Frank Schaeffer's memoir "Crazy For God" has finally been published. Anybody had a chance to read it yet? I read it in galleys earlier this year, and I was really taken by it. As you know, I'm not an Evangelical,...
It's interesting that you pointed to this as the apocalyptic and separatist views of the US that Schaeffer rejects are very characteristic of the views expressed on this blog.
We all live and we all grow.
william
November 2, 2007 7:44 PM
I am not a reader of his father's, so this does not shake my world particularly.
I will say that Frank Schaeffer is startlingly unfilial. Between the hints he dropped in his novels and this new round of revelations he seems determined to have a second career through dumping on his parents' imperfections. Call me old-fashioned, but this sort of confessional "honesty," pioneered by Rousseau, is a wickedly clever way of advertising one's own moral superiority while not actually forgoing the pleasure and profit of wallowing in the mire.
Don Altabello
November 2, 2007 8:09 PM
I'm not sure what I think about a son revealing the fact that his father was hot-tempered and abusive. Personally, I only talk about family business when it is with a close friend/priest and I need someone to talk to. That said, it is a memoir...
Frankly, some of the ways he describes the religious right reminds me of the tendencies of some conservative Catholics. Witness the promotion of the movie Therese a couple of years ago and now Bella. I've seen the former, and I was thoroughly got embarassed sitting in the movie theater. Bella seems to be better, but I noticed that with Therese the writers were telling Barb Nicolosi that she didn't have faith, and now she is demon possessed. Wow, what a joke! It seems to me to betray some of our weaknesses. On a broader political scale, I think it is important that Catholicism (or any other religion) is not a cause (or "convenient ideology", as Ratzinger put it), and is much less a political cause. It is a faith, which transfers into a way of life. Quite frankly, this is the reason, given my stage in life, that I would much rather listen to individuals such as Frs. Groeschel or Corapi than the high profile, arm chair apologists.
Rod--a couple of weeks ago you posted a story about some people moving out to a traditionalist monastery in Oklahoma, and I expressed a lot of skepticism toward laymen doing such a thing. What I have just said underscores such skepticism. I think that sometimes shutting oneself often leads to self-righteousness, and a sort of us against them mentality in the absolute sense.
elizabeth
November 2, 2007 8:30 PM
Don - your last sentence: exactly the same thing happens on the left side of the equation. I chafe when some of the folks on this blog pull out accusations of PC-ism - even when Rod does it. That said, it is often true.
brian
November 2, 2007 9:11 PM
My impression is that Francis Schaeffer wasn't pleased with the beast he helped create (the Religious Right).
Simon
November 2, 2007 9:38 PM
I think that sometimes shutting oneself often leads to self-righteousness, and a sort of us against them mentality in the absolute sense.
One of the things I appreciate most about Rod's blog is that it's one of the rare places online where people of sharply divergent world-views meet and exchange ideas in a more or less civil tone.
Most blogs just narrow their readers' minds. They link to dozens of other blogs, which in turn links to dozens of other blogs, practically all of which share the same general outlook on life (Left, Right, Libertarian, or whatever). Pretty soon the blog addict starts to think everybody who has any common sense thinks this way. The Otherside must be merely an evil cabal of [Fill in your favorite demon].
Rod Dreher
November 2, 2007 9:58 PM
It's interesting that you pointed to this as the apocalyptic and separatist views of the US that Schaeffer rejects are very characteristic of the views expressed on this blog.
We all live and we all grow.
That's why I chose them. I don't necessarily agree with Schaeffer's take, of course, though he does make me think critically about my own views. I want to be open to the possibility that I am too severe in my critique, and to make adjustments accordingly.
Joe
November 2, 2007 10:10 PM
Well, It has been some time since I've read a book by Frank Schaeffer. I was always under the impression (as most readers seem to be) that he was a bit angry and unbalanced. In Orthodoxy, he is not considered to a mainstream speaker. I have to confess also that the only book by his father that I read was "Escape from Reason," which I thought was one of the worst, most shallow, pseudo-intellectual screeds I've ever read.
