Perusing Patrick Deneen's back catalogue, I came upon an entry in which he discusses one of my pet peeves: conservatives who (like me) get bent out of shape over illegal immigration, but who hypocritically don't acknowledge the connection between the cheap consumer goods and services they expect, and the outlaw immigration they abhor. Patrick makes a challenging proposal. Emphasis mine:
Opponents of illegal immigration demand that we secure our borders in order to ensure our "sovereignty," but will doing this meaningfully ensure our sovereignty in an age of outsourcing and "the service economy," of massive foreign ownership of US government debt and our reliance on "foreign oil" (a.k.a., oil)? Why do we not hear from illegal immigration opponents any arguments on behalf of paying higher prices for citizen-produced goods? Organic markets have sprung up to ensure that certain kinds of goods have been produced humanely (e.g., free range chickens or grass-fed cattle), and tend to be a mainstay in Blue State cities (e.g., Whole Foods, etc.). Couldn't some illegal immigration critic begin a supermarket that would sell "citizen-produced" products or housing tracts built only by citizen-contractors? How about a fast food chain with only citizen-produced ground beef and chicken nuggets? Would our consumers flood them, in spite of the higher prices? Would it force producers who use illegal immigrant labor to start doing employment I.D. checks? Think of what happened last time there was a "Buy American" effort. The dominance of Wal-Mart throughout Red State America (not to mention Blue State America) does not inspire confidence.Sure, by all means let's secure our borders. Nevertheless, the argument that securing our southern border will ensure our "sovereignty" just rings a bit false in an era in which America demands "everyday low prices," and as a result is everyday more beholden to Saudi Arabian oil, Chinese plastic products and Far Eastern purchasers of our debt. Practicing the primary end of sovereignty - self-governance - would go a long way to securing our borders.

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Please inform, what are the marks of just and unjust immigration laws?
Max:
"Abstract" tends to lose its truthiness, as Stephen Colbert would say, when it immediately follows the posts (and posters) in question.
""Abstract" tends to lose its truthiness, as Stephen Colbert would say, when it immediately follows the posts (and posters) in question."
I understand the Colbert part, but I not sure what you mean by the rest (perhaps you can 'splain). In any event, (and for the third time) I wasn't refering to anyone, least of all you.
MegaSheesh.
You can say you weren't attacking me -- but it's clear from responding immediately to me, citing my language, you were -- but it's all O/T anyway ...
Gee Larry, why not just call me a liar?
I stand by my posts.
I was addressing you directly in my original post in order to contradict your assertion that no commandment existed proscribing parents berating children.
Now, as far as if the subsequent abstract comment was directed at you, again, simply no. As I wrote, I hadn't even read the original post so I don't even know the particulars (that would be where you come in; the particular).
That you identify so strongly with as the subject of my abstract observation only serves to show that, well, I guess the shoe fits. We should not be surprised when the universal has many occurances in the particular (maybe not you).
In retrospect, you comment about "truthiness" gains a certain currency from you other comments which I don't think you intended. Not that you deliberately trash truthiness (as I think you accuse me), but that you are blinded by it by an apparent narcissism on your part.
So, as to not disabuse you further of your cosmology, I will, in the spirit of community, capitulate and agree to that solipsism to which you seem so prone to cling: It's all about you.
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