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Bible Girl's Race & Religion Quiz

Friday September 7, 2007

Categories: Religion (general)

As regular readers of Julie "Bible Girl" Lyons' column know, she is a white Pentecostal who attends a predominantly black church here in Dallas. Race and religion -- the topic is a big deal to her. In this week's Bible Girl entry, Julie turns over her column in part to Renea Overstreet, a black law student who writes with real honesty about how uncomfortable she feels at white churches. Excerpt from Renea:

Finally I thought I'd found a place to call home. It has almost everything I ever wanted in a church: accountability in leadership; awesome children and teen ministries; small groups; great music; sincere, meaningful corporate worship; and, most important, very sound biblical teaching and preaching.

So what was my problem? What stopped me from making that place my spiritual home?

I am chagrined to admit that my problem was that most of the people did not look like me. It is annoying to acknowledge that because of the social and political impact of racism in this country, I have a problem being in a ministry under white leadership where most of the people are white. My understanding of the history of slavery, racism and the long struggle for justice is likely causing me to miss out on enriching experiences.

Even in the midst of a wonderful worship experience, my mind was bombarded with questions from history, voices from the struggle. Did I somehow think the white man’s ice was cooler? Why couldn’t I find a church under African-American leadership that offered all the same things?

My heart’s response: Why couldn’t I just become a member of that wonderful church and forget about race? Did I need them to publicly denounce the history that makes Sunday morning the most segregated time in America?

I wanted to follow my heart. I knew, however, that if I took that leap, I would feel this strange, ironic sense of guilt, as if I had given up the struggle and sold out. As if I had betrayed my “people” and gone over to the other side. As if I thought a white church is better than a black church. Most of all, I would feel like I was depriving a black church of my support (time, talent and treasure) and lending help to a ministry that didn’t really need it. So I found a black church and tried to make it home.

Once upon a time I would have dismissed this as evidence of racism. Renea admittedly doesn't want to be in an otherwise great church simply because the congregation is predominantly white. If that's not racist, what is? But I don't think life is that simple. We bring our entire selves into church on Sunday morning, including our histories. In an ideal world, we'd all live as if there were no black, no white, no Jew, nor Greek -- that all are one in Christ. But we have to let God work with what we have. Is it really right of us to expect that Renea Overstreet should have to deal with all that racial guilt every Sunday in church? Maybe God needs her to deal with that. Maybe, though, it was such a big deal for her, for private reasons, that her calling really was to a predominantly black church. She's ambivalent about her decision, and leaves open the possibility of changing her mind. I admire her willingness to write honestly about this.

I don't think the answer is obvious, or the same for every person. I wonder, though, if I would have been as understanding were Renea Overstreet white, and had said she found the ideal church -- but it was predominantly black, and that made her uncomfortable.

Anyway, after Renea's essay, Bible Girl comes back with her own quiz about race and religion. I'm going to reproduce it here, with my answers after the jump. I urge you to visit Bible Girl's column to read the whole thing. And I hope in my comboxes (as well as hers) you'll post your own answers. This is a quiz that'smore geared toward Evangelicals, so I'm not going to be able to answer all the questions, and neither will many Crunchy Con readers. Still, let's try, shall we?


The Big, Happy Family Quiz

1. How, in your opinion, are people of different ethnicities and cultures treated in your church?

2. Among the few congregations in the area that are ethnically mixed, how many offer worship and preaching that are unabashedly ethnic in flavor?

3. Do you think most American evangelicals who undertake missions to developing countries assume they're offering a superior version of doctrine and morality?

4. How would you respond if a Nigerian pastor came to stay at your house, and he was deeply grieved that you allowed your child to play with toy snakes--when snakes, in his culture, symbolize an evil spirit characterized by extreme manipulation? (As you've probably guessed, this actually happened to me.)

5. How many close Christian friends do you have from different cultural backgrounds? Close Christian friend defined: You love them. You can be open about disagreements, instead of brushing them aside. You call them for counsel, and you take their advice with the utmost seriousness. You ask them to pray for you. You can entrust them with a confidence about yourself.

6. Can you name a preacher or Bible teacher of a different ethnicity from your own whose ministry you follow closely?

7. Is abortion a more important moral issue than racial reconciliation?

8. Do you think most white evangelicals are sincerely interested in racial reconciliation, though they might not know how to go about it?

9. In your view, are most white evangelicals willing to submit to black church leadership?

10. Have you ever seen a need to repent of your prejudice to Jesus Christ?

And last, if you will, what is your racial/ethnic background?

