Crunchy Con

Cultural history is written by dissenters

Saturday September 15, 2007

Categories: Culture
I've mentioned recently Alan Ehrenhalt's 1995 book "The Lost City: The Forgotten Virtues of Community in America," which is about Chicago in the 1950s, but generally about what it was like to live in community in America in those days....
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Franklin Evans
September 15, 2007 1:52 PM

One answer, Rod, is already obvious to you: because people don't want to read about happy times; if a book or movie starts out about happy times, the reader/viewer chafes with wondering when the good stuff will start. Tales of childhood bliss can't compete with catastrophe and the heroic recovery.

My subjective take is that our memories of drama are more vivid than those of happiness. I can visualize now, 38 years later, many of the events over the months that culminated in the divorce of my parents; I can remember only with significant effort the hours I spent tending our vegetable garden, something about which I do vividly remember being very proud, and during which I felt a peace and spiritual fulfillment whose value only later in life did I recognize.

I believe that empathy is a natural human trait. There is a list of pressures to suppress or abandon this ability, one that varies from culture to culture, but it leaves us hungry for the storyteller who adeptly and vividly draws us into hir story, inside hir mind and heart. But even the best storyteller relates characters and events that grab our imaginations, and conflict is the core of that.

Brad
September 15, 2007 2:16 PM

"Why does our intellectual culture privilege my kind of experience over hers?"

Because yours carves the experience of discontent against the background of contentment, or dissent against the background of assent, in bas relief, and hers, by definition, does not.

Margaret
September 15, 2007 2:24 PM

I agree with you, Franklin, that conflict (i.e. catastrophe and the heroic recovery) is the natural stuff of great literature. We all long to meet that character with whom we can identify in our secret hearts, the protagonist who throws off the shackles of whatever it is WE'RE longing to throw off, emerging like some brave, beautiful butterfly to whom the normal rules don't apply, soaring above all the other lumpen, banal characters in the story. But as I've grown older (I'm 42), I find myself more drawn to books that give me deep-thinking, deep-feeling, flesh-and-blood characters who, albeit, chafe at social restrictions (because what thinking, feeling person doesn't?) but ultimately settle into a state of contentment while still honoring those restrictions – not just for the good of society, but for their own good. This is what makes the novels of Jane Austen so satisfying.

Rod, the excerpt above made ME shiver. Thank you for sharing it. You must never sleep!

Erin Manning
September 15, 2007 2:58 PM

Excellent post, Rod; the theme reminds me of Thomas Grey's "Elegy Written in a Country Church-Yard," particularly these lines:

"Far from the madding crowd's ignoble strife,
Their sober wishes never learn'd to stray;
Along the cool sequester'd vale of life
They kept the noiseless tenour of their way."

Why do we prize stories of discontent and restlessness above tales of serenity and peace? Because life is conflict, I think; because even the contented souls know some avenues of discord, whether they choose to travel down them or not. And stories of conflict, anger, pain, resentment, bitterness, and division carry within them the seeds of that hope we all secretly long for: the hope that the spirit will triumph over adversity, however great the scars it will forever after carry.

John E.
September 15, 2007 4:01 PM

I found this on the web. It might be relvant:

All happy families are happy alike, all unhappy families are unhappy in their own way.

So begins Leo Tolstoy's Anna Karenina then follows a story filled with unhappy families. This sentence has stuck in my mind for years; indeed many critics have cited it as the best first sentence in literature. To me this sentence reveals a meta-fact: we can distinguish unhappy people from happy people because unhappy people inspect the reasons for their unhappiness while happy people don't try to understand what makes them happy.

You can find this page at: http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~rbell/HappyFamilies.html

© 1997, Russell Bell

Roberto Rivera
September 15, 2007 6:08 PM

Rod, I'm older than you are (by at least a decade) and I have fond memories of the late fifties and the early sixties and there's a lot I wish we could restore. But there's also a lot I vividly recall and thank God that is no longer true: being called a "spic" nearly every day of my life; the assumption that, as a Puerto Rican, I should be placed on a vocational track even though, forgive the immodesty, my life since then has proven that this assessment got me wrong.

My point, and I have one, is that we shouldn't regard the unhappy folk as articulate misfits -- many of them had perfectly good reasons for being unhappy with the status quo that transcended the merely personal and, in some cases, were grounded in a valid critique of that status quo.

Larry Parker
September 15, 2007 6:28 PM

I grew up in another time of deep, even stultifying conformity that is less recognized than the '50s -- the '80s. I tried to fit into the mold -- I was an honest to goodness Alex P. Keaton (Michael J. Fox's Reagan-loving teen-ager sitcom star) for awhile -- but ultimately found I could not be true to my own ideals in doing so.

Yet I have nostalgia for that time as well -- even as I recognize it was a counterreaction to the '60s and '70s, which for all their tumult also produced desperately needed social change.

Certainly our politics were less nasty two decades ago (and no, I'm not forgetting that for all of Reagan's fans, quite a few thought he was the second coming of Nixon as well). Gordon Gekko's "Greed ... is good" shocked us because it was the exception. Today, it is the rule.

And, when you think about it, the big-haired, leg-warmered Jersey and Valley girls (on their respective coasts) of the '80s weren't that much different in spirit than the bobby-soxers of the '50s.

Is it just the part of human nature that we always want what we can't have? Or is it, instead, that the continuing coarsening and fracturing of culture ("community," I admit, would have been a bit strong to describe the '80s -- it's perhaps more accurate to say that it was the least individualist time of the last 50 years) strains "crunchy libs" and "crunchy cons" alike?

