Crunchy Con

More Huckabee love

Wednesday September 12, 2007

Categories: Republicans, Republicans
Michael Brendan Dougherty has an American Conservative profile of Mike Huckabee that makes me love the guy even more. Didn't say I'd vote for him -- he's wrong on Iraq, but Dougherty indicates that there's reason to believe that a...
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octopus
September 12, 2007 7:58 PM

Yikes, I get Ron Paul!

bam
September 12, 2007 9:08 PM

Barack Obama for me. Agreement score of 60%

william
September 12, 2007 9:11 PM

Grr

I got Mitt but I have given money to Fred -

A test done by positions taken cannot account for whether you believe the candidate who took those positions - I am just not sure I trust Mitt

Kristen M.
September 12, 2007 9:46 PM

Ugh. These polls ALWAYS misrepresent Paul's positions. Why is that? I scored a 77% agreement score with Ron Paul, but it turns out it would actually be *higher* if they just represented him correctly.

For example, it says Ron Paul is for repealing the income tax and replacing it with a Fair Tax. While he's said he wouldn't veto that legislation if it passed his desk, he's also been very clear that he wants to eliminate the Income Tax and replace it with NOTHING. Income tax revenues account for a little more than a third of our federal spending. Reducing spending by a third would bring us down to the level of expenditures we had in 2000. Does anyone honestly believe we can't reduce spending back to year 2000 levels?

I've taken other polls that say Paul would put us back on the gold standard when he's been quite explicit that he simply wants to return gold and silver to their constitutional place as legal tender (by removing taxes and regulations governing their use) and allow them to compete with the dollar freely. That's very different than a cart-blanche return to the gold standard.

The same thing goes with his desire to eliminate the Federal Reserve Bank. He's said he doesn't like it and in a truly free market we wouldn't need it or want it, but he knows it's not realistic to dismantle the Fed in one night (or even one term as President).

Paul often talks about the ideal as something to strive for, but he always tempers it with practical, realistic talk about steps we can take in the right direction. A Paul presidency wouldn't accomplish much in terms of reaching his ideals (aside from perhaps restoring the openness of the executive branch and bringing the troops home), but it would certainly shift the debate enough that the political pendulum might just start swinging back in a smaller-government, freedom-loving direction as politicians wake up to the fact that they've lost their constituencies.

John Savage
September 12, 2007 10:14 PM

According to the quiz, Ron Paul, 63%.

That's although I feel like I agree with my first choice, Tancredo, on most of the important things. I end up giving the "antiwar" response to most of the war questions, but I think Paul's non-interventionism goes too far. Besides that, I just don't like the fact that Paul is trying to be a purist candidate. I'd prefer an orthodox Republican with a strong emphasis on immigration and a willingness to consider a variety of anti-terrorism strategies, rather than strict non-interventionism (Paul), or the bankrupt democracy-promotion strategy that most of the GOP hopefuls are hewing to. Tancredo understands that the jihadists fight us because their religion commands them to fight unbelievers. I'm not sure he'd deny Paul's idea that our foreign policy also played a role in stirring up the jihad, but he knows the problem won't go away. As demonstrated by his discussion of deterrence strategies, I think he is the most likely to provide new thinking and perhaps recover the realist tradition in foreign policy.

Enforce the borders and Realpolitik abroad: that's what I'm for!

John Savage
September 12, 2007 10:40 PM

Oh, yes, and I'm also for not picking candidates by who you'd like to have a beer with. We have too much style over substance without having pundits encouraging it.

Brent
September 12, 2007 11:14 PM

77% for Romney, and I'd have to say I'm happy with that.

Larry Parker
September 12, 2007 11:16 PM

Of course I got Kucinich (70) -- sigh. (My actual candidate is Obama.)

The problem with these questions is that they are black-and-white. You're not allowed to say, "Yes, BUT ..."

Yes, I'm liberal, in fact quite liberal, but IMHO in a nuanced way that puts me in the middle of the free-fire zone between not only Republicans/conservatives but also DailyKos/MoveOn-type Dems.

Erin Manning
September 13, 2007 12:06 AM

Mr. Savage, I got exactly the same result as you did.

I suspect with more nuanced questions, I'd probably come out even more strongly in the "Ron Paul" camp.

M_David
September 13, 2007 12:26 AM

Ron Paul at 67%.

fbc
September 13, 2007 2:26 AM

Ron Paul at a distressingly low 63%.

RP 2008: it will probably be the last presidential vote I ever cast.

Charles Cosimano
September 13, 2007 2:40 AM

Giuliani 77%

For some reason I'm not surprised. And I'm still convinced that a race between him and Hillary would be characterized by a loud screeching noise followed by a squish as he crushes her like a large, loud and obnoxious insect.

Alex
September 13, 2007 4:45 AM

Hm. I got 70% Ron Paul but I'm for Tancredo. I have to admit, my war answers put me much more toward Paul than Tanc. But Tanc has the correct top priority--immigration--plus I'd second John Savage's distinctions between them on jihad, and that they're in Tancredo's favor.

By the way, Ron Paul just gave an interview where he made this shrewd point answering the libertarian belief in open borders:

"You think there’s a role for the nation-state?

