The Wall Street Journal's Paul Gigot gets the exclusive. Excerpt: "I just think it's time," he says, adding that he first floated the idea of leaving to Mr. Bush a year ago. His friends confirm he had been talking about...
Rod, I think Gingrich has a better take than you do. Everyone keeps talking about a permanent Democratic majority and citing the Presidents low aproval ratings, but the democratic congress has much lower, even record low, approval ratings. The Democrats didn't win, the republicans lost and the democrats were the only other ones in the race, and they are blowing it.That doesn't mean the Republicans will necessarily make a come back. They, and the democrats are so out of touch right now that victory seems to depend on who's base is less mad at their party at the moment. The amazing thing is that there is still no viable third party. Now would be the time for it.
Rock
August 13, 2007 8:15 AM
I think we all forget how many times one of the two major parties has been pronounced "dead."
I remember the first election I voted in, the 1984 Reagan landslide over Walter Mondale. People were saying "What's wrong with the Democrat party?" Two years later, in 1986, the Democrats won a net of 8 seats in the US Senate and took the majority in the US Senate while retaining the majority in the US House. 6 years after that Bill Clinton won the White House.
Then it was the Republicans' turn to be the "dead" party. Except that only 2 years later, in 1994, the Republicans won the US House for the first time in 40 years.
And on it goes.
So, right now the big-Mo is with the Democrats. But if they win the White House next year, the big-Mo will be with the Republicans simply because the American voter is terminally mad at his government.
What people are completely missing in the middle of all this "Bush is un-popular" talk is how well the nation is doing.
4.6 percent unemployment.
3 percent economic growth.
No terrorist attacks since 9/11.
I predict that when after Hillary Clinton wins the White House in 2008 (you heard it here first) all 3 of those "fundamentals" will no longer exist.
Unemployment will climb. Economic growth will sag. And terrorist attacks on American soil will become routine.
At that point, George W. Bush will look like a modern day Truman, a guy who was unpopular when in office because he made tough decisions, but mostly made the right ones.
SteveM
August 13, 2007 8:35 AM
Rove’s going to make his big money on the Talking Heads circuit like Gingrich and the others. Getting out now gives him a semblance of legitimacy as he attempts to wire himself into the other side of the political morass. Waiting until the failure of the Bush presidency fully articulates itself in January 09 would kill his post-administration living large income as a Gingrichian gasbag.
It’s a money thing….
John E.
August 13, 2007 8:40 AM
Two points not mentioned by Rod worth noting:
There was also a scathing piece on Rove published in the recent Atlantic Monthly.
Leaving the White House allows Rove to do projects for the RNC and Republican nominee.
John Savage
August 13, 2007 9:12 AM
Karl Rove is now laughing at you, Rod. He was never stupid; he achieved virtually all his real goals, of which "creating a permanent Republican majority" was not one. He found a temporary majority altogether more useful. May you learn to recognize a true Machiavellian when you see one.
Pauli
August 13, 2007 9:27 AM
Rod: "...uniquely sinister political figure of Voldemortian stature."
But I can't remember anyone on the left being afraid to say his name. The reaction to Rove was quite the opposite; his name was on the blame list for everything. He was more of a dartboard boogieman than a greatly-feared dark lord. But nice attempt at a trendy metaphor.
Anonymous
August 13, 2007 10:01 AM
I was happy about this news until I read that. It hadn't occurred to me that Rove would leave the White House to devote himself full-time to politicking for the current nominee. It's disconcerting to think that the era of Rovian dirty tricks like the push-polling about McCain's "illegitimate black baby" isn't over at all. I fear this is going to be one long and ugly campaign.
astorian
August 13, 2007 10:34 AM
I've never quite figured out what Karl Rove ever did to deserve his "genius" tag. I can only guess it's because the Left couldn't take George W. Bush seriously, and felt compelled to find some explanation for his successes.
If Bush beat McCain, it couldn't be because McCain stupidly alienated the religious conservatives he needed- it HAD to be because an evil genius like Karl Rove was using dirty tricks.
If Bush "won" the 2000 election (people are free to add an asterisk if they like), it couldn't be because of a set of weird, freaky, never-likely-to-be-duplicated coincidences in Florida... it had to be that evil genius Rove manipulating the results.