Rod Dreher
September 15, 2007 6:32 PM

Roberto, thanks for that. In the passage I posted, I think Ehrenhalt accounted for the fact that the 1950s were indeed a time of racial prejudice and a conformist social thinking that caused people to suffer unjustly. I think, though, that in that passage and in the essay from which it's taken (which constitutes the first chapter of his book), Ehrenhalt is trying to get at the same general point that the writer Clifton Taulbert did in his "Once Upon a Time...When We Were Colored." That book, set in the segregated South of the 1940s and 1950s, paints a portrait of black communal life that makes the contemporary reader (or viewer: in the 1990s, Tim Reid made an excellent film version of it) squirm. Taulbert shows that despite the racist oppression -- and, one imagines, partly because of it -- black community life flourished. Because they were living in an unjust and cruel society, Taulbert relates, they pulled together for self-defense, psychological and literal. It makes you squirm (well, it made me squirm) because it forced me to confront that our customary way of seeing that era requires that there be little or no good in black social life, that everything was always oppression and misery. Taulbert forces his reader to confront a more complex reality, one that doesn't jibe perfectly with modern sensibilities. In no way does Taulbert excuse the moral wrongs of the day, but he does say that there were some pretty wonderful things about living in community, even in a context of oppression. And that those things are now gone, alas.

After seeing the film, I was reminded of an astonishing piece I once read in the Washington Post when I was living in DC in the early 1990s. It was written by a black staff writer of columnist, can't remember who. He was recounting a recent taxi ride through the District with an older black cabbie who had grown up there. The cabbie lamented the lost world of segregated Washington. In great detail, he recalled all the institutions black Washingtonians lived with that gave shape, order and meaning to their common life, and how it had all gone to hell after the end of segregation. As I recall, the cabbie was by no means pining for a return to segregation. But he was telling his passenger, who was too young to have lived through segregation, that a whole world had once existed under that oppression, and it was a good place to live compared with the oppression of crime, moral chaos and misery that black Washington lives in today. It was such a striking testimony that the Post journalist felt moved to write it down.

I don't think many of the things I identify as problematic about American life, some of which is based on my childhood experiences, are an incorrect or invalid critique. I do think it's important for people like me who do focus much of our work on being critical to pay attention to the stories of people who have lived in the same kinds of situations as we have, and didn't have such a dissonant experience. It's helpful in discerning whether there really were injustices or flawed institutions and customs that need reforming, or whether the greater part of the problem was ... us.

Daniel
September 15, 2007 7:41 PM

i also think Taulbert and the cabbie 'own" that history, because they have their own lives as the context. When people who haven't had that experience attempt to appropriate it to make a point, it falls flat. It's one thing for someone who lived though the segregated 1950s as a black man to have fondness for a simpler time because he has his own life as a context, it is quite another for a white man of any age--but especially a white man who didn't "live' during that period--to wax nostalgic and use Taulbert's theory to justify a simpler time. Unless you are working as an academic compiiling an history as an objective observer, anyone else who attempts to appropriate that story is suspect, especially when they have their own policy motivations.

Rod Dreher
September 15, 2007 7:55 PM

Daniel: It's one thing for someone who lived though the segregated 1950s as a black man to have fondness for a simpler time because he has his own life as a context, it is quite another for a white man of any age--but especially a white man who didn't "live' during that period--to wax nostalgic and use Taulbert's theory to justify a simpler time.

Good grief, Daniel, you have such a one-track ideological mind. It's simply balderdash to say that someone "owns" historical fact and observation by virtue of their ethnicity. What is this crazy idea that people "own" history? Besides, any slightly nuanced reading of my post -- and Alan Ehrenhalt's -- reveals no "nostalgia" per se, but an attempt to explore the complexities of history, historical memory, and the uses to which we put our historical memories. Yet all you can see is, as usual, crude, racist revisionism. The problem with political correctness is not just that it narrowly constricts thought and outlaws irony, paradox and nuance; the problem is not only that p.c. prevents us from trying to discern the truth of things and events; the problem is also that it is terribly, terribly dull.

Daniel
September 15, 2007 8:41 PM

Sorry if i am boring you Rod. My point was simply that it is one thing for an older Black man to tell that story and another thing for someone else to tell that story. An oral history has a context that is missing when repeated, especially when the repeater is trying to use it to make a larger point. it's not political correctness--and is there any more tired taunt than calling something PC?? It's intellectually lazy and tiresome--but merely talking about the context.

By including the context you posted in his opening chapter, Ehrenhalt demonstrates that he understands that context. He is acknowledging it up front. That's what academics do. The challenge for public intellectuals and pundits is that they often use the stories without demonstrating they have the context. It's like Hillary Clinton altering her speech in front of black audiencesl it just sound insincere and shallow.

Rod Dreher
September 15, 2007 9:38 PM

So only a black person can make use of the insights of another black person? Got it. I hope black readers will understand that they are not permitted to analogize from the historical experience of non-black people. Segregated history -- what a delightful and progressive concept.

rthompson
September 15, 2007 11:11 PM

I think it is telling that the community that many of these people yearn for and would love to return to was, in fact, a community that was essentially built to resist some sort of threat of that day.

For example, the older parishioners wishing for a return to the pre-Vatican II days and its comforting familiarity would rather not relive the blatant anti-Catholic prejudice of those days. My father tells stories of some of the pranks he and his friends used to play on the Catholic school kids in the neighborhood, such as picking up fish from the local market and wrapping it in newspapers, and then taking it to the football game (the local public school played the Catholic school once a year...it was a big rivalry) and placing these fish in the back seats of some of the cars in the parking lot...usually the ones with the St. Christopher medallions or statues on the dash. And then there was the whole conversation surround whether or not a Catholic could serve as President.