Mark Noll wrote a book, "The Scandal of the Evangelical Mind," in which he said, "The scandal of the evangelical mind is that there is no evangelical mind," and I wonder, as someone raised evangelical and quite familiar with evangelical literature if he isn't correct. There is just something in the American Evangelical intellectual culture that kills brain cells. A prime example of this is the great number of evangelical polemical tomes that cite only secondary literature that agrees with them (yes, I've read 500 pg. tomes on systematic theology that condemned Karl Barth, Paul Tillich, and Catholicism as evil and from the devil; yet the author only cited other authors who had the same opinions of Barth, Tillich, Catholicism with no really serious investigation of primary sources).
I just thank God I'm not an evangelical anymore. I haven't read this current book by Schaeffer but honestly, I don't know how much I can trust as being accurate. Too many evangelicals (and ex-evangelicals) are incapable of writing a book without a strong, imposing agenda. Yes, I say it as one raised Southern Baptist, that most (not all) evangelical and fundamentalist writing is not worth taking seriously.
Joe
rr
November 2, 2007 10:12 PM
quote: "In other words, the Religious Right was as negative and anti-American as anybody I ever talked to on the Left."
I grew up as an Evangelical (Dobson was a big influence on my parents), and I don't think this is the case at all. Indeed, I would argue that one of the Religious Right's biggest flaws is that it wraps itself in the American flag and mixes religious piety with patriotism. For example, it is not uncommon to see American flags flown outside Evangelical churches or placed inside their sanctuaries. In addition, they often have "patriotic services" on the Fourth of July and Memorial Day. It's one thing to honor military service or give thanks we live in a free country, but in my experience these services go way overboard and it's often hard to say where worship of God and love of country part ways in them. Ironically, most Evangelicals wouldn't dream of celebrating any church holiday besides Christmas and Easter (other days like Ascension or Pentecost are too Catholic), but they make a big deal out of the Fourth of July.
It's also worth pointing out that the Religious Right tends to believe a lot of half-truths about American History. They tend to say that America was founded as a "christian nation" and that the founding fathers were all pious christians. Of course, some of the founding fathers were devout christians and as a group they weren't proto-PC ACLU types with regard to public expressions of religion. But many of them were Enlightenment deists types and unitarians and wouldn't exactly fit in at a Southern Baptist church.
It's true that the Religious Right strongly criticizes America for the immorality they see in American society (and I generally agree with much of their criticism). But I don't see them as the other side of the coin to the far Left's hatred of the United States. If anything, the Religious Right is darn near idolatrous with its mixture of religion and patriotism.
rr
Joe
November 2, 2007 10:28 PM
rr,
Well said. I entirely agree with what you say. I will only add that the religious right's criticism of the lack of morality in the US is selective. They are notoriously silent on corporate greed and unjust war. American Evangelicalism, on the whole has this problem that they are much too influenced by too faulty ideological/theological views: Zionism and the "manifest destiny" notion that the US is God's chosen agent to bring Christianity to the world. This is what I was taught growing up. Basically I was taught that Jesus loves two nationa, the US and Israel, and Jesus only loves the US if the US fulfills two conditions:
1) unconditionally supports Israel and never criticizes anything that Israel does
2) continues to send out missionaries to Latin America and other heathen countries (Like Eastern Europe) that have never heard the true Gospel. And yes folks, according to most evangelicals, Catholics and Orthodox are not true Christians and so they are fair game for prosyletization.
This is also why the religious right is fiercely anti-communist and pro-war. I even had a baptist pastor tell me a few years ago that the Iraq war was for the purpose of spreading the Gospel to those Iraqis whove never heard it before (never mind that Iraq has one of the oldest indigenous churches in Christendom).
Yes I think that Evangelical Christianity is nationalistic, heretical, and mostly bad for people. As an Orthodox Christian, I appreciate the fact that most Evangelicals worship the Trinity and believe in the Deity of Christ. But other than that, they are a false American cult.
Joe
Paul C. Quillman
November 2, 2007 11:26 PM
Rod,
I have read some interviews that Franky has given, and read some articles on his growing up. I was raised neo-evangellical (Dobson, Falwell), so I understand your wife being troubled. At the end of the day, Francis and Edith Schaeffer were human beings, in desparate need of the Grace and Mercy of Jesus, as all of us are.
