Offensensitivity in our time
Here, courtesy of Salon, is the Berkeley Breathed comic strip that's been banned by newspapers (including the Washington Post) on grounds that it's insensitive to Muslims. It's pretty mild stuff, and it makes fun not of Muslims, but a certain...
Gotta love a country that offers so much Maher room to Breathed.
Your reading of the cartoon is dead-on, Rod. It insults Americans insulting Muslim women, not Muslim women themselves.
Sheesh.
"Offensensitivity" Only a die-hard Bloom County fan would remember that one!
My Gosh the world is offensive! :)
I totally agree that it is absurd to ban this strip. Newspapers are supposed to stand up for the First Amendment. I also agree that the point of the strip is not to mock Muslims, but to poke some dark fun at American presumption in the Middle East.
However, you might want to check out this site, featuring "online sources of modest clothing":
stanosheck.com/Modesty.html
and especially the lovely swimwear for Christian ladies:
www.wholesomewear.com/page-4.html
There are also versions made with the Jewish market in mind:
modestclothes.com/jewish/modest-jewish-swimwear.html
So, just to extend the thought process, consider if Breathed had used swimwear as a symbol of other intractable believers--would the paper have cancelled the cartoon? Probably not, is my guess, because newspapers don't fear vengeance from Jews or Christians to the same extent. Would the targets of the cartoon have been offended? Would their ministers have foamed at the mouth at the implication that their dress codes are freaky? I imagine so.
Breathed is extremely clever because he has indicted the patriarchy here, as well as American foreign policy per se. Note how the Iraqis have, in essence, been "feminized" by implication. Just as women are to accept being told how to think and dress by men, lesser kinds of people are to accept being told how to think and act by US. Just thought I'd throw that lighted match into the brushpile. . . .
BTW, the Philadelphia Inquirer ran the strip yesterday morning. Their offices are still standing so far. And there were no angry letters--yet.
Whew! For a second, it looked like you wrote "Courtesy of Satan," which is perhaps what some folks would think!
Muslims are made to be mocked. That is why God created them.
Rod, you are soooooo lucky you got to work for William F. Buckley. I hope you appreciate what a rare treat that was.
For the rest of us in "flyover" territory, managing editors (and probably more significantly, the corporatist publishers to whom managing editors are answerable) are seldom the broadly educated intellectual giants we might hope for them to be. I think c.y.a. is more often the guiding principle for these folks than p.c.
Be that as it may, there is a "progressive crusader culture" that seems to permeate newsrooms, and in the strangest markets. I have been amazed, for instance, at how often The Roanoke Times editorial staff completely misjudges its regional readership by pandering to a tiny audience of would-be urban cosmopolitans at the expense of the moderate majority within its circulation area.
In the movie "The Name of the Rose", adapted from the Umberto Eco novel, there is a monk who forbids laughter and humor. It is the work of Satan, he insists, to cause or exhibit laughter.
My vision of Hel, if there is such a place, is where there is no humor.
Breathed and Trudeau are the social commentators of our century. They see with unfettered eyes, and they find humor that is at once incisive (intending the cutting metaphor) and healing.
And Sig, there is a police helicopter hovering over my house right now. I think they know what I've been posting... ;-D
Rod, you're right: if this cartoon is offensive to anyone, it's the self-centred, blind-to-any-other-ways sort of American who should take offense, and then maybe think a bit about what just happened in the cartoon. The character said in plain language what most my-way-or-the-highway sorts try to dress up a little bit: "I know what's best for you better than you do, so you should do what I say". Not to mention, "If you don't feel like flaunting yourself in a tiny bikini, you're anti-freedom and un-American".
But offensive to Muslims? No way. If anything, Fatima (the Muslim character shown here) is a good role model for anyone trying to be counter-cultural or stand up to social expectations.
Thanks for the heads-up, Franklin. They're probably coming for me next. I shall flee as soon as I can disentangle myself from this ^%$# swimsuit. I'm not sure if it's Jewish, Christian, or Islamic, but there's yards of it!