It is human nature to filter out the bad of our old memories and hold on to the good. It was always better in the old days...just look at the number of Russians who will tell you flat out that it was better under Communism, or the Iraqis who talk about how much better it was for them when Saddam was in power.

Going back to a selectively remembered past is a wonderful journey to take, and it gives people comfort. But just as we must deal with the good and bad of the present, traveling back in time to enjoy the community of the 1950s would also bring back all the bad that was happening then.

It's better to take those positive memories and work to influence present-day society so that the beneficial aspects of the past can help us today. If you want community, build it! Step back from your fast paced life and start talking with neighbors. Hold block parties. Get to know those folks who live in the houses around you.

Don't just sit around and gripe about how bad it is out there.

M_David
September 15, 2007 11:28 PM

What is this crazy idea that people "own" history?...So only a black person can make use of the insights of another black person?

This is an interesting subject all by itself. I would enjoy hearing you explore it on another post, Rod.

My off-the-cuff view is that this "crazy idea" exists because objective truth as the foundation of debate was rejected long ago.

Public school is the seedbed for this sort of thinking. I learned this sort of "history" in school. And in addition schools stifle all the important debates of our time: religion, abortion, culture, race. These things cannot even be talked about, and the truth of any sensitive issue takes a back seat to someone's "feelings".

It is from this environment people develop the audacity to say things like ...it is quite another for a white man of any age... - and actually mean it.

If your point is correct, or even if you just have an interesting idea to kick around, is beside the point. What matters is who you are and what your ideological motive might be.

Anonymous
September 16, 2007 12:49 AM

What standard do you suggest for objective truth when it comes to determining how a time in history "really was?" Stats?

The incomprehensible "critical theory" seems to dictate that there is only context, no truth. That kind of argument underlies the bizarre attitudes of the extreme PC left, resulting among other things in claims of being victims while acting superior about that status.

Still, context does have a place in this conversation. What was true about a period will appear different depending on point of view. Every era is full of contradictions, tensions and undercurrents that are in opposition to purported standards.

Maybe Daniel's concerns derive from valid concerns about appropriating other people's stories in order to confer oneself with authority that is not deserved.

BTW, the few really old women I know prefer their small town childhoods in the 20s and 30s to their adult lives in suburban 1950. They think the country fell apart after the war with too much emphasis on stuff.

reddopto
September 16, 2007 1:16 AM

"Why does our intellectual culture privilege my kind of culture over hers?"

The shortest answer to your query is that we are in the postmodernist era culturally. In the traditionalist or Victorian era, her cultural comments would have been more welcomed than yours. When the modernist culture came into play around 1900, challenges to the old community ways began to arise. Science came to be respected over community mores. "You can't stop progress," they used to say.

With the advent of postmodernism, which started with the Marxist critique of our bourgeois communities like Chicago, the "you can't stop progress" motto became an anathema in intellectual circles. Redefining history is a key component to postmodernism, and, to tell the truth, every extant historical perspective has always been horribly biased toward the views of those in control. Somebody has always owned history, and expropriations of it occur daily.

The Mechanical Eye
September 16, 2007 1:50 AM

I don't think Daniel's point is somehow "PC" or ideologically rigid -- his point is that the context of someone relating pre-segregation days is different between a black man who lived during the age telling his story and a white person relating it. This is partially why the term "black pride" isn't as sinister-sounding as "white pride" is to the average ear.

Having said that, Rod's post is interesting in and of itself -- adversity has a sharpening effect on both individuals and communities, and so it must have been with the black communities of the South. It's easy to mistake this for nostalgia of the worst sort, but it has the ring of truth -- people want to remember the best of an awful situation, and the community strength described in these stories is the same story of any persecuted minority living in hostile times.

Finally, in my personal journey from right to left, it's my duty to report back to the old base camp that the tired cliche that "the left" has a PC mentality and doesn't believe in objective truth is largely a myth. This has a largely waning hold on a few university campuses, but the era of the Politically Correct in education peaked in the 90s.

There may be one era and one set of facts, but how those facts play out have different meanings based on who you are. Far from being "rigid," this frees the mind to see more than one perspective. It shouldn't be "PC" to point this out.

DU

Margaret
September 16, 2007 6:50 AM

Mechanical Eye,

As someone who's been a personal journey from left to right over the past couple of years, I'm just curious about what it is that has us "crossing paths." What set you on your course toward liberalism? Was it the war? The whole Bush administration nightmare? If so, it's certainly understandable. My move rightward has been predicated, I think, mainly on the left's "PC mentality," which in my experience is NOT a myth, along with the moral relativism, sexual permissiveness, and "victim culture" I believe are perpetuated by liberalism. I live in a college town and work in publishing. Most of my friends are liberals. I'm not making this stuff up or just parroting what I read; I see it firsthand.

Please don't think I'm disparaging you or your journey. (I've gotten enough abuse since I've been on mine. I'd never do it to someone else – not even a stranger on a blog!) I'm just sincerely curious about what makes people "cross over," politically speaking. I am 42 years old, and I think my journey really started about six years ago, after I had my daughter.

Rod, you've probably already explored this (I'm new here) but it might be an interesting topic for discussion – What sends people from right to left, and vice versa?

