Crunchy Con

Shut up or, inshallah, we'll sue

Monday October 29, 2007

Categories: Islamic terrorism
Earlier this month, a small Florida group carried out a public protest against Six Flags over Texas, here in the Dallas area, over the park's holding a special day for Muslim visitors. The event was sponsored in part by the...
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Larry Parker
October 29, 2007 3:00 PM

If you hadn't mentioned SLAPP, I would have been quite upset. SLAPP is a notorious technique by corporations to shut up shareholders and activists. But as you say, the tide has turned the other way, given the very obnoxiousness (and dubiousness under the First Amendment) of SLAPP.

Good for standing up for both "crunchy" as well as "con" in this case.

Daniel
October 29, 2007 3:24 PM

Of course, lawsuits against hate groups like the Ku Klux Klan or Fred Phelps Westboro Baptist Church have also been effective in shutting down extremist organizations by going after their funding sources. In a competition to see which group more mainstream, arguably Americans Against Hate is as dubious as CAIR and arguably CAIR has better credentials. I know you love your whackjob alarmist groups, but defending this outfit to score points against CAIR is dubious at best.

Dale Price
October 29, 2007 3:57 PM

"lawsuits against hate groups like the Ku Klux Klan or Fred Phelps Westboro Baptist Church"

Yes, but as I understand it, the lawsuits deployed against the KKK and WBC were not defamation lawsuits. SLAPPs are direct blasts aimed against the First Amendment and have to be opposed with the utmost vigor.

ds0490
October 29, 2007 4:04 PM

I'll keep beating this drum as long as Rod continues to overlook the terrorists that are already here in favor of the terrorists that might be here soon.

http://www.cq.com/public/20050325_homeland.html

"The conspirators behind the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, which killed 168 people and wounded more than 500, were inspired by radical right-wing movements. Eric Rudolph, the man charged with carrying out the 1996 Olympic Park bombing in Atlanta, which killed one woman and injured more than 100, was a member of the radical anti-abortion group Army of God. Initially, Rudolph was the object of a massive North Carolina manhunt in connection with a Birmingham, Ala., abortion-clinic bombing that killed a police officer and seriously maimed a nurse.

Another Army of God member, James Kopp, was convicted in the 1998 shooting of a doctor who performed abortions.

Individuals affiliated with such groups have also been involved in many smaller terrorist acts, including mailing hundreds of bogus anthrax letters to abortion clinics, and in plots to obtain and use conventional, chemical and nuclear weapons against civilians. In 2003, for instance, a Texas man prosecutors say was a white supremacist and anti-government radical pleaded guilty to charges of possessing a weapon of mass destruction. Authorities had discovered enough sodium cyanide bombs to kill hundreds of people; machine guns and several hundred thousand rounds of ammunition; 60 pipe bombs; and remote-control explosive devices disguised as briefcases in a storage space he rented. The man, William J. Krar, was sentenced to 11 years in federal prison."

How long, Rod, before you turn your mighty pen to the problems of Christian terrorists already here? How long before you turn your efforts to fighting folks in YOUR religion who terrorize Americans?

Daniel
October 29, 2007 4:10 PM

A fair point. Most of those lawsuits involved attacks on free speech in its broadest sense, but they weren't defamation. Just as CAIR is well-financed, so are groups like AAH who are tied into the far-right's financing system. This isn't exactly a David v. Goliath, but instead two groups viewed as extremist by some pretending to be mainstream.

Rod Dreher
October 29, 2007 5:23 PM

Who finances AAH? CAIR gets a lot of money from the Middle East. I've never heard of AAH until this, and if that group had asked me, I would have said, "Do you really want to take a stand against Muslim Family Day at Six Flags? Please reconsider." CAIR is certainly extremist, but it is quite mainstream, or at least is treated that way by the news media. Anyway, as foul as I find the Fred Phelps crazies to be, I am bothered by the recent lawsuit filed by the father of a dead soldier, accusing the Phelps loons of causing him emotional distress. I think we should all be wary of attempts by anybody to squelch speech by turning to the courts. Like I said, defamation is not protected by the First Amendment, but just because someone claims to have been defamed doesn't mean that they have been. It could well be a lawsuit designed to intimidate critics.

Charles Cosimano
October 29, 2007 5:45 PM

One phrase--counter sue. That will end it real fast because guess who the jury will give the money to.

Alicia
October 29, 2007 6:58 PM

I agree that protesting "Muslim Family Day" at an amusement park seems to violate good sense in terms of "picking one's battles." Unless they required the park's female employees to wear headscarves that day...

But, I think transparency about who these groups such as ICNA and CAIR are funded by, whether they have links to disreputable or extremsist groups, and whether they have "a hidden agenda" is perfectly legitimate. If a group has terrorist ties no matter how mainstream it pretends to be, that needs to be brought to light.

mik_infidelos
October 29, 2007 7:51 PM

"One phrase--counter sue. That will end it real fast because guess who the jury will give the money to."

You wish. Where have you been the last 5 years?
Once you are back on Earth you may consider:

1. Average member of a jury is a moron who was stupid enough not to get out of jury duty.

2. Goverment score against Muslims in courts is not that great. Jurors are totally confused by Jorge Boosh "Religion of Peace" idiocy, Saudi money buys great defense lawyers, while gov attorneys are most young and/or mediocre.

Anonymous
October 29, 2007 11:34 PM

So, let me get this straight. People who don't like us but have enough money to sue our mouths shut in our courts and win so they can further plot our demise. Hmm.

Donna Diorio
October 30, 2007 11:13 AM

That certainly explains the lack of HLF media coverage, but appalling, isn't it? That the media outlets are more worried about protecting their money from lawsuit in the short term than they are protecting this country (and their long term money) from those terrorist organizations using lawsuits as a means to keep the light from shining on their true activities?

Media organizations that won't back their journalists who are sticking their necks out to expose evil don't deserve to continue in operation. How stupid is it to see you will only be protected for the short term by keeping silent? Then we will all be held hostage like so many European countries who thought keeping quiet would work.

This just sounds too similar to the way things developed in a stealth radical political takeover in Germany sixty years ago. The adage that came out of that seemingly unlearned lesson is that all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. If the anti-Slapp laws are not enough, then why isn't the media full tilt clamoring for legislation that will cover the freedom of speech in this nation? The old Ostrich Strategy.

Daniel
October 30, 2007 11:43 AM

Where did you get the idea that media organizations fear lawsuits from writing about the HLF? CAIR sued a gadfly organization with links to far-right anti-Muslim groups. They didn't sue the NYT or the Dallas Morning News.

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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