I have read several of Francis Schaeffer's works. He really is quite brilliant. He is theologially Reformed, except for escatology. As he is credited with much of the beginings of the modern religous right movement, his adherence to pre mil escatology is part of the problem.
Paul C. Quillman
November 2, 2007 11:35 PM
I still consider myself evangellical, but now after the mold of Calvin, Luther, Chalmers and Kuyper. However my escatology is as reformed as the rest of my theology. Schaeffers escatology skewed some of his methods and remedies. And I am sure that it affected how he raised his family. Prof that we all need the Gospel, in spite of our brilliance.
Still, Schaeffer correctly identified post-modernism before it was even on the radar of the evangellical world.
Paul C. Quillman
Max Schadenfreude
November 3, 2007 9:38 AM
My escatology = knowing neither the day nor the hour.
Gil Garza
November 3, 2007 10:14 AM
"Bush is personally responsible for the displacement of the Christian minority in Iraq."
Call me crazy, but it seems to me that Muslim terrorists are personally responsible for the displacement of the Christian minority in Iraq.
Blaming Bush for the actions of Islamic terrorists in the Middle East is like blaming Bloomberg for the crime in New York City. If Bloomberg wouldn't stir up the criminals by arresting them, they wouldn't bother us so much.
rr
November 3, 2007 10:36 AM
Joe,
I agree with your additions regarding corporate greed (not to mention American consumerism), war, and Israel. I find some of the extreme Dispensationalist views of Israel (John Hagee, etc.) to be heretical as well because they make nonsense of the new covenant.
Evangelicalism is problematic for a number of reasons. But I wouldn't go so far as to call it a false American cult (that honor goes to the Mormons and JWs). Instead, I would argue that most Evangelicals are, as Catholics would say, "invincibly ignorant" to the theological errors of their tradition. Most Evangelicals, including many of my own family members, don't know or understand any other form of Christianity but their own. They don't know much about the Reformation (conservative Lutheranism for example is alien to them), much less Catholicism or Orthodox, so I think ignorance is an important factor.
rr
Don Altabello
November 3, 2007 10:58 AM
"Call me crazy, but it seems to me that Muslim terrorists are personally responsible for the displacement of the Christian minority in Iraq."
Gil--the problem is that we went in there and upset the balance of power, specifically setting in action a chain of events that has allowed for the mass displacement of Christian minorities. The only thing this war has done and will do is to replace something bad with something worse. Frank is right about this one--we've gone into an area and fought a war that is the specific cause of disproportionate worse effects.
Stop obfuscating the issue--this is deadly serious, especially because of the number of Christians displaced and the fact that they have probably been there since the second or third centuries.
Lynn
November 3, 2007 11:43 AM
Don said:
"Gil--the problem is that we went in there and upset the balance of power, specifically setting in action a chain of events that has allowed for the mass displacement of Christian minorities."
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The cleansing of non-muslims has been going on for a very long time in many parts of the islamic world. Bush’s war may have been the catalyst for this particular episode, but it’s not accurate to place all the blame on Bush without also acknowlegding the role that traditional Islamic theology plays in justifying such actions. For a lot of these people (islamic supremacists), Islam dictates the terms of the relationship between muslims and unbelievers, NOT President Bush.
Rob G
November 3, 2007 12:41 PM
"The cleansing of non-muslims has been going on for a very long time in many parts of the islamic world. Bush’s war may have been the catalyst for this particular episode, but it’s not accurate to place all the blame on Bush without also acknowlegding the role that traditional Islamic theology plays in justifying such actions. For a lot of these people (islamic supremacists), Islam dictates the terms of the relationship between muslims and unbelievers, NOT President Bush."
Exactly, Lynn. See William Dalrymple's 1998 book "From the Holy Mountain" on the plight of the Middle Eastern Christians for accounts of this that long predate Bush. This type of thing has been going on since Islam's inception (and before anyone says anything, yes, I know that Christians have been guilty of this on occasion too. However, in Christianity it's an aberration, in Islam it's policy.)