Rod Dreher
September 16, 2007 7:55 AM

Look, all I'm saying is that the underlying point of Cliff Taulbert's observations -- that despite oppression, a real community flourished among black folks of the 1940s and 1950s, and there were good things about that community that shouldn't be dismissed, especially because those things have largely disappeared in the post-1960s environment -- is consonant with Ehrenhalt's observations. I reject as politically correct and racist the idea that making this connection is disallowed if the person who notices the similarities is white. Both Taulbert and Ehrenhalt invite us to think more deeply about the paradoxes and nuances of history, and I fail to see why that is a bad thing, or disallowed to anybody by virtue of the color of their skin.

Franklin Evans
September 16, 2007 10:04 AM

Rod, while it is true that there is a perspective clash here, which Daniel seems to embody (and I mean that as a neutral observation), he has important and valid points to make. Forgive me for a possibly arrogant attempt to educate you in them.

My early (and middle) adult social life was centered on the international folk dance phenomenon. It started in the post-WWII attempts by the nascent Iron Curtain countries to find ways to reconnect with the "free" west in ways that didn't set off the paranoid Soviet alarm bells. Cultural exchange was the name of that game, and ethnomusicologists in the 50s made many trips to and fro, bringing a bit of ethnic culture back to college campuses.

It evolved into such groups as the Duquesne Tamburitzans (whom you may have heard of and even seen), Aman in California, and most recently with "Les Voix Mysteres des Bulgares", a women's choir from Bulgaria that's toured Europe and the US more than once.

In the meantime, a strengthening and ongoing debate has raged, summarized as follows: what is strictly accurate ethnic, and what is mongrel, hybrid pseudo hyphenated ethnic-American. I belong to an email list that goes round this debate on a regular basis.

So, who owns the ethnic culture? Who owns the traditions and history that went into making that culture? After decades of performance veneer, choreography calling itself "folk" or "village", the replacement of village instruments with accordions, clarinets and electric guitars, what is real and what is stolen?

The black DC taxi driver knows the answer to that instinctively. It's not who can and cannot appreciate the history; nor is it about a possibly unjustified claim of sympathy or sympatico. It's about living and breathing, about the living memory that is lost even to the children of those who suffered the events behind the memory. It's about knowing something from the inside, a distinction that can be at once so subtle as to escape notice, and so profound as to escape the capacity of words to express.

I can, in some small ways, understand the feelings of blacks, being the son of a Holocaust survivor. I can, also, understand their perspective, because no non-Jew can really claim sympathy with my heritage without having had something similar in it in their heritage (Native Americans, the Rom and the Armenians come to mind, as examples).

You do not have to accept claims that you don't understand or can't sympathize. Any rational, feeling human being is capable of that, and some (like you) more than most makes an effort at it. I urge you to ignore the accusational aspects. But don't discount the energy and importance of living memory, and the superficial "borrowings" that enter into pop culture like shavings from a great sculpture, claiming to be just like the original.

Daniel
September 16, 2007 11:43 AM

'I reject as politically correct and racist the idea that making this connection is disallowed if the person who notices the similarities is white."

The fact its is labelled as PC and racist is probably all the rationale necessary to show why it is difficult for white people to try to use these stories to make a larger point. Of course, white people can use these strories to make a larger point. It all depends on the starting point and their ultimate motivations. if you preface it, like Ehrenhalt does, by acknowledging there was deep, painful segregations and racism--and, btw, THAT's racism--yet there was community, that's one thing. But if one says, "Even Blacks saw a better community life in the 1950s" without first acknowledging Jim Crow America, it is just suspect.

Larry Parker
September 16, 2007 1:37 PM

Ya know, if we'd have just mentioned two words here -- MOYNIHAN REPORT -- a lot of the misunderstandings could have been avoided, IMHO. While it was criticized at the time, the Moynihan Report illustrated well that while civil rights were an essential part of the American commitment to African-Americans, there were simultaneously negative social trends that needed to be combatted (but sadly, weren't).

As for the other question of how one goes from right to left ... I think my childhood admiration for Reagan, besides being somewhat fashionable at the time (not in my town, though, which was Democratic), was seeing someone strong and standing up for America after an era of seeing Nixon, Ford and Carter -- corrupt or at least weak men all -- on my early childhood TV sets.

But I came to realize that "standing up for America" does not have to be ideological (i.e., conservative) in nature; and indeed that many of America's most cherished values, despite the slur the name is today, are liberal. Civil liberties; opportunity (not guarantees, but opportunity) for all; the diversity and integration of the cities as opposed to the sameness and segregation of the 'burbs (in the '80s; no longer true today for the most part).

A big part of my "education" was just that -- going to a Jesuit university (this will horrify Rod, I know) and learning first hand from both compassionate priests to the political and theological left, and angry, crotchety ones from the political and theological right. (One of the latter tried but failed to throw me out of school on a trumped-up plagiarism charge, once he realized I did not agree with him politically.) And if priests themselves could doubt Catholic doctrine, particularly on sexual matters, why couldn't I? (BTW, there were "PCers" on campus, both students and professors, no question; but most of this, IMHO, was the genuine intellectual exploration for which colleges are supposed to provide a forum.)

It didn't mean that I ran out after graduation and became a libertine. I was tired of my own binge drinking in college and became a teetotaler. Many of my friends joke with me today how square I am. Heck, I got married to a Republican. (The Alex P. Keaton part of me never entirely left.) That could be why I still considered myself a political moderate through most of the '90s.

The impeachment hysteria; a nasty divorce from said Republican; a serious (and chronic) personal illness; Bush v. Gore; the twisted response of Bush and Rove from the possibility of a unified nation after 9/11 to striving for a "51% nation" instead; the Iraq War; some extended periods of unemployment in a brutal job market (including now; "tax cuts" as the solution to all economic ills are useless to someone whose income is zero) -- all THAT, as you correctly guess, is what finally made me proud to call myself a liberal.