In reality, Karl Rove was a semi-competent political strategist, nothing more. It's not as if he took an unknown politician from Hicksville and guided himn to a landslide victory. On the contrary- he started with a likable candidate who had 100% name recognition and loads of money! You or I could have been his campaign manager and accomplished the same thing!
Anonymous
August 13, 2007 10:53 AM
Good riddance to thug rubbish, I say. Too bad he's still hanging around to infest the RNC with his evil, anti-Constitutional agenda.
Tim Lukeman
August 13, 2007 11:17 AM
I think the conservative attitude toward gays, however galvanizing in the short term, is going to be a long term disaster. The tide is already turning, slowly but surely, as more of the public sees the phrase "gay people" and concentrates more on "people" than "gay." We simply know more friends & relatives who are gay, and who are decent, moral, compassionate human beings, the sort of people who make for a better world.
This isn't a "conservatives are all hate-filled, anti-gay bigots" screed, by the way. I've met enough conservatives who know & like individual gay people, and whose antipathy to homosexuality is genuinely based on their religious & moral beliefs.
But it seems more & more obvious that the future will regard that antipathy in the same light as the antipathy to racial equality, which was often espoused by decent, caring people who knew & like individual black people, who would never have participated in outright bigotry, but who still regarded the inferiority of blacks as something natural & even God-ordained.
Which is why rallying the troops against gay marriage is a losing proposition in the long run. And the Karl Roves of this world will be rightfully castigated by history for being on the wrong side of the moral line. (For far more than this, of course.)
Rod Dreher
August 13, 2007 11:50 AM
He was never stupid
Who in their right minds would call Rove stupid?
Doug
August 13, 2007 8:52 PM
Funny to me, that the one strategic point he missed was that the quality of government might affect voting habits. On every point, he seems to have found an effective solution. I didn't side with the Dems last election because of the war or spending. I'm just fed up with recklessness and incompetence.
The thing is, competence in implementation indicates sincerity in ideology. Throughout the Bush administration it felt like as long as they were failing at the right things, they believed they were keeping promises. An administration that really wants to keep us safe doesn't hire someone's drinking buddy to run FEMA. An administration that wants to reform the supreme court doesn't try their luck on an old girlfriend. An administration that wants to govern with a conservative scope doesn't call the Senate back to not pass an invasion of one family's privacy and one state's laws. An administration that really believes Iraq is the central battlefield in the war on terror and that the war on terror is the most important challenge facing the country doesn't under-deploy and turn to rhetoric when things go badly. In the end, the Rove legacy is a legacy of ideological chrome-plating.
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Rod, I think Gingrich has a better take than you do. Everyone keeps talking about a permanent Democratic majority and citing the Presidents low aproval ratings, but the democratic congress has much lower, even record low, approval ratings. The Democrats didn't win, the republicans lost and the democrats were the only other ones in the race, and they are blowing it.That doesn't mean the Republicans will necessarily make a come back. They, and the democrats are so out of touch right now that victory seems to depend on who's base is less mad at their party at the moment. The amazing thing is that there is still no viable third party. Now would be the time for it.
I think we all forget how many times one of the two major parties has been pronounced "dead."
I remember the first election I voted in, the 1984 Reagan landslide over Walter Mondale. People were saying "What's wrong with the Democrat party?" Two years later, in 1986, the Democrats won a net of 8 seats in the US Senate and took the majority in the US Senate while retaining the majority in the US House. 6 years after that Bill Clinton won the White House.
Then it was the Republicans' turn to be the "dead" party. Except that only 2 years later, in 1994, the Republicans won the US House for the first time in 40 years.
And on it goes.
So, right now the big-Mo is with the Democrats. But if they win the White House next year, the big-Mo will be with the Republicans simply because the American voter is terminally mad at his government.
What people are completely missing in the middle of all this "Bush is un-popular" talk is how well the nation is doing.
4.6 percent unemployment.
3 percent economic growth.
No terrorist attacks since 9/11.
I predict that when after Hillary Clinton wins the White House in 2008 (you heard it here first) all 3 of those "fundamentals" will no longer exist.
Unemployment will climb. Economic growth will sag. And terrorist attacks on American soil will become routine.
At that point, George W. Bush will look like a modern day Truman, a guy who was unpopular when in office because he made tough decisions, but mostly made the right ones.
