Andrew suggests taking a quiz. Here are my results; what are yours?: What Kind of Reader Are You? Your Result: Dedicated Reader You are always trying to find the time to get back to your book. You are convinced that...
Obsessive Bookworm here. You're probably in the final stages of a Ph.D. or otherwise finding a way to make your living out of reading. You are one of the literati. Other people's grammatical mistakes make you insane.
I left one book upstairs. I was reading it while I brushed my teeth and made a mental note of what page I was on so I could go back to it next time I go upstairs for some reason. I have one stack of books from the used book store that’s still sitting on the couch in front of me, and another in a pile next to the chair. I’m feeling the gnawing pangs of guilt, because I’m on a jury for a book award, and several more submissions have arrived in the mail, and I haven’t read them yet. This job is KILLING me, because there are so many books that when you know in the first chapter that one of them is no good, you really can’t read it all the way to the trite, badly-written ending. You have to STOP and cast it aside, and move on to the next. That goes so against the grain with me. I’ve actually read some real turkeys all the way through, hoping . . . hoping . . . but they don’t get better. Then I throw the book down, indignant and amazed that yes, it could be that bad clear through. And wishing I had toothpaste of the mind to clear the taste away. I’m probably one of the few people in America--or the world--who has read “Dahlgren” by Samuel R. Delany multiple times.
And yes, Rod, I’m afraid it is wrong not to read fiction. My father is like that. He can only read Trollope. Fortunately for him, there’s quite a lot of Trollope. Nevertheless, it argues a failure of imagination, or nerve. Fiction is the closest we can ever come to understanding what it’s like to be someone else. Closing off your heart and soul to this possibility is denying yourself one of the greatest learning tools humanity has ever invented. It’s like refusing to learn math.
When people talk about not liking fiction, I always think about the ending of Ursula K. LeGuin’s great novel, “The Left Hand of Darkness.” The last words of the book come from the son of the dead hero, meeting the envoy from another world whom his father died to save: “Will you tell us how he died? Will you tell us about the other worlds out among the stars--the other kinds of men, the other lives?”
Biography can tell you about another, from a safe distance. Only fiction can invite you to become another.
Richard Barrett
October 14, 2007 9:55 PM
Another Obsessive-Compulsive Bookworm here...
On the fiction matter--I have a friend who refuses to read fiction on the grounds that a work of art that can't be experienced in one sitting is misleading, because it means you're a different person for each piece you take in. On those grounds alone, he insists, film is a better narrative medium from an artistic perspective than prose. Not sure I get it, but there we are. I've read other arguments that insist no configuration of text can ever be considered "art"--the novel, poetry, etc. It's too dependent, they claim, on the impact on the individual reader to be considered an art form. Again, seems silly to me, but whatever.
Richard
sigaliris
October 14, 2007 10:43 PM
That's interesting, Richard! James Gunn of the Center for the Study of Science Fiction says that the short story is actually the most perfect form of science fiction, and I suppose one could generalize to say that the short story is the most perfect form of fiction, period. The reasons would be similar to your friend's thinking--greater unity of theme, unity of impression on the reader, etc. I don't subscribe to that point of view, myself. Surely unity is only one aspect of art, not the whole ball of wax? And is he arguing that the impression on the viewer is not an important aspect of fine art? That doesn't seem right. To me it seems that all art is an interactive process taking place over time--frustrating for the artist to have to share her creativity with readers/viewers who frequently seem dumb as rocks, but what can you do? Anyway, I'm fully capable of being a different person from one minute to the next, so that sort of invalidates your friend's hope that I'll be able to stay in the same mind for a whole two hours!
Karen
October 15, 2007 1:06 AM
Not too surprising that I'm another in the 'obsessive compulsive bookworm' category. Always have a book handy, and my father used to actually ground me from reading. The librarian of my school once gave all the books she was going to dispose of (still good, just older) to my mom on the grounds that 'She's probably already read them, but, might as well go to someone who'll read them'.
I don't do alot of fiction, though. Science Fiction, Fantasy, Horror, and the classics, mostly. Poetry, and tons of non-fiction.
reddopto
October 15, 2007 2:15 AM
Rod, you're not wrong to avoid fiction. Non-fiction has to have some relation to the facts. You can check the assertions of a non-fiction book to see if they are crap or not. But, novels make possible pure unadulterated propaganda. Even a great novel can be heavily biased loaded. I picked up Atlas Shrugged last year. That's supposed to be a great novel, but it was 1100 pages of propaganda.