Roberto Rivera
September 16, 2007 3:18 PM

The Crunchy One: Look, all I'm saying is that the underlying point of Cliff Taulbert's observations -- that despite oppression, a real community flourished among black folks of the 1940s and 1950s, and there were good things about that community that shouldn't be dismissed, especially because those things have largely disappeared in the post-1960s environment -- is consonant with Ehrenhalt's observations.

As it happens, I'm in the midst of reading Taylor Branch's magisterial history of the Civil Rights era, "Parting the Waters" and "Pillar of Fire." Branch's description of Black America in the South is in keeping with Taulbert's observations: communities that had taken the crumbs that the White majority had left them and, heroically in many instances, made the best of the (bad) situation.

The irony, shame, paradox, whatever term you prefer, of the situation was that this very adaptation inured many people to what was, by any reasonable standard, an unacceptable status quo. They had worked so hard to turn the crumbs into a casserole that they resented and resisted any attempts to achieve the equality that they were due as Americans. Much of Martin Luther King's efforts were expended arguing with a Black bourgeoisie that confused their relative prosperity and status with the greater good.

The older folks mentioned in this comment thread have good reason to look back with fondness: one of the unintended consequences of the civil rights gains of the 1960s and 70s was that the Black middle class was able to escape the "townships" to which Jim Crow had assigned them. Great for them! Really! But it left behind Black neighborhood were familial dysfunction and the accompanying social pathologies became the norm.

ds0490
September 17, 2007 12:31 AM

To be honest, one of the reasons that there was a dynamic community mentality in Black America of the 50s is BECAUSE there was racial prejudice and violence happening. This is a natural human response to adversity. Look back at the early Christian church. There was a wonderful amount of support provided for each of the members of that church. Widows and orphans were taken care of, as were the sick and handicapped. Food, clothing, housing, and all of the necessities of life were shared in these communities. People loved each other, prayed for each other, and supported each other...even when one of the community members was imprisoned.

Again, look at the church under Communist rule in the USSR. The same kind of community developed. Likewise in China, as well as many African nations that are suffering drought, war and famine (and now floods).

These were strong and vibrant communities where real support was offered. Why? Because the members of the community knew that they could not receive it elsewhere, and certainly not from the majority of the people on the "outside."

Longing for community is natural. We are communal people, Rod, and even in our modern time we build communities through our church, schools, place of employment, and now online.

It's not surprising that people who experienced this sense of community look back upon that time with some sadness at the loss of that loving support. But, ask any of them if they would willingly go back to that time and accept the reason for the existence of that community, and I'm willing to bet you will find few, if any, who would take the bad with the good.

The Mechanical Eye
September 17, 2007 1:13 AM

What set you on your course toward liberalism? Was it the war? The whole Bush administration nightmare? If so, it's certainly understandable.

I'd say Katrina began my second thoughts, which made me question every cherished notion I once held about conservatives and Republicans -- namely that we were the adults of the political spectrum. "Adultlike" is not how I'd describe Bush's first reactions, and the federal government's reaction was an enlightening moment. What also set me off was not the ideals of a Burkean mindset against false "progress," but how how quickly the Glenn Becks of the world ignored that in mindlessly continue support a monstrously ill-conceived war.

For an ideology that boasts of its inherent skepticism of progress and power, most of its self-described members were awfully credulous of Bush and are all too willing to disparage his critics as having "Bush Derangement Sydrome." Conservatism, in my eyes, came to resemble what its critics always accused it of being: an intellectual excuse-making exercise for the benefit of traditional holders of power.

I was born in 1981, so had I had this vague understanding that Ronald Reagan was a beloved president. Despite the man's flaws, I continue to admire him and what he did for America. But I don't see anyone even approaching him in today's GOP -- I just see empty opportunists who want to double Gitmo and triple our mess in Iraq.

And, lastly, liberalism, for its flaws, consists of people who actually believe in government -- and are interested in running it well. As P.J. O'Rourke said, Republicans like to talk about how badly run government is, and once elected, prove it. As no less than Greenspan noted, its the GOP that act like deficits don't matter, and it was up to that awful libertine heathen Bil Clinton to wipe it away.

DU

Rob Grano
September 17, 2007 7:24 AM

"Look, all I'm saying is that the underlying point of Cliff Taulbert's observations -- that despite oppression, a real community flourished among black folks of the 1940s and 1950s, and there were good things about that community that shouldn't be dismissed, especially because those things have largely disappeared in the post-1960s environment -- is consonant with Ehrenhalt's observations."

W.E.B DuBois realized that a similar thing had happened to blacks, and to the South in general, after the Civil War and reconstruction, and he expressed some measure of regret that a fair amount of good seemed to have been lost with the bad.

"But, ask any of them if they would willingly go back to that time and accept the reason for the existence of that community, and I'm willing to bet you will find few, if any, who would take the bad with the good."

And this is, it seems, the flip side of what DuBois was getting at. I think that trad-cons and those of the crunchy sort would argue that those good things, in some instances A) didn't need to be lost with the bad, and B) can be restored somewhat. This is what the critics dismiss as nostalgia, but it really isn't that. It's not so much a matter of pining for "the good old days," but realizing that there were some things about those days that were really and truly good.

'Finally, in my personal journey from right to left, it's my duty to report back to the old base camp that the tired cliche that "the left" has a PC mentality and doesn't believe in objective truth is largely a myth. This has a largely waning hold on a few university campuses, but the era of the Politically Correct in education peaked in the 90s.'