Anonymous
November 3, 2007 1:26 PM
So much for 'Honor your father and mother.'
Almost all of Schaeffer's literary output has been at the expense of his parents.
And I love him casting judgement on a phalanx of 'right-wingers' based on twenty year old memories of a young and passionate artist. So much for extending any hospitable benefit of the doubt.
He may be well-intentioned in his own mind, but his ongoing rehabilitation from his parents makes him seem like nothing as much as a jerk.
If he was not Greek Orthodox, I doubt he would find favor here.
Don Altabello
November 3, 2007 1:36 PM
Nobody denies that Muslims are culpable for their own actions regarding the displacement of Christian minorities. But--there is no denying that the invasion of Iraq has given radicals both the political power and the political will (foreigners from a "christian" country) to do such things.
The point is that no good has come from this war--you don't go off waging a war based on abstract slogans while not even considering the adverse consequences. A war that makes a problem worse is not just.
Give Muslims extremists "freedom"--and this is what you get.
Lynn
November 3, 2007 1:51 PM
Don said:
"Give Muslims extremists "freedom"--and this is what you get."
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Sure can't argue with that - and it's just as true in the "west" as it is in Iraq . . .
Caroline
November 3, 2007 6:31 PM
The part of the Schaeffer interview which resonated with me dealt with the glee of the doomsayers. Maybe the doomsayers are right about the evil times but their sheer glee over the impending punishments when they should mourn is disgusting. And today we have the glee constantly coming at us in the guise of pious warning. It all reminds me of how annoyed Jonah was with God when He backed off destroying Nineveh once the Ninevehites repented. Jonah actually would have preferred to see them destroyed! Christ wept over Jerusalem as he foresaw the destruction of Jerusalem. I would like to see Him surprise/shock my fellow Christians as the Old Testament God surprised Jonah.
This attitude of glee in the impending punishment of the "wicked" is nothing peculiar to some forms of evangelicalism. I remember it well from my Catholic girlhood, nuns in the late 40's predicting to classes of little children the destruction of the world because of immodest clothes in the shops and Hollywood stars kissing each other on the pages of Life Magazine and on and on. Much of it was tied to Marian devotion, particularly Fatima. God, Jesus, Mary were never ever pleased with anything which went on on earth. Always frowning. Nothing good ever happened. And this piled on and on to young children who still had to make their way through the world. In retrospect I wonder if some of it wasn't inspired by sheer envy of youth on the part of age. They didn't turn me away from Catholicism, I believe because there was always a commonsense Lutheran mother at home, but in retrospect, now at age 70, I thank God every day for the overall sanity of VII in Catholicism. Maybe Latin was better and the music was lovlier and the piety was prettier and the ritual was more dignified, but there was something in there underneath it all which was getting pretty ugly and hell -bending had it not been corrected.
Don Altabello
November 3, 2007 6:50 PM
"Don said:
"Give Muslims extremists "freedom"--and this is what you get."
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Sure can't argue with that - and it's just as true in the "west" as it is in Iraq . . . "
We're not talking about the west--we're talking about Iraq or, more aptly put, about what has been unleashed in Iraq because of the actions of Bush and the Congress.
Neo-conservatives can go around crowing all they want, defending Bush all they want, and rallying around the party all they want, but Frank is correct, the war has only made Islamic radicalism a bigger problem for the United States, and in turn displaced over three quarters of an ancient Eastern christian population.
People on this blog who defend Bush can split hairs about moral culpability all night long, but the result of the Iraq War is Bush's legacy. And that pitiful legacy will take the rest of the conservative movement down the toilet with it (and I have a stake in that).
