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[Erin] Sustainable Cetaceans?

Sunday November 18, 2007

Categories: Green living
For the first time in over four decades a fleet of four ships sailed this morning from Japan with the intention of hunting and killing up to fifty humpback whales (among an estimated total of about a thousand whales). The...
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Christopher Mohr
November 18, 2007 6:48 PM

well, considering that the Japanese government actually does deny that the whales will ever end up on the dinner table (though the Japanese government is pretty good about being two-faced), I think it would be reasonable to assume that there is no harm in this, if it is done sustainably. That is, of course, if the Japanese government isn'tactually going to sell the meat and use the blubber to make kerosene for that might be charitably described as space heaters (a very common source of heat in Japan). We know that the Japanese government is pretty good about obfuscating, and that they have no intention of hunting sustainably. So the answer is, hold off until the whale populations are larger, and unsustainably hunting practices are not going to hit the whales as hard as they have been.

Elizabeth Anne
November 18, 2007 7:21 PM

Ya know, here's the thing. I believe whales are, if not as intelligent as us, sentient animals. They have names for each other. They have a language that we're actually beginning to decode to a certain extent. I don't believe that culture can justify the killing and eating of a fully sentient species.

jemerr
November 18, 2007 7:36 PM

Certain cetacean species are in all likely hood sentient and self aware, though wholly alien to us. Cetacean have been observed utilizing tools and engaging in social learning/ teaching. I cannot not support whale hunting by the Japanese, as it involves killing a species that is very likely sentient, and that seems to be going the way of most tradition that have become representative of cultural obsolescence.

There is no more need for the Japanese to hunt whale than for the Europeans. Both have deep traditions of doing so, but it no longer serves a societal function of survival, or community cohesiveness.

It is not uncommon in the south for people to feel that cock and dog fighting are "traditional practices" as well.

We have collectively too many good and worthwhile traditions to keep to let these regressionist practices continue.

chris pash
November 18, 2007 8:37 PM

Humpback whales have learned to trust man in the forty-five years since we stopped hunting them.

If Japan carries out its aim of harpooning 50 humpback whales in the Antarctic this Southern Hemisphere Summer, the whale watching industry on Australia's east and west coasts will soon find out.

The humpbacks are the same as those who delight Australians each year and have created a $AU 300 million a year whale watching industry.

There is no benefit to mankind by killing these whales. Their meat won't help the poor ease their hunger but will grace the tables of the wealthy.
The killing is done in the name of science but is it science to kill the subject?
chris pash http://thelastwhale.blogspot.com

Lynn
November 18, 2007 9:15 PM

Dymphna on abortion:

"What stands out for me about the assignment is that I didn’t want to do it. Back then, in 1976, I knew what I thought: abortion was a “right” - why was I being made to tread that rutted track just to come up with the same old arguments? . . .

"That paper took months. It was back in the days before computers so I laboriously typed it out and kept a copy. Where it vanished in the several moves between then and now I have no idea. But I do remember being surprised by my conclusion, which I came to so reluctantly. Like Luther, I was stuck: in order to be true to my own ethical standards, I had to take a position that didn’t fit with my self-image as a feminist.

"As I remember, I spelled it out in my thesis on these grounds: since we have no idea when human life becomes actually “human” we would do better to err on the side of caution. Once all those millions of fetuses - if they are actually human beings - are gone; there is no bringing them back to life. And the harm done by our casual disposal of what turned out to be human life after all, accrues not to them but to us, those who are privileged and burdened with the responsibility of choice. . "

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/10/sometimes-you-just-have-to-hear-someone.html#readfurther

I agree with Dymphna on the issue of abortion, and I think the same argument applies here (and elsewhere). We simply do not know whether these creatures are self-aware or to what extent they are sentient. We make assumptions about such things because the alternative is really almost too horrible to imagine, but that's all it is - an assumption.
Would it really kill us to err consistently on the side of compassion -and caution - on issues of this kind?

Larry Parker
November 18, 2007 10:02 PM

I think most people's feelings about preserving endangered species has to do with the cuteness factor. I admit it's true for me, at least somewhat. Whales are cute (and even inspiring, look at the success of Whale Rider, a simultaneously Crunchy Con and Crunchy Lib movie if ever there was one).

Polar bears are adorable -- from a distance; obviously they're fierce and dangerous up close. But the adorable factor is why they have become the poster cub for those who believe in and want to try to do something about climate change.

(Side note: has anyone noticed how EVERY store in the universe is featuring polar bear merchandise for kids, even though most of them don't have a direct tie-in to The Golden Compass, the controversial children's movie we've discussed here on CC that both stars polar bears and advocates atheism? Rod **has** to write about that when he gets back ...)