I've seen exactly the opposite, especially in the business world. And PC is all the rage in Europe and the UK. I have friends who live there and I hear the horror stories first hand. However if it is waning in U.S. academia that's a good thing.

Rod Dreher
September 17, 2007 11:09 AM

It's not surprising that people who experienced this sense of community look back upon that time with some sadness at the loss of that loving support. But, ask any of them if they would willingly go back to that time and accept the reason for the existence of that community, and I'm willing to bet you will find few, if any, who would take the bad with the good.

I didn't have room (or time) to quote from Ehrenhalt's first chapter as fully as I'd have liked to have done, but this is essentially his point -- that folks today would not accept those bad things again as a condition of getting the good back. Ehrenhalt is not saying that we should. He is saying, though, that we live in a Catch-22: in order to have the good things people want to have out of communal life, they are going to have to give up a significant amount of individual autonomy and accept communal authority that, one way or another, is going to frustrate the desires of some individuals -- and may even be unjust to them. This is true in small things as well as large ones. People love the idea of small-town shops and personal relationships with merchants, but if you are going to have that, you have to be willing to pay higher prices for your goods.

Here's Ehrenhalt:

But the real questions rasied by our journey back to the 1950s ... have nothing to do with Ozzie and Harriet or Leave It To Beaver. They are questions like these: Can we impose some controls on the chaose of individual choice that we have created in the decades since then? Can we develop a majority culture strong enough to tell children that there are inappropriate ways to behave in a high school corridor adn that there are programs that eight-year-olds should not be free to watch on television? Is there a way to relarn the simple truth that there is sine in the world and that part of our job in life is to resist its temptations?

Ehrenhalt says one way to deal with the revolutionary changes of the past generation is to say that life is just like that, that it's always been that way, and that nostalgic illusion for the order of pre-1960s America is false hope. But that is deceptive, he argues:


...Nostalgic illusion does not explain the disappearance of lasting relationships between merchant and customer in the commercial life of a neighborhood or suburb. It does not explain the willingness of profitable corporations to leave the communities that nurtured them in an aimless quest for a higher stock price. Those are genuine changes and genuine losses. What expalins them os our worship of choice. It is true that in the 1950s, traditionalists were already lamenting that the corner grocery store was not what it had been a generation earlier. But that does not argue against the magnitude of what has transpired between the 1950s and the present, or suggest that it is somehow irrational to point out that some of the most important foundations of a stable neighborhood life are now gone.

I_Like_Dragyn
September 17, 2007 11:56 AM

People love the idea of small-town shops and personal relationships with merchants, but if you are going to have that, you have to be willing to pay higher prices for your goods.

But why is that the case? Why can't it be possible to have the personal community while at the same time welcoming into that community those of different races, religions, sexual orientations, etc? Is it not possible that a group of people can understand to trust each other, even if they outwardly appear different? The common feeling of community and trust should be able to transcend that, I believe.

I would have no problem living near a conservative family, nor would I have any problem living near a family of a different religion or skin color, so long as that family accepts the differences and understand that we all seek to have that personal community. Is that really too much to ask?

Hays
September 17, 2007 12:08 PM

Ehrenhalt successfully moves the discussion away from the static argument: "50s were great" vs. "50s just a nostalgial trip."

One does wonder how the 50s sewed the seeds of its own destruction. More attention to that could move the argument and attempts to reconstruct the good aspects of the 50s forward in a productive way.

Underneath discussions of what went wrong and what was right about the 50s we are inevitably drawn back to basic human nature. So much history indicates that we do better at communal living when we are organized to resist an outside threat, including but not limited to hunger, physical adversity or oppression. Remove those and combine with seemingly unlimited access to material possessions far over and above basic survival needs and we end up with baby boomers. They are idealists who, in the case of those on the front lines of all the "revolutions" never faced hunger, war or fear of sleeping under a bridge.

Is our success the seed of our failure?

Anonymous
September 17, 2007 12:19 PM

What is it about the RR and their constant waxing nostalgic over the 50's?

Is it correct that many of the people who go on and on about this era weren't even born?
I just happened to have heard about how there is much material coming out about certain "experiments" that were conducted during the 50's. Really, if you care to delve, it really might not have been such the utopia. And your baby boomers who never slept under a bridge, etc., talk to a few Vietnam vets and see what they experienced.

Just curious.
Heifer

Rod Dreher
September 17, 2007 12:42 PM

What is it about the RR and their constant waxing nostalgic over the 50's?

NOBODY IS WAXING NOSTALGIC OVER THE 1950S! READ WHAT EHRENHALT IS WRITING!

Thanks. Sorry I yelled.

Hays
September 17, 2007 12:53 PM

Vietnam vets did not sleep under bridges in the 1950s.

The point was about childhood experience and how it shaped attitudes. Not everything that came out of the 60s was bad. No one here longs for a return to Jim Crow.

(And that should have been "sowed" the seeds. Sorry.)

Anonymous
September 17, 2007 2:16 PM

Maybe not as children (how much of that magic and beloved era was due in part to the dreaded "New Deal" philosophy) As to Vietnam vets, unfortunately, many Vietnam vets did not fare well under any policy, even with having served and acquiring benefits (if, of course, they survived). Yes, some of them do now sleep under bridges, and some were afflicted with worse than sleeping under bridges during and after and now.

Hays
September 17, 2007 2:32 PM

Point granted! The GI Bill and progressive tax policies of the New Deal had a great deal to do with how well things worked out economically for many families. Also the fact that the US came out of the war with one of the few remaining intact industrial bases and held a unique position in the world for a decade. After "Made in Japan" stopped meaning junk that fell apart as soon as it was paid for or opened, things changed.