Betty Carter
November 3, 2007 7:08 PM
Rod, I wrote a review of it for Books and Culture (coming out in December or January), so I don't want to give away too much that I said there (as if anybody would care, but hey it makes me feel so important to say so and also I won't have to type as much). I'm a lifelong evangelical, author of my own weirdness-of-childhood memoir (Home is Always the Place You Just Left--HIGHLY recommended here of course), and married to a missionary kid who grew up in Japan. My husband and I both loved Frank Schaeffer's memoir, just as we love his novels. Not that he's less of a jerk than he ever was--he's genetically prone to megalomania, so we forgive him for that. And not that we agree with all of his politics; when he starts waxing Laocoonic I start yawning. The thing is, he's a really great storyteller and when he comes down from the rooftops he's simply great at capturing the craziness of growing up in a ministry family. Also, it used to be that evangelicals placed extreme emphasis on moral perfection(my parents never drank, smoke, said any cuss words including "darn" or "heavens" and just barely believed that it was o.k. to play Crazy Eights). I don't think that the Victorian holdover standards were ALL bad--I had a very happy childhood--but of course most people couldn't live by those rules without a lot of hypocrisy. It's much better for us to grow up and see people like the Schaeffers as flesh and blood human beings.
Anonymous
November 3, 2007 10:00 PM
"The cleansing of non-muslims has been going on for a very long time in many parts of the islamic world. Bush’s war may have been the catalyst for this particular episode, but it’s not accurate to place all the blame on Bush without also acknowlegding the role that traditional Islamic theology plays in justifying such actions. For a lot of these people (islamic supremacists), Islam dictates the terms of the relationship between muslims and unbelievers, NOT President Bush."
Uh, call me crazy, but Iraq was a Muslim country where, prior to the Iraq war, Christians were not persecuted (wasn't Saddam's foreign minister and, later, deputy prime minister Tariq Aziz a Christian?). And "traditional Islamic theology" is quite explicit about Christians and Jews (and to a certain extent Zoroastrians) as "People of the Book" who were granted legal status under Muslim rule. To be sure, they were politically second-class citizens, but this was progressive for its time. After all, non-Christians in Europe had absolutely no legal status at the time, by contrast. There are and always have been Christians everywhere in the Muslim world (in Syria, among the Palestinians, and so on). This is not to deny violence against religious minorities over the course of Islam's more than 1300 year history ~ but such violence is grossly over-stated (and mis-stated) by many American conservatives. The Muslim conquest of Central Asia, for example, did not result in forced conversion. In fact, the overwhelmingly Buddhist population became overwhelmingly Muslim only beginning with the generation following the conquest - and not as a result of violence specifically aimed at conversion.
And, on a related note, to suggest that violence against religious minorities is an "aberration" in Christianity over the course of its 2000 year history is to display a remarkable ignorance of Christian history (or European history more broadly). That is not to say that violence characterizes Christianity. It is only to suggest that, as in the case of Islam above, we should be very careful to paint Christian and Islamic communities (and I emphasize the plural here) and their histories with single, broad brush-strokes.
Besides, in the case of Islam, it makes more sense to emphasize those elements of "traditional Islamic theology" that are compatible with or amenable to the values that make possible harmonious living in a pluralistic and complex world, thereby isolating extremists as much as possible. Anyone who thinks this impossible knows nothing of Islam.
Eric W
November 3, 2007 10:36 PM
Re: whether our invasion of Iraq caused the problem for Christians, from an Orthodox discussion board this week comes this comment (in a topic about U.S. support for Israel):
"I remember an Orthodox Palestinian seminarian serving in our church who said that the Muslims told him that their battle with the Israelis would precede their conflict with the Palestinian Christians (who are only a minority of about 100,000)."
I.e., Muslims are intent on destroying Christians, whether we give them the opportunity or not.
Joe
November 3, 2007 10:43 PM
>he's genetically prone to megalomania, so we forgive him for that.
This does make it all click. Thanks!
Donald
November 3, 2007 10:44 PM
"See William Dalrymple's 1998 book "From the Holy Mountain" on the plight of the Middle Eastern Christians for accounts of this that long predate Bush. This type of thing has been going on since Islam's inception (and before anyone says anything, yes, I know that Christians have been guilty of this on occasion too. However, in Christianity it's an aberration, in Islam it's policy.)"
