on them that listen to him.
money ensures that the concerns of big business, big oil, bellicose evangelicals and Middle East allies Big Oil. Who are their insatiable customers? Got a mirror, Prof B?
I call it Childishness by reason of temporary insanity.

Starrs
May 27, 2007 1:14 PM
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There are nutjobs everywhere, and it is despicable to intrude on someone's grief like that. I find it remarkable, though, that Bacevich goes for the good ol' wealthy as a scapegoat for continuation of the war. I am not arguing for the war, let me be clear. But Teddy and Kerry don't work for the wealthy, they ARE the wealthy. And the Democrats couldn't ram any legislation through because their leadership is lousy and they don't have the backing of the people. The 2006 elections were NOT a referendum on ending the war now. They were however, a referendum on the Republican leadership and management. Doesn't seem to me that the Democrats have been any sort of improvement.
Bacevich got the brushoff from politicians, and, sorry if this offends, he should have. Trying to trade in on your son's death to gain political advantage is as bad as one using his celebrity for the same reason. Call your senators after the wake, sir.

Bugg
May 27, 2007 4:28 PM
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Can we get this published on the front page of every newpaper and website tommorrow?

Franklin Evans
May 27, 2007 4:48 PM
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I'm with Bugg. This is exactly the sort of dialog every citizen needs to listen to (not just hear). Starrs, while neither of us is privileged to be inside Prof. Bacevich's head, his rhetoric stripped of emotional epithets is precisely what those running the war have refused to listen to since its start. I would offer the benefit of the doubt, and see his grief as informing his position, not as a coin to buy agreement. We, collectively, have failed to listen when it has not been infused with passion. Please, consider encouraging our leadership in listening to it despite that passion.

Irenaeus
May 27, 2007 5:34 PM
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I agree with the above posters that the election wasn't neceesarily primarily (sorry for 2 adverbs in a row) about Iraq; I think it ended up being about Mark Foley and the so-called "Culture of Corruption", which, it seems, is being continued by the Dems now that they're in power; seems they're simply better at putting lipstick on pigs.

Simon
May 27, 2007 10:26 PM
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Republicans kid themselves if they think the past election was in large part about anything other than Iraq.
Foleygate, Katrina, public spending, etc. were nothing more than sideshows politically. The war -- along with the person of G.W. Bush -- is a major albatross around the GOP. That won't change until the U.S. is out of Iraq AND G.W. Bush is out of public life.

Rod Dreher
May 27, 2007 10:51 PM
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However you felt about Bush on 9/10/2001, and however you feel about him now, it seems to me undeniable that he launched a war of choice, and lost it. Lost it bigtime. It was said at the time that Bush is gambling his entire presidency on Iraq. It was true, and he has lost. So has the Republican Party. The price they're going to pay at the polls in 2008 is going to be epoch-making. There's a part of this Republican who looks forward to it, in a way because one always likes to see justice done, but also in a self-flagellating way, because it's a matter of honor that those of us who supported this foolish war from the beginning take what we have coming to us. But as an American, I dread this, not only because of what it means for the country, having lost this war, but because I don't have faith that Democratic stewardship of the nation's business will be anything but weak. Then again, the Republicans have proven themselves untrustworthy. Dark times ahead for these United States, come what may next November.

Anon
May 28, 2007 2:38 AM
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Noice how he delicately references "Middle East allies?" Hmmmm...who could that be?

Bugg
May 28, 2007 2:46 AM
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Bacevich's anguish is that neither party will do what's necessary. Bush has in fact bet his presidency and will keeping playing by hitting the casino ATM until the January 2009, and the Dems don't have the guts to cut the funding and stop him because they want to get some measure of political advantage and don't want to be seen as "cowards" or some other such nonsense. Both parties are allowing magnificient young men and women by chewed up and spit out for base evil politics-a perfect storm. The war might have been winnable in 2003-might. Now, who knows? But instead of someone being an adult and stopping the carnage, we get more "Iraqis yearning to breath free" from the Dry Drunk in Chief and reindeer games by the likes of Kerry, Kenndy, Obama, Hillary.

sigaliris
May 28, 2007 3:49 PM
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I thought I was clever to have come up with the concept of an "emergent conspiracy." But I googled the term and found that others got there first. It's a meme! http://www.correntewire.com/emergent_properties_and_criminal_conspiracies It ignores completely the question of who actually pays. It negates democracy, rendering free speech little more than a means of recording dissent. I don't think this is paranoia. I think Andrew Bacevich is speaking the truth, and Rod has had the guts to recognize it and pass it on, for which I thank him. This is why I believe the Republicans must be punished, even though the Democrats are little better. We cannot shrug and let them get away with it. Not this time.

little john
May 29, 2007 4:00 PM
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Is this a quote from "Manufacturing Consent"?

dan
May 29, 2007 7:23 PM
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It's awful what those people have said to Prof. Bacevich. End of story. But that doesn't mean I can't disagree with him. This is exactly the kind of thing you'd expect to find from a writer for American Conservative, and it's to your discredit, Rod, that you've been mentioning AmCon more and more recently, going on about how brilliant they are. Just b/c you're fed up with Bush doesn't mean you have to jump to the crazy uncle end of the conservative spectrum.
"To whom do Kennedy, Kerry and Lynch listen? We know the answer: to the same people who have the ear of George W. Bush and Karl Rove -- namely, wealthy individuals and institutions. Money buys access and influence. Money greases the process that will yield us a new president in 2008. When it comes to Iraq, money ensures that the concerns of big business, big oil, bellicose evangelicals and Middle East allies gain a hearing. By comparison, the lives of U.S. soldiers figure as an afterthought."

Anon
May 29, 2007 9:26 PM
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The American Conservative is hardly "the crazy uncle end of the conservative spectrum." The magazine publishes thoughtful critiques of domestic and foreign policy. Had Bush listened to their advice, we'd have no futile war in Iraq; no "immigration reform;" and no massive entitlement (prescription drug bill) as starters. It would have saved lives, money and possibly our culture.

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June 1, 2007 11:16 PM
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Mr Bacevich's point is that the system continues quite well and that it is greased by money. This money isn't too particular about which party it comes from. None of that matters RIGHT NOW. Men and women are fighting and dying in the streets of Iraq, and that is what matters right now. That people would continue to politicize the situation is precisely the problem. No one is thinking or acting clearly. That would undermine their political platform.

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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