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"All for Jesus!"

Thursday August 16, 2007

Categories: Politics (general)
Below, find the video clip of Sen. Sam Brownback's infamous "All for Jesus!" stump speech in Iowa. Having finally seen it, I can only marvel at the complete pee-in-the-pants hysteria this thing has caused among some commentators. I literally thought...
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Anonymous
August 16, 2007 2:15 PM

the "Here come the Christianists!" freak-out over the Brownback address tells us way more about how alienated from ordinary American experience the unnerved are than it tells us about Sam Brownback.

Considering how many people have reservations about this, it may not be the "unnerved" that are alienated from "ordinary American experience," unless, that is, you intend to imply that ordinary Americans cannot be concerned about divided loyalties and imposition of religious dogma from the bully pulpit of the POTUS.

Daniel
August 16, 2007 2:15 PM

We should save our "pee-in-the-pants hysteria" and "hid[ing] under the bed and await[ing] the knock at the door," concern for Muslims, of course.

I think the Brownback thing is harmless and I don't fret much about theocracies, but do you see any irony in being snarkily dismissive on hand and being "pee-in-the pants" hysterical about Muslims and their threat to the Dallas metroplex in another? Do you really believe the threat of Sharia law is any greater threat than the possibility Christian theocracy?

Isn't it possible--even likely--that even the most "jihadist" and "extremist" Muslims haunting the Starbucks of Dallas are no more a threat to the U.S. than the SUV driving Evangalical megachurchers in the 'burbs? Isn't it possible that Dallas isn't London or Istanbul or Baghdad?

Mark Adams
August 16, 2007 2:16 PM

Rod,

I am curious why you are so emphatically not a Brownback supporter.

Anonymous
August 16, 2007 2:17 PM

I don't believe Mr. Dreher is concerned about Sharia Law in Dallas as he is a bomb going off there.

Of course, why anyone, Islamist or not, would set off a bomb in Dallas, of all places, is another matter entirely.

Joe Consumer
August 16, 2007 2:20 PM

I am curious why you are so emphatically not a Brownback supporter.

His support of Opus Dei is enough for me. Can't tell you why Rod wouldn't like him.

Mark Adams
August 16, 2007 2:26 PM

Thanks Joe. That's really helpful and well thought out.

Joe Consumer
August 16, 2007 2:31 PM

You're welcome, Mark. Somehow supporting the right of someone to make their own medical decisions is a good reason to vote for someone else, but support of a secretive and abusive cultish organization isn't?

To each his own.

Don Altabello
August 16, 2007 3:20 PM

Medical decisions--yeah, real original, Joe.

Incidentally--if he is an active participant (ie. not just supporter) of Opus Dei, that'd give me some pause too, but the fact that an Opus Dei priest was instrumental in bringing him into the Catholic faith doesn't really bother me.

Rod Dreher
August 16, 2007 4:14 PM

I think the Brownback thing is harmless and I don't fret much about theocracies, but do you see any irony in being snarkily dismissive on hand and being "pee-in-the pants" hysterical about Muslims and their threat to the Dallas metroplex in another? Do you really believe the threat of Sharia law is any greater threat than the possibility Christian theocracy?

Do you really think that what concerns me is the possibility of shariah courts at Dallas City Hall? Really?

Anonymous
August 16, 2007 4:24 PM

Judging from previous posts, what appears to concern you most is the unwillingness of Muslims to pretend they're Christians.

Daniel
August 16, 2007 4:29 PM

Your handwringing over Islam is perplexing and often fairly hysterical, so I actually have to say I can't quite figure out what you are worried about. You seem awfully worried about Sharia law and you seem to look for the absolute worst spin possible on anything a Muslim person says or does, so it is hard to tell.

My sense is that most people who fret about "theocracies" are speaking in hyperbole the same way you fret about sharia law and jihad. They are exaggerating to make a point, as I sense (I hope) you are.

ossicle
August 16, 2007 4:56 PM

This post totally pwns* you, Rod, as I suggested in my comment yesterday on your other thread along these lines:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/08/all-for-jesus-c.html#more

-O

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pwns

Rod Dreher
August 16, 2007 5:03 PM

Your handwringing over Islam is perplexing and often fairly hysterical, so I actually have to say I can't quite figure out what you are worried about. You seem awfully worried about Sharia law and you seem to look for the absolute worst spin possible on anything a Muslim person says or does, so it is hard to tell.

It's not Islam; it's Islamism. It's the belief that we ought to be ruled by an Islamic theocracy, and the acceptance, indeed the propagation, of Islamic extremist ideology in a time when Islamic extremists are making war on the United States. I have no fear that we will ever see Islamic theocracy in the United States. But I worry a great deal that these ideas stand to radicalize young people who may take it upon themselves, like their counterparts in the UK and elsewhere in Europe, to commit terrorists acts.

I really do believe that many on the American left would have their throats cut by an Islamist scimitar, and go to their deaths blaming George W. Bush and Jerry Falwell.

Daniel
August 16, 2007 5:18 PM
I really do believe that many on the American left would have their throats cut by an Islamist scimitar, and go to their deaths blaming George W. Bush and Jerry Falwell.

And I believe that many on the American right would have their car hit in an accident and immediately assume it was a terrorist attack planned by Islamic jihadists.