Novels, in the hands of a good writer, manipulate your feelings, which can cause a person to develop beliefs from an illogical perspective. The writer can easily play you for a sucker. I've only read one novel I would consider great, The Brothers Karamazov.
Read non-fiction to the right and to the left, and some tough challenging books, and you will come out way ahead of the game. Short stories may be O.K, but most novels are just an elaborate ruse.
Maria
October 15, 2007 2:31 AM
Book snob here. 'You read mostly for the social credit you can get out of it.'
Our house is full of novels and technical literature which i plan to read but usually put it off and reread something that i enjoyed before instead.
Untill 13 read only about planets, butterflies, animals etc
At 14 all pupils of our school were forced to read Crime&Punishment and War&Peace, i liked it and in the following years read almost all novels by that authors.
These days i read just about 3 or 4 new books per year, if not to count short stories, religious literature, and different articles in internet.
The next book i anticipate to read is another novel of Remarque. And currently i m on first pages of a short story 'The Movable Feast' by Hemingway, i m trying to read it in english, constantly checking russian version for the unfamiliar words. The feast is moving very slowly.
Rob Grano
October 15, 2007 7:38 AM
"Read non-fiction to the right and to the left, and some tough challenging books, and you will come out way ahead of the game. Short stories may be O.K, but most novels are just an elaborate ruse."
Couldn't disagree more. This is like saying, "Don't watch too many movies -- stick to documentaries," or "Avoid the art museum and instead concentrate on studying charts and graphs." For conservatives reading fiction (and poetry) is vital for the development of the moral imagination, since we believe that morality is related to the intuitive and the aesthetic, not just the rationalistic. The roll of thinkers who would support this idea is quite long, but would include Burke, Kirk, Roger Scruton, Chesterton, Lewis, Richard Weaver, Newman, T.S. Eliot, Allen Tate, George Steiner, Marion Montgomery...the list goes on and on. Note also that none of these folks is/was primarily a fiction writer, so they can't be accused of having a self-serving posture on this issue.
For a specific for-instance example, I'd argue that you can learn more about grace by reading, re-reading, and digesting Flannery O'Connor's works than by reading any number of theological tomes. Likewise, if you want to see what atheism and nihilism look like, you're better off going to Dostoevsky than to Bertrand Russell or Christopher Hitchens. Literature can be instructive in ways that nonfiction and merely 'factual' writing are not.
Tim Lukeman
October 15, 2007 9:20 AM
Another Obsessive-Compulsive Bookworm. :)
Rob, sigaliris, you're absolutely right. There's no substitute for fiction -- the best of it simply has more depth, more richness, more insight & understanding, than most non-fiction. This isn't a matter of being liberal or conservative, either. Non-fiction gives us facts, often in illuminating ways ... but fiction gives us truths, including ones alien to us. That's one of its greatest virtues, in fact. It allows us to enter into another's perspective, to experience other worlds, other modes of experience -- again, not just another set of facts, but the experience itself. Facts are what they are, quite straightforward, certainly useful -- but fiction is inexhaustible, offering new revelations as we grow older & experience more, and as we experience the work of fiction again & again.
Alicia
October 15, 2007 11:03 AM
I am a "dedicated reader." Though I mostly read non-fiction at the present time, there is nothing like good fiction. Being taken into another world in a way that is not merely intellectual is one of the truly great experiences of life. Woohoo! for reading.
Tammy
October 15, 2007 12:05 PM
It said I'm a book snob. I'm a non-fiction reader for the most part. I read to learn things most of the time.
Marian Neudel
October 15, 2007 12:50 PM
I would love to take the quiz, but my computer won't let me in to it, keeps saying it can't find the page. Foo. Anyway, I read one or two books a week, roughly 50/50 fiction and non, would read a lot more if I had the time. I try not to go through multiple books at the same time, as I think that usually indicates I'm getting unfocused. That may just be me. Every few years I reread Joyce's Ulysses. I think I'm about due to reread War and Peace, especially since there is supposed to be a neat new translation out.