"The People v. Larry Flynt," as you recall, dealt with a cartoon published in Hustler Magazine in which the late Jerry Falwell is depicted having sex with his mother. Falwell, of course, fought Flynt through the courts in a legitimate fashion. Falwell lost. He did not call for a fatwa; he did not decapitate Flynt; he did not even fly his private jet into Hustler headquarters. He became friends with Flynt and exhibited to him Christian charity. In fact, when Falwell passed away Flynt showed great respect and affection for the late university chancellor.
Although I had my disagreements with Falwell--rhetorical, political and theological--he understood his Savior to be a practitioner of agape and philos, not jihad and fatwa.
If CAIR is concerned about religious intolerance and persecution, it is perhaps time for the organization to open an office in Riyadh, where it can fight for the rights of the citizens of Saudi Arabia to convert from Islam to Christianity without fear of imprisonment, torture, or decapitation. CAIR can perhaps redirect its efforts to decrease the number of headless Arab Christians in Islamic countries rather than expending its precious resources fighting humorous comic strips about Muslims in free countries where Christians and Muslims get to keep their heads.
I know that I am not reading this cartoon incorrectly. This cartoon is saying that the deeply held religious feelings of Islam regardless if it is in the Middle East or elsewhere, represented by Fatima, are not going to be co-opted by American arrogance, as shown by her refusal to wear the yellow polka dot bikini, but rather by wearing the burqini, a legitimate beachwear for Muslim women.
I cannot see how it can be read any differently. If someone wants to correct me, please do so. I promise I will welcome the criticism and correction.
"If CAIR is concerned about religious intolerance and persecution"
Accordingly to Islam, if you are not Muslim you are intolerant and you are persecuting Islam. For that you must die or convert.
"Offensensitivity" Only a die-hard Bloom County fan would remember that one!
I was wondering if anybody would get the reference.
How I miss Bloom County. When did Berke Breathed lose his sense of humor? Was it after one of his breaks, or was it after he nearly died in that hang-gliding accident?
There is a website address shown in cartoon,
www.ahiida.com.
Take at look, you will have more fun than with cartoon itself.
I love that CAIR has so cowed the press that they even refuse to run POSITIVE depictions of Muslims....
CAIR is just like the ADL or the Catholic League then, right?
"Accordingly to Islam, if you are not Muslim you are intolerant and you are persecuting Islam. For that you must die or convert"
Not true. Treatment depends upon your status--Islam permits "protected peoples," but, yes, it's a perpetual second-class status.
Breathed is still funny in bursts--his comic on the Danish cartoon riots was hilarious. But all cartoonists lose it eventually. Comedy is hard, especially when you're doing it on deadline. Just try to remember them in their prime.
CAIR is just like the ADL or the Catholic League then, right?
Nah. Maybe the ADL and CL sometimes resemble CAIR in similar reflexively over-the-top alarmist tone, but CAIR is sui generis.
ADL and CL each have a broad support base with donor membership in the tens of thousands. CAIR is supported by a handful of rich Muslims.
More importantly, neither ADL nor CL have had people indicted on terror charges, nor has either organization been named as an unindicted co-conspirator in anything.
...nor has either organization been named as an unindicted co-conspirator in anything.
This is unconvincing. I would not trust this administration's assessment of any organization, as they have been proven time and again to use whatever dishonest and dishonorable means necessary to score political points.
OK. You don't like unindicted co-conspirator status. Fine.
But what about the indictments of CAIR personnel? Throw in the links to HAMAS and the Muslim Brotherhood, and the gulf between CAIR and ADL/CL should be clear. You can't show a link between ADL/CL personnel and violence. A link between personnel and overheated-to-deeply stupid statements, yes. Violence, no.
Everyone is within six degrees of separation from everyone else. I have a family member in the military. By extension, I am but three degrees of separation from murderous South American dictators.
Unless we are all guilty by association, then CAIR is merely a watchdog group, just as the ADL and the CL (and PETA, and Media Matters, and Focus on the Family, for that matter.)