I have a background in public relations. If someone said 40 or 30 years ago, as I might have, "Preserve the world's last dinosaurs, they're being hunted to extinction," there would have been an uproar in favor of it. I mean, living dinosaurs -- we have to keep them, right? They're the ultimate link to earth's past. (Unless you are fanatically anti-evolution in your beliefs, of course.)

And, indeed, alligators and crocodiles are that ultimate link. And the campaign to save them in the U.S., Australia and other countries succeeded anyway, without a catchy slogan. (I still like my idea, but Steve Irwin, rest his soul, managed to make the models for mythical dragons somewhat "cute" anyway.)

On the other hand ... on Sanibel Island in Florida (where the habitat allows alligators to grow to 13 or 14 feet), where several people have been killed in recent years -- and on any major body of water in Africa, where poor people must depend on the croc-infested rivers and lakes for washing clothes and potable water, and literally hundreds die every year -- people probably feel like they are living in Jurassic Park.

When the power was cut and the T-rexes and raptors came out for blood.

For all that, like the late and misnomered "Crocodile Hunter," I couldn't imagine living in a world without the leatherbags. (Their very nickname being indicative of an interesting example of "sustainability," as there are lots of crocodile "farms" around the world where crocs are raised and then killed for their skins.)

I also couldn't imagine living in a world without lions and tigers and other majestic man-eaters that, lacking reptilian scales, pass the cuteness test despite their ferocity.

As do polar bears, for that matter. Go figure.

mlyons619
November 18, 2007 10:07 PM

Where's the Rainbow Warrior when you really need her? Damn! Scuttled by the French.

John E.
November 18, 2007 10:10 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/18/AR2005061800890_pf.html

Some opinion polls show that younger generations of Japanese are more interested in conservation than culinary delights. The price for whale meat in Japan has decreased in recent years -- falling to $12 a pound in 2004 compared with $15 a pound in 1999. Demand for whale meat has been anemic. Last year, the industry put 20 percent of its 4,000-ton haul into frozen surplus.

So the government and pro-whaling groups have pumped cash into the promotion of eating whale meat. The government is spending about $5 million a year on such campaigns, while groups of housewives and other organizations are sponsoring whale cooking classes and related seminars to stimulate the market, according to officials and industry sources.

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Pro-whalers in Japan contend that commercial whaling would popularize the meat by making it more affordable.

But they concede that they will first need to change the views of many younger Japanese, who now tend to see the animals as creatures in need of protection.

"Most young Japanese do not recall the years after World War II when we were hungry and the Americans wanted us to eat whale to survive," said Yuriko Shiraishi, 72, head of Women's Forum for Fish. "The whale saved us then, but thousands of years before that, Japanese were eating whale. Now, the Japanese don't want to eat whale because they don't know about it as a delicious and healthy source of protein. That's what needs to change."

The pro-whalers have taken aim largely at Japan's schools. Schools in western Wakayama Prefecture, which has long been a base of the whaling industry, this year began regularly serving whale meat for lunch. Dozens of schools nationwide will host whale seminars this year like the one at Takadate Elementary School in Natori, a suburb of the city of Sendai, about 280 miles north of Tokyo. At that school, children receive a scientific lecture on whales before enjoying a whale-meat snack. But if the parents and students here are any gauge, mass marketing of whale meat may yet be a hard sell.

"I think it's okay to have these small events so we can pass down our past whaling tradition to the children, but I am not in favor of restarting commercial whaling," said Tomoko Yanai, 45, who has two children. "The meat is delicious. I used to eat it when I was in school. But whales are precious animals and now I feel they should be protected."

rombald
November 19, 2007 2:39 AM

I lived in Japan for a long time. Whaling is one of these nationalistic buttons that the hard-right knows it can use to get the populace going: "Why are they telling us what to eat?", etc. I even met people who thought that not eating whale was a Christian taboo, like Hindus not eating beef.

Basically, I don't have much sympathy with the J-nat view. Japan didn't have much of a whaling industry until the early 20th C; there was some small-scale whaling, but the Atlantic fringe of Europe has more of a claim to ancient whaling cultures.

Having said that, I'm not 100% sure of the case against whaling, especially if one eats other mammal meat. Actually, I don't eat meat (I do eat fish occasionally). Anyhow, even a full-blow PETA vegan is responsible for killing animals - just think of all the ground-nesting birds and small mammals killed when the wheat is harvested. I find it very hard to achieve consistency on this issue.

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