Marian Neudel
October 15, 2007 12:58 PM
Hah! Finally got onto the quiz. I am a literate good citizen, which sounds about right. But some of the questions were artificially restricting.
Anonymous Also
October 15, 2007 1:03 PM
It says I'm a Book Snob.
Wow.
((((grinning))))
TPSoCal
October 15, 2007 8:13 PM
Literate Good Citizen.
Larry Parker
October 15, 2007 11:02 PM
Also Literate Good Citizen
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Obsessive Bookworm here. You're probably in the final stages of a Ph.D. or otherwise finding a way to make your living out of reading. You are one of the literati. Other people's grammatical mistakes make you insane.
I left one book upstairs. I was reading it while I brushed my teeth and made a mental note of what page I was on so I could go back to it next time I go upstairs for some reason. I have one stack of books from the used book store that’s still sitting on the couch in front of me, and another in a pile next to the chair. I’m feeling the gnawing pangs of guilt, because I’m on a jury for a book award, and several more submissions have arrived in the mail, and I haven’t read them yet. This job is KILLING me, because there are so many books that when you know in the first chapter that one of them is no good, you really can’t read it all the way to the trite, badly-written ending. You have to STOP and cast it aside, and move on to the next. That goes so against the grain with me. I’ve actually read some real turkeys all the way through, hoping . . . hoping . . . but they don’t get better. Then I throw the book down, indignant and amazed that yes, it could be that bad clear through. And wishing I had toothpaste of the mind to clear the taste away. I’m probably one of the few people in America--or the world--who has read “Dahlgren” by Samuel R. Delany multiple times.
And yes, Rod, I’m afraid it is wrong not to read fiction. My father is like that. He can only read Trollope. Fortunately for him, there’s quite a lot of Trollope. Nevertheless, it argues a failure of imagination, or nerve. Fiction is the closest we can ever come to understanding what it’s like to be someone else. Closing off your heart and soul to this possibility is denying yourself one of the greatest learning tools humanity has ever invented. It’s like refusing to learn math.
When people talk about not liking fiction, I always think about the ending of Ursula K. LeGuin’s great novel, “The Left Hand of Darkness.” The last words of the book come from the son of the dead hero, meeting the envoy from another world whom his father died to save: “Will you tell us how he died? Will you tell us about the other worlds out among the stars--the other kinds of men, the other lives?”
Biography can tell you about another, from a safe distance. Only fiction can invite you to become another.
Another Obsessive-Compulsive Bookworm here...
On the fiction matter--I have a friend who refuses to read fiction on the grounds that a work of art that can't be experienced in one sitting is misleading, because it means you're a different person for each piece you take in. On those grounds alone, he insists, film is a better narrative medium from an artistic perspective than prose. Not sure I get it, but there we are. I've read other arguments that insist no configuration of text can ever be considered "art"--the novel, poetry, etc. It's too dependent, they claim, on the impact on the individual reader to be considered an art form. Again, seems silly to me, but whatever.
Richard
That's interesting, Richard! James Gunn of the Center for the Study of Science Fiction says that the short story is actually the most perfect form of science fiction, and I suppose one could generalize to say that the short story is the most perfect form of fiction, period. The reasons would be similar to your friend's thinking--greater unity of theme, unity of impression on the reader, etc. I don't subscribe to that point of view, myself. Surely unity is only one aspect of art, not the whole ball of wax? And is he arguing that the impression on the viewer is not an important aspect of fine art? That doesn't seem right. To me it seems that all art is an interactive process taking place over time--frustrating for the artist to have to share her creativity with readers/viewers who frequently seem dumb as rocks, but what can you do? Anyway, I'm fully capable of being a different person from one minute to the next, so that sort of invalidates your friend's hope that I'll be able to stay in the same mind for a whole two hours!
Not too surprising that I'm another in the 'obsessive compulsive bookworm' category. Always have a book handy, and my father used to actually ground me from reading. The librarian of my school once gave all the books she was going to dispose of (still good, just older) to my mom on the grounds that 'She's probably already read them, but, might as well go to someone who'll read them'.
I don't do alot of fiction, though. Science Fiction, Fantasy, Horror, and the classics, mostly. Poetry, and tons of non-fiction.