Having all those babies one after another stimulated the economy too.

Republican tax policies and economic policies do appear to have caused tremendous damage to families.

Isn't Greenspan hawking a new book about that topic today?

RJohnson
September 17, 2007 5:21 PM

"But that does not argue against the magnitude of what has transpired between the 1950s and the present, or suggest that it is somehow irrational to point out that some of the most important foundations of a stable neighborhood life are now gone."

No, it certainly doesn't. But, the fact that these foundations are gone is a natural outgrowth of a capitalistic system, is it not? Economic choice (demand) drives supply, and as people made the economic choice to buy lower priced goods, business were faced with the reality of either lowering prices or closing their doors. To lower price they either had to demand lower prices from their suppliers or cut their own overhead. Guess which one was easier for them to do?

One of the hallmarks of a community is that all the members of that community have a vested interest in the success of the community. When the owners of businesses in a community are not living in that community they lack the connection necessary to develop that vested interest.

Mom & Pop businesses had that vested interest. They wanted to see the community thrive because that would help keep their business open. People supported local businesses because they saw the owners of that business as members who were interested in the success of the community. They knew them, socialized with them, taught their kids, had them over for dinner, etc. There was connection.

That is what is lacking, and it is a result primarily of our economic choices, not necessarily our moral choices (although an argument could be made that these two are indistinguishable).

Rod Dreher
September 17, 2007 5:57 PM

That is what is lacking, and it is a result primarily of our economic choices, not necessarily our moral choices (although an argument could be made that these two are indistinguishable).

That's Ehrenhalt's larger point -- that the market is very good at satisfying individual choice, and we've evolved into a society that prizes individual choice above other social goods. He finds it puzzling that conservatives cheer unreservedly for the market, but don't notice how the market undermines the social institutions and customs they wish to conserve.

Brad
September 17, 2007 6:09 PM

"That is what is lacking, and it is a result primarily of our economic choices, not necessarily our moral choices (although an argument could be made that these two are indistinguishable).

That's Ehrenhalt's larger point -- that the market is very good at satisfying individual choice, and we've evolved into a society that prizes individual choice above other social goods. He finds it puzzling that conservatives cheer unreservedly for the market, but don't notice how the market undermines the social institutions and customs they wish to conserve."

You will find, Rod, that there is no more individually atomizing, atomized-individual-market-making medium than the Internet.

Never mistake "linkage" for community--and by the same token, for that matter, individuality.

Rob Grano
September 18, 2007 7:17 AM

"That's Ehrenhalt's larger point -- that the market is very good at satisfying individual choice, and we've evolved into a society that prizes individual choice above other social goods. He finds it puzzling that conservatives cheer unreservedly for the market, but don't notice how the market undermines the social institutions and customs they wish to conserve."

As Rod knows, "conservative" critics of the unrestrained market have been saying this for decades, going back even to Southern critiques of the Northern economy in pre-Civil War days, through the Southern Agrarians and English Distributists in the early 20th century, and by more recent writers like Kirk and Roepke. Heck, even Adam Smith's economic thought presupposed a moral foundation to the choices made. The problem is that most contemporary conservatives aren't aware of this line of thought (I wasn't until I read Kirk and the Agrarians a few years back) and it sounds suspicious to them.

SiliconValleySteve
September 18, 2007 1:07 PM

Nobody seems to like to make the point that most Mom and Pop businesses without competition stink. The families that were fortunate and enterprising enough to have the local businesses had the ability to charge more because of a lack of competition. That they then often made contributions to the local community is great but when individuals save money from more efficient suppliers, they then have the choice to contribute that money to public institutions that they favor.

I've worked for Mom and Pops and for multinationals and the multis pay better and give better benefits. They are also more likely to offer an upward mobility path. You aren't stuck behind the dolt of a son or daughter regardless of how hard you work. What the small, static town offers is all of the comforts of a caste system. Step outside of the normal rules (by you nature or inclination) and you're toast. Mediocrity is triumphant and who wants to read the memoirs of the mediocre?

Franklin Evans
September 18, 2007 1:37 PM

SVSteve, I don't disagree with your later statements, but your initial premise is self-contradictory.

You assert that the M&P has or had the "ability" to charge more (reason is irrelevant). You then qualify the saving of money being from "more efficient suppliers". Either M&P were gouging, or their wholesale and other overhead costs were higher. You can't have it both ways. Economies of scale are exact and unforgiving. That is why M&Ps lose to big box stores.

walt
September 18, 2007 2:53 PM

Change is not merely a function of American liberalism or our racial agonies. It's happened everywhere in advanced nations. The 1960s were equal-opportunity levelers of existing social structures. What is particularly different in America, however, is how one party decided to leverage cultural discontent with a program that, paradoxically or no, exacerbated the same ongoing tendencies. Economics is probably more important than politics in determining people's everyday reality. Our choices are much more apt to be economic than political since we "vote" continuously with the former and only sporadically with the latter. So the party of social conservatism and laissez-faire economics is, simply, schizophrenic.

Bill C.
September 18, 2007 3:54 PM

The problem for them is that it isn't a matter of intellectual debate. They don't have minds strong enough to comprehend change, or to understand the relevant analyses of why certain things should change. They should grow up and rather than shivering at things they don't understand, invest some mental energy in learning about them. Don't pity the simpletons.

www.draggedfromthebottom.blogspot.com

Betty Pawsheifer
September 18, 2007 4:34 PM

A similar phenomenon is that of former soldiers saying that the "best years of their lives" were when they were fighting the war. I doubt if very many really want to return to a time when they were risking life and limb, but they miss such aspects as the camaraderie, sense of purpose, intensity, that they haven't experienced since.