Rod's answers

1. How, in your opinion, are people of different ethnicities and cultures treated in your church?

In our relatively small Orthodox parish, about a third of the worshipers are ethnic Russians. We have two African-Americans, and several Hispanics. Everybody seems to get along, though I do wonder at times how superficial it is. The Russians whose first language is Russian tend to congregate with each other at coffee hour, and speak Russian. I don't blame them -- this is the only time in the week where some of these folks get to see each other. I'm told that before we arrived at the parish, there was a large contingent of Ethiopian Orthodox, but when they established their own Ethiopian parish, they left. There is a beautiful young black woman at our parish, and she is quiet and almost aloof. I've long assumed that she was African, and didn't speak good English, so I've been too timid about talking to her. I found out a couple of weeks ago that her name is Wanda, and she's a (shy) convert from Tennessee! I introduced myself last week, and we had a good laugh over that.

2. Among the few congregations in the area that are ethnically mixed, how many offer worship and preaching that are unabashedly ethnic in flavor?

I wouldn't know.

3. Do you think most American evangelicals who undertake missions to developing countries assume they're offering a superior version of doctrine and morality?

Don't know.

4. How would you respond if a Nigerian pastor came to stay at your house, and he was deeply grieved that you allowed your child to play with toy snakes--when snakes, in his culture, symbolize an evil spirit characterized by extreme manipulation? (As you've probably guessed, this actually happened to me.)

I would have my children put the toy away out of courtesy to the guest, and apologize for upsetting him. And then I would ask him what his experiences have been with that taboo -- to explain it to me.

5. How many close Christian friends do you have from different cultural backgrounds? Close Christian friend defined: You love them. You can be open about disagreements, instead of brushing them aside. You call them for counsel, and you take their advice with the utmost seriousness. You ask them to pray for you. You can entrust them with a confidence about yourself.

Hmm. I can think of only one. Interesting...

6. Can you name a preacher or Bible teacher of a different ethnicity from your own whose ministry you follow closely?

No, though I am curious about the African Anglicans. But I don't follow them closely. A Nigerian Anglican bishop is coming to Dallas later this month, and I've made plans to go hear him preach and (with any luck) to meet him and interview him.

7. Is abortion a more important moral issue than racial reconciliation?

Yes, because it's a matter of life and death. But I think I see Bible Girl's point: so many of us conservative Christians focus all, or nearly all, of our concern about social morality on abortion. I can't say that what she calls "racial reconciliation" much occurs to me in context of applying my Christianity to social questions.

8. Do you think most white evangelicals are sincerely interested in racial reconciliation, though they might not know how to go about it?

Can't speak for Evangelicals, or frankly for white people in general. My suspicion is that there are a lot of us who are interested in this sort of thing -- I am -- but avoid it because it's like walking through a minefield. One doesn't want to be misunderstood or thought badly of for saying the "wrong" thing, or holding the "wrong" opinion. One reason I really admire Renea Overstreet for writing what she did is that if I'd felt that way, I'd be afraid to say so, for fear people would think me racist. I think many whites are afraid to make themselves vulnerable, for fear of being harshly judged, and/or out of anticipation that an exercise in racial reconciliation would end up being a one-way street -- that is, black Christians telling white Christians why the whites are rotten sinners, and the whites being expected to sit there feeling guilty and apologizing, but not saying what's really on their minds.

Alas for us all, it's just a lot easier to be quiet and stay on your own side of the street, so to speak.

9. In your view, are most white evangelicals willing to submit to black church leadership?

Again, I wouldn't know. I find the eager submission of so many conservative Episcopalians to black church leadership fascinating, and encouraging. Were I Episcopalian, I gladly would.

10. Have you ever seen a need to repent of your prejudice to Jesus Christ?

Yes.

And last, if you will, what is your racial/ethnic background?

White, northern European.

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bd_rucker
September 8, 2007 2:59 PM

1. How, in your opinion, are people of different ethnicities and cultures treated in your church?

I think they're treated just as fairly as anybody else. My congregation is majority black (I abhor the term 'African American) with a smattering of latino and white. Among the white folks, it's evenly split between people married to black parishioners and those who come with their own white family members.

One white woman at our church, one of the deacons, said she felt discriminated against because of her color. Not to discount her experiences, but I think that some of her feelings can be attributed to her being an 'outsider' (didn't grow up in this small town) and is perhaps conflating some of that with racial prejudice. People like myself who came to the church from other geographical locations are generally not included in a lot of the extra-curricular socializing that goes such as picnics and things. I don't take it personally though, it's just that small-town mentality coming into play. The bulk of my church is made up of two large, extended families who have known each other for generations.

