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Friday July 6, 2007

Well-meaning (mostly) people don't want to ask tough questions about Islam because they fear that the answer might lead majorities to behave illiberally (or worse) towards Muslims among us. That's not an unreasonable fear, but it's no reason not to...
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Frank Mcleod
July 6, 2007 3:13 AM

There does seem to have been a change this week after these recent attacks. I detect even a hint of it on the super-politically correct BBC. Possibly because it happened in Scotland (in BBC think English National Pride = Racist, Scottish Nationalism = Rob Roy) with Nationalist Leader & 1st Minister Alex Salmond being such a critic of Blair and the war in Iraq it has for the main part removed the scales from the eyes of the media - they now have to accept that the only thing that unites these people is a desire to kill as many Kufar as possible. The MCB (Muslim Council of Britain) has been shoved to the margin and many of its figures shown up for the Jihadist sympathisers they really are. Maybe this is the begining of a real change. I am praying this is the begining of the end for Londinistan - it'd be great to see less Burkhas on the streets of West London.

Anonymous
July 6, 2007 1:22 PM

Why is it that you constantly harp on Muslims becoming more secular/western, yet you denounce Christianity for doing the same thing?

Kim M

Jim
July 6, 2007 2:08 PM

Kim,

Non-'secular/western' Muslims conspire to blow up nightclubs.

Non-'secular/western' Christian conspire to homeschool their kids.

Rod Dreher
July 6, 2007 2:30 PM

What Jim said. I would count it a loss if Muslims became as secular and materialist as many Westerners. I do count it a loss that most aren't secular and Western enough to live at peace in a liberal democratic system.

harvey lacey
July 8, 2007 2:28 PM

Non-'secular/western' Muslims conspire to blow up nightclubs.

Non-'secular/western' Christian conspire to homeschool their kids.

Posted by Jim


Give them time, the Christians, give them time.

We've already seen this week a Christian version of the Islamic fundamentalist experience. We had three teenage Christians caught in the act of attempting to destroy a church because they see too many different Chrisitan faiths in today's world.

If we look at terrorists we see first and foremost a convoluted perspective on society. There is no difference where the rubber meets the road between the beliefs of Timothy McVeigh and Islamic fundamentalists who see destruction of innocents as incidental or even necessary to jumpt start justice for the world.

We only have to look at the product of the faith based private schools in Islamic countries to see what our future holds here for us with the popularity of faith based private education.

Does anyone, even Rod, see the Islamic parents sending their children to faith based schools to raise terrorists? I'll bet a survey of Muslim parents and their reasonings for sending their children to the Islamic schools was to prepare them spiritually for a secular world. Not unlike the same logic I'm sure we'll find with Christian parents today seeking to send their children to faith based schools.

The outcome will be the same, Muslim or Christian education. Isolation doesn't encourage independent thought. We only have to look at the Bush administration and their dependence upon Christian higher education sources to see our nation can't survive faith based initiatives, not unlike the rest of the world.

So yes, Christians with the home schooling their kids based upon faith and fear of secularism present maybe even a larger threat to our nation than the Islamic fundamentalists. Islam on this topic seems to be ahead of the curve over Christianity. They've been raising their children in religious isolation for generations now and we can see the end result.

harvey lacey
July 8, 2007 2:56 PM

What Jim said. I would count it a loss if Muslims became as secular and materialist as many Westerners. I do count it a loss that most aren't secular and Western enough to live at peace in a liberal democratic system.

Posted by: Rod Dreher

Interesting Rod, veddy veddy interesting. One has to wonder just how much is too much, on anything. I wonder how much secularism is just enough to maintain spiritual purity for you. Care to elaborate?

I see it an awful lot like nudity versus pornography. If we go back seventy years when my father's mother hid her underwear under the sheets when hanging them out to dry and if she didn't have a dress modest enough, not long enough sleeves, she'd wear stockings to compensate and protect the souls of her children and neighbors then we have something pretty close to a conservative Islamic believer in the Middle East these days.

One has to wonder if men's heart are more pure when they don't see female extremities. How about the torso? Does the sight of a back or the exposure to a female belly corrupt the male soul? Where's the magic line one has to ask?

Isn't a perspective on secularism a lot like a perspective on human nudity? The evil more in the eyes of the beholder than it is in the object being viewed?

If you consider that possible then can't we also consider the fear of nudity and secularism equal as equally irrational as reasonable, even rational?

How about viewing our world without it's secular influences as being just like the Islamic one?