As regards the charge that the Muslim Brotherhood seeks to "impose Islam on the world," I am also unconvinced that this poses de facto danger. Conservatives wish for the whole world to be conservative, or at least live like conservatives. Christians are required to convert the nations. PETA works toward having everyone live in a way that is not detrimental to animal life and dignity. Secular humanists want everyone to conduct themselves secularly in the public square.
That CAIR has an agenda is clear. That this agenda is against the law or even dangerous is a matter of opinion.
I remain unconvinced that CAIR poses any danger to me and mine.
Dale's right: the brief against CAIR is far longer and more substantive than what's been presented in this Dallas case.
Charles: Muslims are made to be mocked. That is why God created them.
That's an ugly statement, Charles. Nobody is "made" to be mocked, certainly not for their religion. If that's your attitude, what do you have to say to Muslims like Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, who really is a good guy taking serious personal risks to stand up to the Islamists in sheep's clothing? Why would you alienate a good man like that who is on your side, by making fun of his religion?
Everyone is within six degrees of separation from everyone else. I have a family member in the military. By extension, I am but three degrees of separation from murderous South American dictators.
Unless we are all guilty by association, then CAIR is merely a watchdog group
Except that we're talking about zero degrees of separation from terrorist groups here. Note also CAIR's refusal to condemn violence by Hamas and Hezbollah.
"As regards the charge that the Muslim Brotherhood seeks to "impose Islam on the world...[etc., to the end of the comment"]
Except that this is moving the goalpost. Your original comment posited moral equivalence between ADL/CL and CAIR, which you continue to assume with no supporting evidence.
They're all human, and therefore all morally equivalent.
Unless you are under the impression that some sinners are better than other sinners?
Fascinating.
Why, yes, I do say some sinners are worse than others. It is right and proper that one make distinctions based upon actions. Distinguishing between those who aid and abet murder and those who don't is basic.
You, OTOH, assert the equal culpability of those who belong to three distinct organizations, all because, evidently, they are in some way "religious." You persist in doing so on the basis of no evidence whatsoever--indeed, in the face of contrary evidence, and based upon a genetic fallacy (government labels are to be discarded). Ipse dixit. The morality of such an approach is absent, let alone the logic.
Yes. This is fascinating.
As far as CAIR refusing to condemn violence by Hamas and Hezbollah, when was the last time the ADL condemened violence by Israel? How about the last time the GOP condemned violence by Americans in Iraq?
Yes. I do see moral equivalence. Aiding and abetting murder is criminal. Why again are they unindicted? Co-conspirator is not unlike Dreher stating that CAIR sought to shut down his argument by bringing up the "Nazi" canard. Our government wishes to shut down any pro-Muslim organization by calling them "unindicted co-conspirators." It's meaningless. I'll say it again - meaningless.
I submit that the status of CAIR as unindicted co-conspirators is nothing more than a smear-tactic designed to dupe the public into discounting their work. Part of that work, like the ADL and CL, is to ensure the the public is aware of fallacious representations made in the media.
Prove to the public that CAIR is a terrorist organization if that's possible, but please don't think that "unindicted co-conspirator" is supposed to make us care about CAIR.
Distinguishing between those who aid and abet murder and those who don't is basic.
Yes, but we aid and abet murder every time we pay our taxes, do we not?
Franklin, some people who aren't fictional have said the same thing about Islam. Ayatolloh Khomenei is said to have uttered this gem: "There is no humor in Islam. There can be no humor in what is serious." However, the Ayatollah is also reported to have laughed when Oriana Fallaci ripped off her headscarf during her interview with him, which she did not once, but twice.
Posting in a hurry, sorry for the mispellings above. I meant to say Ayatollah Khomenei.
Alicia, in general I try to avoid unqualified statements. I don't mean this as a criticism of your post; I'm quite sure I understand your intended meanings.
But, my reaction to statements like Khomenei's is to edit it in my mind: "There is no humor in [my version of] Islam."
My spiritual path is based on the neverending search for balance. I find laughter in the most serious, and sober wisdom in the most refined humor. I should qualify that by saying that if I failed to look for each complementary aspect, my life would be many times less rich, and quite a bit more boring.
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