Crunchy Con

Am I liberal or conservative?

Wednesday September 19, 2007

Andrew Sullivan asks himself that question, and proposes to answer it by taking an Internet quiz devised by some academics who theorize that there's a moral basis for the left-right split in US politics, and that there's a psychological basis for that morality. I took the quiz too. My results are below (the green graph line on the far left is my score; the red line is how most conservatives who took the test ranked, and the blue line is the average score for liberals who took the test).

I found the results fairly interesting. I am almost exactly with other conservatives on the fields of Harm and Fairness (e.g., how much each factor counts in deciding whether an action is morally right or morally wrong). But I score much lower than conservatives, and even lower than liberals, on Loyalty. And while conservatives score higher than liberals on Authority and Purity, I score significantly higher even than conservatives.

Here's some analysis from one of the psychologists who invented the test, via a NYT science story:

Of the moral systems that protect individuals, one is concerned with preventing harm to the person and the other with reciprocity and fairness. Less familiar are the three systems that promote behaviors developed for strengthening the group. These are loyalty to the in-group, respect for authority and hierarchy, and a sense of purity or sanctity.

They found that people who identified themselves as liberals attached great weight to the two moral systems protective of individuals — those of not harming others and of doing as you would be done by. But liberals assigned much less importance to the three moral systems that protect the group, those of loyalty, respect for authority and purity.

Conservatives placed value on all five moral systems but they assigned less weight than liberals to the moralities protective of individuals.

Dr. Haidt believes that many political disagreements between liberals and conservatives may reflect the different emphasis each places on the five moral categories.

Extreme liberals, Dr. Haidt argues, attach almost no importance to the moral systems that protect the group. Because conservatives do give some weight to individual protections, they often have a better understanding of liberal views than liberals do of conservative attitudes, in his view.

What do I make of my scores? Well, the first thing that occurred to me when looking at them was: this helps me understand the psychological reasons why I left the Catholic Church. I have very high expectations of authority, and an unusually strong set of principles regarding purity/sanctity. And I have an unusually weak feeling of loyalty. On that, when I was taking the quiz, one of the questions asked if one should be loyal to a family member even if the family member had done something wrong; I thought, "Well, I certainly wouldn't shun my family member, but I also wouldn't cut him or her any slack if he or she violated the moral law, just because I'm related." Perhaps I misinterpreted the question, but I don't think so. Anyway, looking at that graph -- and remember, all this test does is map out your psychological terrain -- it's clear that for me, when authority fails, especially when it involves sexual misconduct and abuse, I do not have much of a psychological anchor to keep myself bound to that authority, whose conduct I find deeply repellent on a moral and psychological level.

The high Authority-low Loyalty scores probably explain my disinterest in supporting the Republican Party in 2008. They had Authority. They misused it badly. But my other scores indicate why I'm disinterested in supporting the Democratic Party either.

All this makes sense to me, actually. When I was growing up, my dad taught me always to stand up for what I believed was right, and let the chips fall where they may. Always be true to your convictions, no matter what, he instructed -- even if you have to suffer the loss of your friends. I took that deeply to heart, I guess, which accounts for my low Loyalty score. The problem with having a low Loyalty score, though, is that while it might reflect unusual dedication to principle, it also reveals a lack of the psychological disposition necessary to maintain the institutions necessary to uphold the other values I honor, when those institutions are in crisis. I was thinking just the other day, reading the Ehrenhalt material, about how completely frustrated I was by the relative lack of outrage (leading to action) there was among the Catholic laity over the sex abuse scandal. What I failed to grasp at the time was that ordinary people have a need to believe in the Church -- please don't misread me; I don't mean that in a condescending way -- and to go at the institution hammer and tongs to root out the malefactors, which is what I advocated, might well have been something they weren't psychologically able to do. I failed to understand something practical about basic human psychology, something that a conservative ought to have grasped instinctively. I don't regret having very high scores on Authority and Sanctity -- and if dedicated churchmen don't have high scores on either, they should worry, it seems to me -- but I was not psychologically disposed to understand the Loyalty most people, even liberals, felt toward the Church as an institution. It was a loyalty I felt too, but only, it seems in retrospect, and in light of this test, because I saw it as the unshakable repository of Authority and Sanctity/Purity.

Ah well. Useful to get this learnt. If you want to take the quiz, go here. You have to register, but it's quick and easy. Discuss your results in the comboxes.

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Comments
Fitz
September 23, 2007 3:45 PM

Haidt thesis concerning the five moral impulses; and the two (beehive & contractual) moral systems that have developed (and are now in contention) seems a lucid and useful one.

What strikes me as particularly important is the way the “beehive system” recognizes the moral veracity of the Harm and Fairness conceptions within the “contractual system”. At the same time however, the “contractual system” remains constitutionally incapable of recognizing the moral veracity of the Loyalty, Authority and Purity impulses contained within the “beehive system’s” deeper tapestry.