ScurvyOaks
August 16, 2007 5:28 PM

Context is all important. What Brownback says, immediately after the four "All for Jesus"es, is this: "It was faith that powered her to help millions." Not faith that powered her to get legislation enacted, or faith that got her elected to political office, because that's not what Mother Teresa was about.

This is a politician pointing out that faith powered a person who is renowned for her acts of mercy. Brownback is way down my list of favorite candidates, because I disagree with him about the role of the state in trying to bring about the good society, but I sure don't see much basis for freaking out about this.

Larry Parker
August 16, 2007 6:56 PM

Having had Opus Dei in-laws for several years (VERY uncomfortably), rest assured that alone concerns me about Brownback, regardless of his stump speeches.

And no, I have no plans to EVER move to Texas ...

Anonymous
August 16, 2007 7:47 PM

have no fear that we will ever see Islamic theocracy in the United States. But I worry a great deal that these ideas stand to radicalize young people who may take it upon themselves, like their counterparts in the UK and elsewhere in Europe, to commit terrorists acts.

Yet you speak about Islam as if it's the problem, when the problem is these young men have nothing more in their lives to look forward to than death by extremist jihad.

John E.
August 16, 2007 10:39 PM

>>>>
But I worry a great deal that these ideas stand to radicalize young people who may take it upon themselves, like their counterparts in the UK and elsewhere in Europe, to commit terrorists acts.
>>>>

I submit that you worry way too much about this.

In any case, how do you square worrying a great deal about this, or anything for that matter, with Christ's words:

Matthey 6:34
Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

I'm not being snarky here Rod. I am sincerely interested in how you reconcile what is clearly an intense fear, worry, anxiety, what have you, about so many subjects you have written about - but especially the Islamicist menace - with Christ's clearly stated command not to worry about any such things.

John E.
August 16, 2007 10:41 PM

'Matthey' should, of course, be 'Matthew'.

Donny
August 17, 2007 9:17 AM

From the condition of our children in public schools after this infection of secular humaism (John Dewey, et al) has sickened our children both physically, mentally and spiritually (literally), "All for Jesus" is not bad advice.

The secularists have given our world liberty and death.

Anonymous
August 17, 2007 11:53 AM

I guess it's obvious. If a "Christian" theocracy happened in this country, the Christians, of course, would not be upset about that -- at least until they started the in-fighting over "which" Christianity would actually rule. However, if the "theocracy" were Muslim, it would be every Christian's nightmare come true. (and maybe the Scientologists would articulate disapproval, too!)

Charles Cosimano
August 17, 2007 12:34 PM

Well, as Senator Brownback's actual chances of getting nominated are pretty low I wouldn't spend much time worrying about it one way or the other.

mik_infidelos
August 17, 2007 2:03 PM

Senator Brownback is enthusiastic proponents of Open Borders, ie distraction of the USA as it existed for 200+ years.

Such person has disqualified himself from being the POTUS.

mik_infidelos
August 17, 2007 2:10 PM

"Judging from previous posts, what appears to concern you most is the unwillingness of Muslims to pretend they're Christians."

What concern me most is willingness of so many Muslim to cut heads of infidels. How about you, unnamed commenter?

mik_infidelos
August 17, 2007 2:23 PM

Rod wrote:

"It's not Islam; it's Islamism."

And the difference is? Perhaps some citations from Koran or Haditha that show the difference?

"It's the belief that we ought to be ruled by an Islamic theocracy"
Actually there no such belief. Every good Mussulman believes that the world must live under Allah given rules, Sharia.

In practical terms it is rulers who apply Sharia rules and it is Mullahs who issue verdicts.


"the acceptance, indeed the propagation, of Islamic extremist ideology in a time when Islamic extremists are making war on the United States."

What you call Islamic extremist ideology is a plain meaning of the Koran. Either you ignore the plain meaning and live life as a bad Mussulman. Or you believe in it and support those who try to curry their obligations out and live your life as a good Mussulman.

Jim
August 17, 2007 11:20 PM

The trouble is most of you don't actually read up on- or listen to- what Senator Brownback actually says. He is, unsurprisingly, absolutely against any form of state run church - which everyone already knew. He goes on to say it would be bad for the church, which everyone for over 200 years - except some bloggers -has always realized. No one could get elected to Congress or elected three times to the US Senate from anywhere if he was anything like what these irrational bloggers say. He is NOT a proponent of "Open Borders" and just ten minutes of research would rebut all these myths. Spend more time reading and less time typing.

Norris Harrington
August 18, 2007 10:23 AM

John E.,

I think his friends called him Matthey.

mik_infidelos
August 19, 2007 4:01 AM

"He is NOT a proponent of "Open Borders" and just ten minutes of research would rebut all these myths. Spend more time reading and less time typing."

Just 2 min of googling and even average high school student will learn that Brownback has voted for Crush the Nation Immigration act last year, one of a handful of Repubs to do so.

Brownback voted for even worse Immigration bill this year. When he realized that bill is not going to pass, he went to an official vote keeper and changed his vote. To their shame many Repubs, commited yes votes, voted against this bill when they realized that it is going down. Repub Minority Leader is one of them.

But nobody was as shameless as Bback, who literally voted yes before voting no.

If Kansas voters have any sense they would dump Bback ASAP.

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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