Rove’s going to make his big money on the Talking Heads circuit like Gingrich and the others. Getting out now gives him a semblance of legitimacy as he attempts to wire himself into the other side of the political morass. Waiting until the failure of the Bush presidency fully articulates itself in January 09 would kill his post-administration living large income as a Gingrichian gasbag.
It’s a money thing….
Two points not mentioned by Rod worth noting:
There was also a scathing piece on Rove published in the recent Atlantic Monthly.
Leaving the White House allows Rove to do projects for the RNC and Republican nominee.
Karl Rove is now laughing at you, Rod. He was never stupid; he achieved virtually all his real goals, of which "creating a permanent Republican majority" was not one. He found a temporary majority altogether more useful. May you learn to recognize a true Machiavellian when you see one.
Rod: "...uniquely sinister political figure of Voldemortian stature."
But I can't remember anyone on the left being afraid to say his name. The reaction to Rove was quite the opposite; his name was on the blame list for everything. He was more of a dartboard boogieman than a greatly-feared dark lord. But nice attempt at a trendy metaphor.
I was happy about this news until I read that. It hadn't occurred to me that Rove would leave the White House to devote himself full-time to politicking for the current nominee. It's disconcerting to think that the era of Rovian dirty tricks like the push-polling about McCain's "illegitimate black baby" isn't over at all. I fear this is going to be one long and ugly campaign.
I've never quite figured out what Karl Rove ever did to deserve his "genius" tag. I can only guess it's because the Left couldn't take George W. Bush seriously, and felt compelled to find some explanation for his successes.
If Bush beat McCain, it couldn't be because McCain stupidly alienated the religious conservatives he needed- it HAD to be because an evil genius like Karl Rove was using dirty tricks.
If Bush "won" the 2000 election (people are free to add an asterisk if they like), it couldn't be because of a set of weird, freaky, never-likely-to-be-duplicated coincidences in Florida... it had to be that evil genius Rove manipulating the results.
In reality, Karl Rove was a semi-competent political strategist, nothing more. It's not as if he took an unknown politician from Hicksville and guided himn to a landslide victory. On the contrary- he started with a likable candidate who had 100% name recognition and loads of money! You or I could have been his campaign manager and accomplished the same thing!
Good riddance to thug rubbish, I say. Too bad he's still hanging around to infest the RNC with his evil, anti-Constitutional agenda.
I think the conservative attitude toward gays, however galvanizing in the short term, is going to be a long term disaster. The tide is already turning, slowly but surely, as more of the public sees the phrase "gay people" and concentrates more on "people" than "gay." We simply know more friends & relatives who are gay, and who are decent, moral, compassionate human beings, the sort of people who make for a better world.
This isn't a "conservatives are all hate-filled, anti-gay bigots" screed, by the way. I've met enough conservatives who know & like individual gay people, and whose antipathy to homosexuality is genuinely based on their religious & moral beliefs.
But it seems more & more obvious that the future will regard that antipathy in the same light as the antipathy to racial equality, which was often espoused by decent, caring people who knew & like individual black people, who would never have participated in outright bigotry, but who still regarded the inferiority of blacks as something natural & even God-ordained.
Which is why rallying the troops against gay marriage is a losing proposition in the long run. And the Karl Roves of this world will be rightfully castigated by history for being on the wrong side of the moral line. (For far more than this, of course.)
He was never stupid
Who in their right minds would call Rove stupid?
Funny to me, that the one strategic point he missed was that the quality of government might affect voting habits. On every point, he seems to have found an effective solution. I didn't side with the Dems last election because of the war or spending. I'm just fed up with recklessness and incompetence.
The thing is, competence in implementation indicates sincerity in ideology. Throughout the Bush administration it felt like as long as they were failing at the right things, they believed they were keeping promises. An administration that really wants to keep us safe doesn't hire someone's drinking buddy to run FEMA. An administration that wants to reform the supreme court doesn't try their luck on an old girlfriend. An administration that wants to govern with a conservative scope doesn't call the Senate back to not pass an invasion of one family's privacy and one state's laws. An administration that really believes Iraq is the central battlefield in the war on terror and that the war on terror is the most important challenge facing the country doesn't under-deploy and turn to rhetoric when things go badly. In the end, the Rove legacy is a legacy of ideological chrome-plating.
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