In this manner it becomes fair to characterize the “contractual system” as significantly less sophisticated intellectually that the beehive model. It is also fair to recognize that the “contractual system”, in as much as it seeks to deny (or is incapable of recognizing) what science & evolution find legitimate within mans moral impulses: – is also the less humane system.

In support of this contention I offer (first) Yuval Levin’s quote that gets to the hart of the matter when he (correctly) notes..

“So modern liberalism has sought to deny the significance of unchosen obligations, inventing for itself a creation myth by which all human relations result from an original (contractual) choice in some state of nature, which would make only chosen obligations legitimate ones. This has done a lot of good, but it doesn’t change the fact that some of our most important obligations—particularly those in the family—remain unchosen yet binding and essential.”

In support: I would offer thisfrom the U.N. Universal Declaration of Human Rights And point out contemporary liberalisms inability (under the contractual system) to identify and defend those human goods that until quite recently it was capable of articulating. (To the point of enshrining them within international law.)
Article 16

1.Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution. 2.Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses. 3.The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.


{This is further expanded in Article 7 & 8 of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child}

I believe this goes immediately to Mr. Haidt thesis & Yuval Levin’s critique. Illustrating the very real and practical ignorance that the “contractual model” dictates when contemporary proponents of that model are confronted with liberalism more amiable to all five of Haidt’s moral impulses.

M_David
September 25, 2007 11:03 AM

It's exactly the same system except that they can deny people social security if they think that old man is getting a little too friendly with the widow down the road.

What? No, my point is that there is no "right" to SS at all among the Amish. The group may help you, or may not. This creates a powerful incentive to prepare for your own future through your family. Under our system, we plan for SS checks and demand it. It's our right. We demand labor from our children we aren't even having.

To receive aid among the Amish is a sign that your family has dropped the ball.

And, as anyone could have guessed, SS will have to be changed, because cannot be sustained. The Amish plan works and SS is doomed to fail. Proposals have already been talked about where women who bear children get funding to encourage to creation of more workers. Something must change.

So DavidTC, you don't understand my argument at all, or are deliberately twisting it.

And your comment And while you're welcome to advance that argument, if you're trying to base such an argument in Christianity..., makes the nasty accuation that if I don't support your view or the current SS system, I am not Christian. Pah. Think about your arguing style. First, twist what I'm saying, and then accuse me of being anti-Christian. Not very Christian.

No, my view is 100% Christian. Schemes like SS, that separate childrearing from production, are not.

DavidTC
September 26, 2007 11:05 AM

And, as anyone could have guessed, SS will have to be changed, because cannot be sustained. The Amish plan works and SS is doomed to fail.

Social security is not doomed to failure, period. It's not even the slightest bit in trouble. Simply saying it is doesn't make it so.

Proposals have already been talked about where women who bear children get funding to encourage to creation of more workers. Something must change.

a) No they haven't, you just made that up, and b) as opposed to your plan where...women have to have children to support themselves in their old age?

No, my view is 100% Christian. Schemes like SS, that separate childrearing from production, are not.

From 'production'? Have I suddenly ended up on a Marxist blog without noticing it? Why the heck do we care about 'production', comrade?

Or do you mean 'child production'? I think a saner term would have been 'reproduction', or even 'childbearing' if you did, but whatever.

SS actually separates retirement from childrearing.

makes the nasty accuation that if I don't support your view or the current SS system, I am not Christian. Pah. Think about your arguing style. First, twist what I'm saying, and then accuse me of being anti-Christian. Not very Christian.

So, if I say a scheme isn't very Christian, it's not very Christian of me, but if you say a scheme isn't very Christian, that's fine. Additionally, you can just go ahead and call me 'not very Christian', too. (Which, BTW, I did not do to you. I said the scheme wasn't Christian.)

Interesting.

But, more to the point, the idea that you should help people you don't morally agree with is, in fact, explicitly stated by Jesus, so I will continue to assert the idea that 'People who don't behave correctly shouldn't get any help from Christian social support', which, while very often repeated in the various history of Christianity, is flatly and unequivocally wrong, with no basis in Christianity whatsoever.

The idea that the church should dole out charity to people based on how 'good' they are was invented by petty people who think the church is there to serve them, as a tool for them to use to enforce morality. It is not. The church is a tool of God, and, just as importantly, we are forbidden to make moral judgments and assign them to God.

Marian Neudel
October 10, 2007 4:23 PM

I find it very strange that crunchies are always worrying about curtailed childbearing leading to fewer workers in the next generation, at the same time that they complain bitterly about profuse immigration, which is the obvious solution to the problem.

Marian Neudel
October 10, 2007 4:28 PM

There are scads of people south of the border who would love a chance to support our elders, as long as they can earn enough to support their own at the same time. We have just decided they are the Wrong Sort of People.

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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