"Sure. Sure. Otherwise, the vacuum is filled with international government."

The interview overall, while a good showing by Paul, shows he's a too soft on immigration, hasn't thought it through enough (eg, high levels of legal immigration are a problem regardless of the health of the economy).

Alex
September 13, 2007 4:48 AM

Huckabee compared the denial of public services for illegal aliens to the denial of voting rights for black citizens. He said the open approval of mass immigration was a second chance for Arkansans to prove they're not as racist as the civil rights era suggested. And he said flatly that restriction of public subsidy of illegals "inflames those who are racist and bigots and makes them think there's a real problem. But there's not."

If he's seen the light on immigration, the change would be dramatic enough as to be unmissable. He clearly hasn't.

Peter
September 13, 2007 4:52 AM

Joe Biden 63%

Too bad the site makes it so much effort to see the full list of ratings. I think the 2nd and 3rd place are probably more interesting to compare.

Bugg
September 13, 2007 7:41 AM

Guiliani. But I'm voting for Paul in the primary.

I'm sorry-Huckabee is lost on me. He shares more than a little with fellow Hopeful, Arkansasan Clinton. To say as he does that immigration opponents are racist is simply wrong. It's cavalier and unthinking. He really thinks he knows better. And if he cannot see as much on that issue, what other issues will he try to triangulate? Probably all of them.

What I like about Paul is that he really does cut through the haze. Huckabee's "honor" stupidity would have us In Iraq indefinitely.
And note-I refer to "honor" as Huckabee did, which is an open, indefinite and never-ending commitment in Iraq rather than it's common meaning. I would say so far Huckabee,Romney and Obama have all demmonstrated a scary dangerous propensity to pander and say anything.Hillary Clinton is an category all her own, sort of like being bronzed for the Hall of Fame, in this regard. Have we learned nothing in the last 16 years?

Greg M
September 13, 2007 9:36 AM

McCain 60%

Andrea
September 13, 2007 9:44 AM

Dear God, I matched with John McCain - 60 percent. That was not a result that I expected. I'm for Huckabee.

recovering ex-Pentecostal
September 13, 2007 10:16 AM

"How will the next generation learn to make a family work, if today, none of us are making a family work?” he asks. He defines “family” in such a way as to rule out gay marriage"

If he cannot accept that gay Americans DO get married and DO form families too, perhaps he is simply too out of touch with reality to vote for him. HIS "definition" is too exclusive and indicates that he would support the move to kick gay Americans out of the protections and guarantees of the Constitution - something America does NOT need in a leader.

Hey, a new slogan: "I'm the excluder, not the includer."

Will
September 13, 2007 10:43 AM

Wow, I'm 80% Noam Chomsky...

Rod Dreher
September 13, 2007 12:38 PM

If he cannot accept that gay Americans DO get married and DO form families too, perhaps he is simply too out of touch with reality to vote for him.

In what sense is favoring a political position that nearly 60 percent of the American public backs a sign that a politician is "out of touch with reality"? Hmm? That 57 percent of the public could be wrong, of course, but the politician who doesn't take note of the fact that nationally, being pro-gay marriage is not a popular position is the one who's out of touch with reality.

Lenny Nichols
September 13, 2007 12:46 PM

I've been for Ron Paul, but I was surprised to find that we agreed 87%. I'll have to send a small donation. ..all I can afford is small.

areti
September 13, 2007 12:49 PM

Wow! I'm 63% compatible with Huckabee! Now I'm even more strongly convinced that I should become a Republican!

Mark
September 13, 2007 12:52 PM

Sheesh, I was 63% Ron Paul. Didn't see that one coming.

Mark
September 13, 2007 12:55 PM

I also meant to add, I'm praying for a Romney(P)-Huckabee(VP) ticket.

Christian
September 13, 2007 3:47 PM

I try not to comment endlessly here about how wrong I think you are on the war, Rod, but sometimes your leanings just mystify me. You admit that Huckabee is "wrong" on Iraq, but you snipe at McCain:

"a President Huckabee would be a lot more sensible than, heaven help us, a President McCain. Huck is vague on policy, but big on character."

Where to begin? Is McCain "small on character"? Compared to who? As for "sensible" policies, here's a guy who served honorably in the military, and who now wants to lead us in a time of war. A guy who doesn't like pork spending (what a lack of character1; how un-crunchy-con!). A guy who doesn't like unfettered spending on political campaigns.

And you impugn him? What's with you?

ScurvyOaks
September 13, 2007 5:42 PM

77% agreement with Rudy. Chas., looks like you and I are on the same page.

John Savage
September 16, 2007 5:22 AM

If anyone is still reading this thread, Huckabee's character might be apparent here, where he reveals a crusader's zeal for immigration. He is quoted as follows:

"For decades, we treated our state's African-American population poorly. The Hispanic influx gives us a second chance to prove what kind of people we really are.

I think frankly the Lord is giving us a second chance to do better than we did before."

That's the kind of liberal-Christian PC blather you can come to expect from Huckabee. Coming from yet another pol who thinks the Lord speaks through him. Haven't we already had one too many of those lately?

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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