(Note that I am able to recount this although I am not now, nor have I ever been, in the military.)

Rob Grano
September 18, 2007 7:13 PM

"The problem for them is that it isn't a matter of intellectual debate. They don't have minds strong enough to comprehend change, or to understand the relevant analyses of why certain things should change. They should grow up and rather than shivering at things they don't understand, invest some mental energy in learning about them. Don't pity the simpletons."

Not quite sure who the "them" is in your first sentence here, Bill C. Care to specify?

Rod Dreher
September 19, 2007 9:26 AM

I doubt if very many really want to return to a time when they were risking life and limb, but they miss such aspects as the camaraderie, sense of purpose, intensity, that they haven't experienced since.

My mother and father say that some of the best years of their lives were when they were first married, and had maybe five dollars extra at the end of the month, after paying bills.

An old friend's father was a bombardier in World War II, and spent the rest of his long life living off those memories. He came home from saving the world from Nazism and became a housepainter. You see the connection.

I would never, ever want to relive the autumn and winter of 2001-02 in NYC, but I've got to say I've never felt more alive than that awful season.

sigaliris
September 19, 2007 10:49 AM

Rod, you seem to be a bit self-contradictory here. You started off suggesting that maybe intellectual culture excessively values dissent over conformity. Now, if I'm reading you correctly, you seem to be reflecting that this life of quiet conformity seems inadequate and lifeless to some, compared with times of violent change and intensity. Maybe you're just examining both sides of the question. : )

Maybe what matters is not the appearance of conformity vs. non-conformity to social norms, but rather keeping one's own integrity and vision of what life should be. (I know--that is at heart a dissenter's position, because it values internal coherence over social approval.) Some people can do that within a context of social conformity, and others can't. Society actually needs both kinds. As my husband the statistical researcher says, "Every bell curve has ends as well as a middle. It is perfectly normal to be abnormal."

I was struck by this: An old friend's father was a bombardier in World War II, and spent the rest of his long life living off those memories. He came home from saving the world from Nazism and became a housepainter. You see the connection.

I do see a connection, but maybe not the one you meant. Something is wrong when breaking things and killing people gives a man's live more validity than helping to build a community through productive work. Rather than thinking "Boy, those were the good days when I was bombing people/they were bombing us," shouldn't we be thinking "How can I invest as much of myself in my community as I did then?" Life doesn't acquire more meaning in a crisis. Life already has meaning. It is there all around us. We just need to learn to see it.

I hope a personal reflection won't be too far off topic. In the family of my childhood, there was a lot of drama and crisis. I tried to help in various ways--trivial repeated efforts, mostly rejected, mostly just causing more people to get mad at me, I thought. I often felt my life was pointless and insignificant. As children do, I daydreamed about some big, dramatic gesture that would force everyone to see how wrong they were! Many years later, I was talking to one of my sisters about raising our kids and coping with the teenage years. Suddenly she turned to me and said, "It's your voice I remember. Your constant, patient voice, always so kind and gentle."

You see the connection, I hope. (Because I don't mean this to be about me!) Moment by apparently insignificant moment, you can build community or destroy it, build lives or destroy them. I feel really sad for your friend's father if he was never able to see the worth of what he was doing. There's something terribly wrong with a society where dropping fire from the sky on people and burning them alive is considered more meaningful than lovingly painting a house to keep their family safe and warm. Crisis, violence, destruction--all the features of the warrior ethic are more valued than the patience and perseverance over time that is required to create anything worth having. One brushstroke at a time, we could be working on a home big enough for everyone. To me it seems that's meaning enough for any life.

Brad
September 20, 2007 8:11 AM

"I was struck by this: An old friend's father was a bombardier in World War II, and spent the rest of his long life living off those memories. He came home from saving the world from Nazism and became a housepainter. You see the connection.

I do see a connection, but maybe not the one you meant. Something is wrong when breaking things and killing people gives a man's live more validity than helping to build a community through productive work."

Sig, this just may be the atavistic difference between testosterone and estrogen. Had he been able to dash house to house painting each with his paintball gun, running the real risk every house might swat him like a bug with some four-digit, white gloved animate piece of itself, the dramatic difference between careers would likely have been less. ;-)

Marian Neudel
September 20, 2007 12:37 PM

". Something is wrong when breaking things and killing people gives a man's live more validity than helping to build a community through productive work."

"Sig, this just may be the atavistic difference between testosterone and estrogen."

Not sure about this. Sometimes I think of the "best years of my life" as the '60s and '70s when I was active, and sometimes instrumental, in the antiwar, antidraft, and proGI movements. Nobody was shooting at me, but I did amass a surprisingly large Red Squad file, and got kind of a kick out of that, estrogen notwithstanding. (Women, of course, do secrete testosterone, just not very much of it.)

But of course, back then it was possible to support a family on a single part-time income and do politics with the rest of one's life. Now, until recently anyway, I have been the sole support of a family that includes a disabled person, and couldn't afford to put much time into politics. And among the major sources of satisfaction in my life were just being able to get the kitchen cleaned up before I go to bed, and then pray, and watch the History channel. Maybe economics and age explain more than estrogen and testosterone.

Brad
September 20, 2007 2:49 PM

Ah, Marian, while I was obviously tweaking Sig's more nest-building counterexample with one from Rob Becker's "caveman" world view ("Hunt house, paint house, take house victory home"), I think it's true for all that the best years of our lives get defined by those times we feel we are testing ourselves to the fullest. Some do that early in life, some later, some fortunate few throughout their entire lives.

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