Rod, you're not wrong to avoid fiction. Non-fiction has to have some relation to the facts. You can check the assertions of a non-fiction book to see if they are crap or not. But, novels make possible pure unadulterated propaganda. Even a great novel can be heavily biased loaded. I picked up Atlas Shrugged last year. That's supposed to be a great novel, but it was 1100 pages of propaganda.
Novels, in the hands of a good writer, manipulate your feelings, which can cause a person to develop beliefs from an illogical perspective. The writer can easily play you for a sucker. I've only read one novel I would consider great, The Brothers Karamazov.
Read non-fiction to the right and to the left, and some tough challenging books, and you will come out way ahead of the game. Short stories may be O.K, but most novels are just an elaborate ruse.
Book snob here. 'You read mostly for the social credit you can get out of it.'
Our house is full of novels and technical literature which i plan to read but usually put it off and reread something that i enjoyed before instead.
Untill 13 read only about planets, butterflies, animals etc
At 14 all pupils of our school were forced to read Crime&Punishment and War&Peace, i liked it and in the following years read almost all novels by that authors.
These days i read just about 3 or 4 new books per year, if not to count short stories, religious literature, and different articles in internet.
The next book i anticipate to read is another novel of Remarque. And currently i m on first pages of a short story 'The Movable Feast' by Hemingway, i m trying to read it in english, constantly checking russian version for the unfamiliar words. The feast is moving very slowly.
"Read non-fiction to the right and to the left, and some tough challenging books, and you will come out way ahead of the game. Short stories may be O.K, but most novels are just an elaborate ruse."
Couldn't disagree more. This is like saying, "Don't watch too many movies -- stick to documentaries," or "Avoid the art museum and instead concentrate on studying charts and graphs." For conservatives reading fiction (and poetry) is vital for the development of the moral imagination, since we believe that morality is related to the intuitive and the aesthetic, not just the rationalistic. The roll of thinkers who would support this idea is quite long, but would include Burke, Kirk, Roger Scruton, Chesterton, Lewis, Richard Weaver, Newman, T.S. Eliot, Allen Tate, George Steiner, Marion Montgomery...the list goes on and on. Note also that none of these folks is/was primarily a fiction writer, so they can't be accused of having a self-serving posture on this issue.
For a specific for-instance example, I'd argue that you can learn more about grace by reading, re-reading, and digesting Flannery O'Connor's works than by reading any number of theological tomes. Likewise, if you want to see what atheism and nihilism look like, you're better off going to Dostoevsky than to Bertrand Russell or Christopher Hitchens. Literature can be instructive in ways that nonfiction and merely 'factual' writing are not.
Another Obsessive-Compulsive Bookworm. :)
Rob, sigaliris, you're absolutely right. There's no substitute for fiction -- the best of it simply has more depth, more richness, more insight & understanding, than most non-fiction. This isn't a matter of being liberal or conservative, either. Non-fiction gives us facts, often in illuminating ways ... but fiction gives us truths, including ones alien to us. That's one of its greatest virtues, in fact. It allows us to enter into another's perspective, to experience other worlds, other modes of experience -- again, not just another set of facts, but the experience itself. Facts are what they are, quite straightforward, certainly useful -- but fiction is inexhaustible, offering new revelations as we grow older & experience more, and as we experience the work of fiction again & again.
I am a "dedicated reader." Though I mostly read non-fiction at the present time, there is nothing like good fiction. Being taken into another world in a way that is not merely intellectual is one of the truly great experiences of life. Woohoo! for reading.
It said I'm a book snob. I'm a non-fiction reader for the most part. I read to learn things most of the time.
I would love to take the quiz, but my computer won't let me in to it, keeps saying it can't find the page. Foo. Anyway, I read one or two books a week, roughly 50/50 fiction and non, would read a lot more if I had the time. I try not to go through multiple books at the same time, as I think that usually indicates I'm getting unfocused. That may just be me. Every few years I reread Joyce's Ulysses. I think I'm about due to reread War and Peace, especially since there is supposed to be a neat new translation out.
Hah! Finally got onto the quiz. I am a literate good citizen, which sounds about right. But some of the questions were artificially restricting.
It says I'm a Book Snob.
Wow.
((((grinning))))
Literate Good Citizen.
Also Literate Good Citizen
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