Character and comeuppance
Did you know that Attorney General Alberto Gonzales is a liar who misled Congress about an important law enforcement and civil liberties issue? Excerpt from the WaPo account today: As he sought to renew the USA Patriot Act two years...
Rod - I think these are two very different situations. In the first, you have a public official who, in the course of doing his job, deliberately lied to Congress about a very important issue. In the second, you have a public official who made a bad mistake in his private life. At least from the text of the article, Vitter confessed his transgressions to his wife and to God and asked for forgiveness. When confronted about this transgression by the press he told the truth about it. While I’m saddened to hear he was unfaithful to his wife, I’m impressed by his response to his family and to the American people.
Gonzales should be fired and left to face whatever consequences follow from lying to Congress. I’ll predict Vitter will face little to no fallout from this event. The American people are pretty forgiving if a public figure is honest with them. I still believe to this day that had President Clinton admitted up front that he did have an affair and that it was wrong he could have avoided all the trouble of the late ‘90s.
I wouldn't file the Vitter story under the "GOP comeuppance" file.
It appears that internal controls at the FBI are finding these violations of procedure. The violation that Wapo finds so egregious involves the following:
An NSL was given to a telephone carrier “for the telephone subscriber and toll billing records of a telephone number intended to be identified as that of the target. Instead, one of the numbers within the telephone number was incorrectly written;”
Does anyone here really think that such errors are not occasionally made at the FBI? Does anyone think that these people are infallible?
“Several years ago, I asked for and received forgiveness from God and my wife in confession and marriage counselling." - David Vitter, 2007.
"I'm a lot more like Lorena Bobbitt than Hillary. If he does something like that, I'm walking away with one thing, and it's not alimony, trust me," ,"- Wendy Vitter, 2000.
Did the forgiveness come before or after the castration?
"In the second, you have a public official who made a bad mistake in his private life." Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton.
Still, it is fun to see another hypocrite caught with his pants down--literally.
For the gazillionth time: Clinton's "mistake," while initially private, ceased to be so when he lied about it under oath pursuant to a sexual-harassment lawsuit. If Vitter had done that, I'd say the same thing.
I can't wait to hear what Rudy's ex-wives club will have to say as the campaign rolls on.
Yes, but when yet another member of the pious party of FAMILY VALUES instead of busying himself with fighting teh gays and other moral itchiness gets caught with his p****r in his fly, I whip up another batch of popcorn and watch the show.
"it's not my place to judge Sen. Vitter's soul...."
....just to tee-hee-hee about it.
In other words, it IS okay to consume others' private sins for entertainment ("whip up another batch of popcorn and watch the show") if you sufficiently dislike their public-policy stances.
Amazing.
Victor, where have you been? Crunchy Conservativism is all about being consumers, as long as what is being consumed is deemed worthy and appropriate for consumption by the chief. So you have a guy who was "above" the Dan Rather pile-on or reporting on the William Jefferson fiasco, but not above piling on Limbaugh or this Vitter teapot-tempest. Call it "Paleo-Correctness", maybe.
For the gazillionth time: Clinton's "mistake," while initially private, ceased to be so ....
When a certain party decided to drag it out into public.
What are you talking about, Pauli? I don't think there could possibly be enough piling on of Bill Jefferson. The man is a snake. I didn't realize I hadn't blogged on it here, but I can't and don't blog on everything.
Yes, seeing pious, breast beating, anti-abortion, anti-contraceptive, anti-gay, family values hypocrites roasted in public is quite enjoyable and has been as far back as Oral Roberts.
Clinton's "mistake," while initially private, ceased to be so ...
When a certain party decided to drag it out into public.
You say to-MAY-to; I say to-MAH-to. That's what a sexual-harassment suit (the predicate I initially had) IS -- a public action. The particular suit in question had the go-ahead as prima facie credible from all nine Scotus judges, including such pious, breast beating, anti-abortion, anti-contraceptive, anti-gay, family values hypocrites as Ruth Bader Ginsburg and John Paul Stevens.
Either you think sexual-harassment (and criminal sexual acts like rape or pedophilia, for that matter) should not be an actionable tort (crime), or you acknowledge that a person's private sexual behavior becomes relevant in that context and thus, in principle, public in that context.
Hey, if you want to dismantle the sexual-harassment industry in the name of individual privacy ... where were you 20 years ago?
And my point stands -- none of that has nothing to do with the immoral joy the amoral cretins are taking in Vitter.
And there you are completely misunderstanding just what we're taking joy in.
You might remember it is us liberals who believe your sexual preferences are your own business, and quite a few of us think prostitution should be legalized, so in both instances there would be nothing to talk about private citizen or not.
But as a political matter Vitter will be made a mockery and scorned from now until the next election along with every other preacher turned congressman or senator who preaches abstinance, rails against teh gays, and votes against progressive issues as it well should be.
I want him to suffer politically, and to be defeated all due to his hypocritical personal actions in regards his political stances on issues of importance to me.
Whether Mrs. Vitter wants his b***s in her pocket is between them.
So poor put upon Senator David Vitter seems to be more than a man who just made one little mistake and got caught. Darn, I need more popcorn.
Read the Wapo article carefully. It is one thing to use lawful powers granted by the Patriot Act to abuse civil liberties and it is another thing entirely to violate the law or administrative procedures designed protect civil liberties.
The article is unfair.
This does not change the fact that Gonzales is a poor attorney general who is just not ready for the Washington big leagues.
At the New Orleans brothel, Maier said Vitter spent time with several women, but preferred one in particular named Wendy. She said all the girls that were with Vitter described him as a kind, respectful man, who did not talk down to them or use drugs.
"I'm not out to ruin a marriage, I'm out to save a man," Maier said. "I want his wife to know he's a good man, I want his children to know he's a good father. If he had sex out of wedlock, so what? At least he stayed with his children."
What does it say about America that our brothel owners are usually classier and more honest than our politicians?
Ah the immoral joy of David Vitter's own words come back to push him off his moral high horse.
When you're living in a glass house ...
Just out of curiosity, how many conservative politicians HAVE been able to ride out sexual scandal?
Bob Baumann? Nope. Robert Livingstone? Uh uh. Contrary to assertions I've seen here, most conservatives tainted by sex scandals are history in politics.
Personally, I think Vitter and people like him would do well to emulate John Profumo: leave politics immediately, and spend the rest of their lives quietly doing charitable work to earn back their reputations.
But I won't hold my breath.
SONG OF DEBORAH
..they chose new gods then was war in the gates.. awake awake deborah utter a song.. the Lord gave you dominion over the mighty.. curse you bitterly the inhabitants thereof who came not to the help of justice against the mighty.. they divided the prey, to every man a damsel or two.. let all thine enemies perish o Lord and the land rest forty years..
Deborah palfrey deserves the Pemberton Award for Clean Governance.
Palfrey list is like the Black Book of 1918.
That trial of the Century is deleted from all books, cursed be reporters.
The list there had 47000 names.
The list here has 46000 phone bills.
The listed are not womenizers, machos or ordinary sinners.
They are power brokers gay lutheran shock and awe agitators of all wars and all panics.
These wretches are one dirty cover to the real pimps deep underground.
A curse on the kingpins, Justice Charles Darling then and Judge Adolph Kessler now.
Noel Pemberton-Billing
Trial of the Century 1918
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