2. Among the few congregations in the area that are ethnically mixed, how many offer worship and preaching that are unabashedly ethnic in flavor?

Not sure, as I haven't really visited many other churches. When we fellowship with other churches it is mostly with other black Baptist churches, and two other Baptist that have mostly white congregations whose pastors are close with our pastor.

3. Do you think most American evangelicals who undertake missions to developing countries assume they're offering a superior version of doctrine and morality?

I think that's true of most missionaries, otherwise they wouldn't be in that line of work, no?

4. How would you respond if a Nigerian pastor came to stay at your house, and he was deeply grieved that you allowed your child to play with toy snakes--when snakes, in his culture, symbolize an evil spirit characterized by extreme manipulation? (As you've probably guessed, this actually happened to me.)

I would have the children put the toys away and then apologize to the pastor for being offended, but I would not apologize for my own belief that snake toys are pretty benign on the scale of things. Such things often happen when you spend time with people of other cultures. I've lived in other countries and such situations are pretty impossible to avoid and best handled with grace.

5. How many close Christian friends do you have from different cultural backgrounds? Close Christian friend defined: You love them. You can be open about disagreements, instead of brushing them aside. You call them for counsel, and you take their advice with the utmost seriousness. You ask them to pray for you. You can entrust them with a confidence about yourself.

No, but that's mostly because I tend to keep my cards very close to my chest, meaning, I don't make close friends too easily. I have a couple of very close friends from childhood (one white, one Indian) but both are what you call "secular humanists" which is what I used to be until a few years back when I converted to Christianity. I am not as quick to let people in as I was when I was younger. This is probably something I should work on.

6. Can you name a preacher or Bible teacher of a different ethnicity from your own whose ministry you follow closely?

I do like this one white pastor who comes to our church often to preach and sometimes we go to his (mostly white) church. Other than that I would have to expand the idea of "Bible teacher" to Christian writers who've greatly inspired me, everything from C.S. Lewis to Thomas Merton to some of the writings of the Desert Fathers.

7. Is abortion a more important moral issue than racial reconciliation?

They are both very important.

8. Do you think most white evangelicals are sincerely interested in racial reconciliation, though they might not know how to go about it?

I'm not sure. I do know that the "white guilt" thing often gets in the way with a lot of white people despite their good intentions. They are always bending over backwards to accomodate you in contrived, obvious ways that it's hard to feel like you're on equal footing. Always so careful to not offend that you end up feeling less like a human being and more like a cause or some weird psychological compensator, acutely conscious of your 'otherness.'

Likewise, the residual grudges and distrust a lot of black folks have towards whites also gets in the way. Racism has left a lot of scars on all sides, particularly with respect to black/white relations.

9. In your view, are most white evangelicals willing to submit to black church leadership?

I don't have much experience with this so I really can't say. In my own church, I would say that the few white people who are there readily submit to black leadership.

10. Have you ever seen a need to repent of your prejudice to Jesus Christ?

Oh yes. I can honestly say that I really had no animosity towards any racial group until my 20s, when I went out in the world and began to experience things. Now when prejudice arises in my heart I sincerely pray to have such feelings taken away from me. Lately I have been feeling resentful towards some Latinos. We have a lot of illegal aliens in my town and a lot of the young ones are in gangs and are openly hostile towards blacks. Some of them curse at my son, who is 11, for instance, when he happens to pass them on the sidewalk just minding his own business.

These feelings are new for me because I grew up in a black/Puerto Rican neighborhood and was used to having friends of that ethncity. I also have some animosity towards whites at times. Having these feelings are working to overcome them has been very humbling for me, and has given me more insight into the nature of prejudice.

I have sometimes longed for a more liturgy-based church experience but feel my options are limited for cultural and racial reasons. There is one Orthodox church in my town but it is mostly Russians who attend. The Episcipal church is too liberal for my taste, and since I have been divorced (first husband walked out on us when our son was two) I am disqualified from being Catholic, without going through the whole process. I think I would be uncomfortable attending an all-white church, to be quite frank. A truly diverse church would be great, but I haven't seen such a thing outside of NYC.

I am black American, with ancestry from West Africa mainly but also lots of Irish on both sides of my family (the earliest ancestors I can trace to colonial times were a female Irish indentured servant and a free black in Virginia) and also have Seminole Indian on my dad's side. That makes me a quintessential American mutt. :-)

Bill H
September 8, 2007 4:28 PM

1) How, in your opinion, are people of different ethnicities and cultures treated in your church?

