Our schizo government at work

You are a broken record on this. Do you suggest that federal agencies shouldn't engage mainstream Muslims who are members of the largest Muslim organization in the country. It's like suggesting you shouldn't engage Focus on the Family because of connections some of its members and paragroups have to hate groups. The government can't just sit back and not engage Muslims and begin to reach out.

You seem very impressed by the administration's case in Dallas, but you seem to be alone in that assessment. There is widespread criticism about the naming of unindicted coconspirators and what groups are allegedly linked to terrorism. The case against ISNA is vey very very thin and the case against the HLF is also pretty suspect.

How do you suggest that the government engage U.S. Muslims when every Muslim group and mosque has ended up as an unindicted co-conspirator or is on some terrorist watch-list because of our chaotic approach to intelligence. You'd have no one left. So what would you do, short of deportation?

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"How do you suggest that the government engage U.S. Muslims when every Muslim group and mosque has ended up as an unindicted co-conspirator or is on some terrorist watch-list because of our chaotic approach to intelligence. You'd have no one left. So what would you do, short of deportation?"

An excellent question. If only US goverment was not a part of suicidal liberal culture.

Severely restricting Muslim immigration from Muslim AND non-Muslim countries.

Declaring Sharia a political doctrine not compatible with US Constitution.

Deporting all non-citizen Muslims who profess belief in Sharia,
it is similar to deporting non-citizen Commies or Nazis for their political beliefs.

Stripping naturalized Muslim citizens if it can be proven that they believed in Sharia when they took an oath of citizenship.

These steps will do for beginning in domestic policies.

In foreign policy arena, implement Separationism (see Auster, D. West, C Iannone).

I've also sometimes argued that we should treat Muslims who believe in a world wide Islamic government as we treated communists during the cold war. We should be able to reject any person who believes that the only just government is a world wide Islamic government. That is the real heart of the matter: if a Muslim is a fundamentalist and strictly adheres to the Quran demands than he knows that he must work towards creating an Islamic state. The world will know peace whenever everyone lives by Islamic law.

To me, people who believe in Islamic governments can never be someone whose oath of citizenship to the United States is anything but a superficial sham. Some people may argue -- surely Muslims that come here do not think that way. But they do. What is even more surprising is that they can convert US citizens to thinking that way. I had a friend who was a Nader's Raider, environmental activist in high school. I lost track of her for about 10 years and then came to find out that she had converted to Islam. Over time I learned that she believed that the only just government would be one based on Islam. My mouth dropped. She then proceded to tell me how Islam is more freeing for women. I couldn't believe my ears. And this was a good 15 years before 911. The folks who converted her where from small town, predominantly ethnic and Catholic America. She was raised Catholic.

The fundamental problem with Islam is that adhered to strictly it is not only a religion but also a form of government. Sharia law creates an interesting dynamic: it is a tool that can use fear of the tortures that the justice systems inflicts on the "guilty) to coerce people. I don't understand why we do not refuse citzenship and the right to free passage throughout the country to those who belive that non-Islamic governments should be replaced by Islamic. During the cold war, Soviet communists were restricted to a 25 mile radius of 3 major cities. We have no control over these people.

Sharia is secondary to the state and a useful tool for oppression. A good example comes from an Iranian that I knew. He said how things really work in Iran is that the religious police leave you alone as long as your playing ball and not making waves. Make waves and they'll start following you and your family around or come into your house looking for alcohol and other contraband. The Sharia rules are so complex and the punishments so harsh that no one can obey them all the time. So if a woman's hair falls out of her covering and her family is on the "list" she charged with improper covering. Selective enforcement of the law is really the name of the game.

Similar things go on in Saudi Arabia. I'm sure we have all heard the stories of the women who shed their coverings the minute they get out of Saudi Airspace. The men come to the west to drink and do other things that are dangerous to do in the country. As long as they keep their noses clean, its ok for them to break the rules.