The cold hard fact Rod is secularism is what saves us from irrationality. The difference in the Muslim or Christian believer and the Muslim Christian fundamentalist is the believer's acceptance of secularism. It's what makes faith palatable, especially to others.

PaPa & MaMa
September 1, 2007 6:32 PM

Deliver A Messiah "Mistaken Identity" By Agron Belica Authorhouse Publishing Co.


Could there be something over-looked by both Christians and Muslims?

About the Book
Deliver A Messiah, "Mistaken Identity" by Agron Belica brings forth an elaborative examination of who was put on the cross. Many theories suggest that the son of Mary (aka Jesus Christ) was not the person placed on the cross, but someone other than Jesus Christ himself. The author takes you through an examination paving ways of new insight of who might have been put on the cross.
To contribute to the present work, the author investigated and researched to seek the truth about the assumptive facts leading up to what people of Christendom believe to be the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. The Bible and the Koran are the main resources used as references formally presented in use of persuasive arguments and theories of why the author strongly does not believe that the son of Mary was killed nor crucified.
The author has made every effort to be as unbiased and objective in presenting the facts and interpreting the events in this present work. The author is not trying to stir up controversy, but only wishes to lead people towards what might be considered the truth about the events believed about the crucifixion. The author strongly believes that the prevailing powers during that era have camouflaged the truth. The cover-up of the crucifixion with a false pretext was to lead the masses of people in the past and at present to believe, that the son of Mary was really crucified, by the leading elite that was influenced by the Jewish religious hierarchy at that time.


Could there in fact be evidence of a cover-up?

Primo
September 4, 2007 6:28 PM

MESSIAH RETURNS,

About the Book

Deliver A Messiah, "Mistaken Identity" by Agron Belica brings forth an elaborative examination of who was put on the cross. Many theories suggest that the son of Mary (aka Jesus Christ) was not the person placed on the cross, but someone other than Jesus Christ himself. The author takes you through an examination paving ways of new insight of who might have been put on the cross.

To contribute to the present work, the author investigated and researched to seek the truth about the assumptive facts leading up to what people of Christendom believe to be the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

The Bible and the Koran are the main resources used as references formally presented in use of persuasive arguments and theories of why the author strongly does not believe that the son of Mary was killed nor crucified.

The author has made every effort to be as unbiased and objective in presenting the facts and interpreting the events in this present work. The author is not trying to stir up controversy, but only wishes to lead people towards what might be considered the truth about the events believed about the crucifixion.

The author strongly believes that the prevailing powers during that era have camouflaged the truth. The cover-up of the crucifixion with a false pretext was to lead the masses of people in the past and at present to believe, that the son of Mary was really crucified, by the leading elite that was influenced by the Jewish religious hierarchy at that time.

won
September 25, 2007 5:29 PM

Deliver a messiah mistaken identity, wow hot

Kim Buchous
September 27, 2007 8:28 PM

Is the co-Author of your book Bin Laden? I say burn your book of lies Papa and won.

Roland
September 28, 2007 2:17 PM

DELIVER A MESSIAH "MISTAKEN IDENTITY" BY AGRON BELICA- THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION I'LL BOOKMARK THIS.

Rubin SIMMONS
September 28, 2007 2:54 PM

DELIVER A MESSIAH "MISTAKEN IDENTITY" BY AGRON BELICA--"YOU CERTAINLY DID IT THIS TIME." I WILL BE LOOKING FOR THIS. THANK YOU

DANNY
October 23, 2007 6:38 AM

DELIVER A MESSIAH MISTAKEN IDENTITY BY AGRON BELICA-- WOW! THIS BOOK WAS SO INTERESTING.. MAKES ALOT OF SENSE.. IT WAS NOT JESUS ON THAT CROSS THATS FOR SURE

whatever
October 24, 2007 5:53 PM

author agron belica is the anti christ and as for his yahya on the cross theory he can go f himself.... and shame on this site for supporting this mans blasphemy--- your an a@#hole to

rubystein
October 27, 2007 10:11 AM

It will be interesting to see how the Islamic world responds to this one. The majority of muslims hold the view point that it was judas iscariot on the cross, but this author claims an independant theory. After seeing the cover art I think I know where he is going with this one. Sounds like an interesting read. It is my opinion that this is a challenge to both christians and muslims. Please act christian like an refrain from such comments will ya. This is a free country and the author has a right to express his ideas/opinions or what have you.

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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