We have people from quite a few different ethnic backgrounds (I think an informal poll of the parish once came up with something like 20 different countries that various parishioners were born in) and for the most part, I think that they're incorporated into the life of the parish well. We probably have considerably more black families than most other Catholic churches that I've been to. The one thing that I do notice, is that they tend to be active in some of the liturgical activities (lector, EMHC, choir, etc.) but not as much in the social ones. I haven't been in the parish very long, so my impression may be superficial. The glaring exception, which is probably true in most American Catholic parishes nowadays, is that the Spanish-speakers get segregated into their own mass, and I haven't the slightest idea what goes on with them or who any of them are.

2) Among the few congregations in the area that are ethnically mixed, how many offer worship and preaching that are unabashedly ethnic in flavor?

Have to admit that I've got no idea on this one.

3) Do you think most American evangelicals who undertake missions to developing countries assume they're offering a superior version of doctrine and morality?

I would assume that would be the point of mission work, unless it's of the purely charitable kind. But I don't know enough American evangelicals who do this sort of thing to have a strong opinion about it.

4) How would you respond if a Nigerian pastor came to stay at your house, and he was deeply grieved that you allowed your child to play with toy snakes--when snakes, in his culture, symbolize an evil spirit characterized by extreme manipulation?

I'd probably put them away for the duration of his stay as a matter of courtesy. If I were daring, I'd try to have a conversation to flesh out our respective views on the subject.

5. How many close Christian friends do you have from different cultural backgrounds? Close Christian friend defined: You love them. You can be open about disagreements, instead of brushing them aside. You call them for counsel, and you take their advice with the utmost seriousness. You ask them to pray for you. You can entrust them with a confidence about yourself.

I can think of several off the top of my head. Granted, with a couple of exceptions, I think that most of them are from European cultures, but if the question is cultural and not racial...

6) Can you name a preacher or Bible teacher of a different ethnicity from your own whose ministry you follow closely?

I'm ethically German, so I guess the Pope doesn't count. I like Cardinal Arinze a lot, and used to listen to his podcast on a regular basis.

7) Is abortion a more important moral issue than racial reconciliation?

I think I'd have to say ditto to what Rod said.

8) Do you think most white evangelicals are sincerely interested in racial reconciliation, though they might not know how to go about it?

I feel uncomfortable generalizing about white evangelicals, since I'm not one. But if we say white Americans in general, I'd probably say that most of them want to feel good about themselves and are thus superficially interested, but either a) aren't interested in doing heavy lifting in this area or b) aren't introspective enough to see where there's a problem.

9. In your view, are most white evangelicals willing to submit to black church leadership?

Don't know. My experience with two black Catholic priests is that a lot of Catholics are willing to say a priest is a priest and how submissive you are to them is largely determined by your attitude towards the priesthood in general.

10) Have you ever seen a need to repent of your prejudice to Jesus Christ?

Sure.

Caroline
September 8, 2007 5:15 PM

Catholics, and I am one, should have the least difficulty with varying ethnicities. It's a thrill to see people of all ages, colors, and economic situations standing together in the Communion line. The problem amongst Catholics in the USA is language, not for the social hour but for the Mass itself. To some extent this is due to the priest shortage. More and more we have non-native priests who while they can offer valid Masses in incomprehensible English, are unable to preach in comprehensible English to English speaking natives of the USA. And often I wonder if their incomprehensible English with the Hispanic accent or the Chinese accent makes them any more comprehensible to the native Spanish or Mandarin or Cantonese speaker than to the native English speaker. One can deal with the Gospel reading because one already has a clue, but the homily is another story. So often in San Francisco I am forced to tune out and study the windows and the church decor during the homily like any medieval peasant, despite two college degrees.

And the pity of it is that if the Catholic Church in the USA were willing to invest in speech training, speech correction, accent improvement for its clergy, this problem of incomprehensible proclamation of the very Word of God could be taken care of. My Fair Lady is not a myth. But too many people in the hierarchy and, no doubt, some of the laity too think the accents are cute or charming or beguiling to the ethnic groups. Or just pander.

If the priests offered Mass only in Spanish or Mandarin or Cantonese or whatever the favored language of the community, that would be fine. The rest of us, non speakers of that language, could accept it and read our missals just as we did in the olden days with Latin. But now we have English liturgy and much more to the point, English homilies, which are too often so overladen with accents that no one really understands what the priest is saying. We don't get the instruction we need from the pulpit because we don't understand what the priest is saying because his foreign accent obscures his meaning. And sometimes one can see that the poor guy really worked on his homily and is really sweating to deliver it in this g-ded English but still it is incomprehensible.

Gil Garza
September 10, 2007 6:58 PM

1. People are treated with dignity in my parish.

2. All churches are ethnically mixed to some degree by definition. White European-Americans are a highly diverse ethnos. The presupposition that white folks aren't ethnic is silly. Is there some magic mix of brown or black people in a congregation that makes it more acceptable? Is white guilt comforted by our presence in the sanctuary?

3. Yes, because American missionaries do offer a superior values system. American values, enshrined in our founding documents, propelled our backwater colony to become the most powerful force for good and influential country our planet has ever known in the course of a mere 250 years.

4. I would use the teaching moment to explain to my superstitious guest the meaning of 1 Tim 4:7.

5. All of my close friends come from different cultural backgrounds.

6. My pastor is Anglo-American. I am Hispanic. Bingo.

7. Preventing death has priority over warm feelings and singing "Ebony and Ivory" (as good as that may be, in perfect harmony). Duh.

8. In my view, American Evangelicalism has been at the forefront of racial integration and diversity. The template that uses some preselected quota of brown/black folks in a congregation as a measure of "diversity" is flawed.

9. Of course.

10. Pre-judgement can be a flaw, so yes.

My "race:" Caucasian. Ethnicity: American Hispanic.

Ariel
October 25, 2007 5:52 PM

1. How, in your opinion, are people of different ethnicities and cultures treated in your church?
my church is predominately white- I live in the north georgia mountains and there arent many people of other races at all. I really cant understand why, i think its just a comfort thing, maybe no one wants to jump in first.

2. Among the few congregations in the area that are ethnically mixed, how many offer worship and preaching that are unabashedly ethnic in flavor?
A friend of mine invited me to her church a few months ago. I went to a youth group meeting, which was four hours long. There was a humongous youth group (about 35) of just 14-17 year olds. That gives an idea of the size of the church. Out of the 150 or so people there at the time, I was the only white person. Everyone else was korean, and the pastor preached in korean. It was translated, of course. I felt preety uncomfortable, even though everyone was aboundingly nice.

3. Do you think most American evangelicals who undertake missions to developing countries assume they're offering a superior version of doctrine and morality?
Yes, unfortunately they act narrow mindedly in belief that they are better. Personally, I believe missinaries from neighboring countries of the same ethnicity who can speak the language are best. Its unfortunate, but the ones being preached to will listen best to a familiar culture.

4. How would you respond if a Nigerian pastor came to stay at your house, and he was deeply grieved that you allowed your child to play with toy snakes--when snakes, in his culture, symbolize an evil spirit characterized by extreme manipulation? (As you've probably guessed, this actually happened to me.)
I have no idea. All i know is i've always wanted a pet snake. But this makes me think again about snakes, I have no idea what i would do about that...... I think he might have been right in a certain light, but i mean, garden snakes are nothing to be afraid of. I am nothing but a fool, i dont know.

5. How many close Christian friends do you have from different cultural backgrounds? Close Christian friend defined: You love them. You can be open about disagreements, instead of brushing them aside. You call them for counsel, and you take their advice with the utmost seriousness. You ask them to pray for you. You can entrust them with a confidence about yourself.
None! I've tried and tried to find good christian friends, even white oneS! But apparently a north georgia high school with 96% whites doesnt create the environment for christian kids. Many say they are christians, but none of them are. It makes me so sad, I can get depressed just watching them all... well sin so much and have such disregard for any scrap of knowledge or wisdom.

6. Can you name a preacher or Bible teacher of a different ethnicity from your own whose ministry you follow closely?
No, they are all white.

7. Is abortion a more important moral issue than racial reconciliation?
I would say they are about equal, but much less has been said about the racial reconciliation.

8. Do you think most white evangelicals are sincerely interested in racial reconciliation, though they might not know how to go about it?
No, none of my friends who go to church even notice.

9. In your view, are most white evangelicals willing to submit to black church leadership?
yes, I think so

10. Have you ever seen a need to repent of your prejudice to Jesus Christ?
Yes! I seen to subconciously judge everyone, it is a huge problem of mine. But one day, that one glorious day when I die, It wont happen anymore. I live off of that.

And last, if you will, what is your racial/ethnic background
I am white non-denominational, in highschool, purely read the bible and do it. My area of the state is 96% white (north georgia) and purely christian with a few muslims and others.

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