Funny you'd cite Dalrymple. He's very critical of Islamophobes. I haven't read the book you cite (and I'd like to read much more of him from the little I have read), but I suspect he's the sort who just tells the truth about the horrible things done in the name of religion, without taking that next step that you took and saying it is inherent in one religion and an aberration in the other. Funny thing about Christianity--I agree that when Christians commit atrocities it is an aberration in the sense that this isn't what Christ wants, but the plain fact is that Christians have been committing and supporting atrocities in the name of Christ for 2000 years and it hasn't stopped yet.
As for Islam, unless it really did come from God it is whatever its adherents make it. Some choose to focus on the violent passages in the Koran and they have the religion they want. Others choose to interpret it differently. Good for them.
Getting back to Dalyrmple, his most recent book is on the Indian Mutiny in 1857--he blames evangelical Christian bigotry for helping to incite it, and Christian bigots for the massacres they committed in response to Indian massacres of Europeans. Dalrymple strikes me as a very clear-thinking guy.
Lynn
November 4, 2007 9:35 AM
"Uh, call me crazy, but Iraq was a Muslim country where, prior to the Iraq war, Christians were not persecuted (wasn't Saddam's foreign minister and, later, deputy prime minister Tariq Aziz a Christian?). And "traditional Islamic theology" is quite explicit about Christians and Jews (and to a certain extent Zoroastrians) as "People of the Book" who were granted legal status under Muslim rule. To be sure, they were politically second-class citizens, but this was progressive for its time."
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There's more to the story, no doubt, but it seems to me that a good portion of the recent exodus is, in reality, a response to efforts by some muslims to RE-IMPOSE true dhimmi status on non-muslim communities after a period of historic abeyance under some largely secular governments (like Iraq's former government, as you point out). . . For instance, a muslim committed to islamic government might ask, "have the kuffir ceased all proselytizing? Have they adopted all appropriate islamic norms regarding dress and conduct? Have they accepted Islamic law and do they feel themselves properly subdued by it? Are they paying protection money (jizyah) to the local islamic authorities in exchange for their security?" On that score, I’ll bet dollars to doughnuts many of these communities received a letter or some other "official" message asking them to either convert or to begin paying such a tax to some local islamist group before the threats/kidnappings/killings began in earnest. Look up Q 9:29 - it’s laid out in detail there and elsewhere. Those sorts of threats are VERY difficult to counter, even if the larger muslim community was completely committed to stopping it (which may, or may NOT, be the case depending on the region.)
And yes! Your absolutely right, it's possible to manage life as a dhimmi, if your lucky enough to be a person of the book*, and by the standards of the 7th century or even the 15th, it really isn't half bad, but it's often MUCH easier to simply convert or to leave, especially these days. And, in truth, that's what dhimmitude is designed to do, isn't it? Grind down a non-muslim population through political exclusion, restrictions on religious activities, persecution through blasphemy laws, population loss though marital laws which often give muslim males access to multiple kuffir women while restricting the marital rights of muslim women and infidel men (though, I believe there were probably times when some islamic government or other was making so much money off their dhimmis that they really weren't motivated to convert them). Ask pretty much any Copt - they can explain how the whole thing works.
Anyway, it's a process that usually takes its toll over generations - though, at present, we seem to be in a particularly acute period. (Maybe a bit like a 'market correction' following last century's fevered wave of secularisation. . . ? Who knows.)
*For those who are NOT fortuneate enough to be considered "people of the book," the reality of islamic rule can be truly awful. Here's an article by Paul Marshall of the Week Standard describing recent actions by the Iranian regime aimed at systematically WIPING OUT the Bahais, (all in accordance with traditional islamic law, of course):
" . . . The regime continued to persecute the Baha'is, as well as other religious minorities, and parts of this plan were carried out--including their exclusion from universities and many jobs. But now the government's program has entered a more intensive and systematic phase. An October 29, 2005, confidential letter sent on Khamenei's instructions by Major General Hossein Firuzabadi, chairman of the Command Headquarters of the Armed Forces, ordered the Ministry of Information, the Revolutionary Guard, and the Police Force to "acquire a comprehensive and complete report" to identify all Baha'is.
On August 19, 2006, Mohammad-Reza Mavvalizadeh, director of the Ministry of the Interior's Political Office, ordered provincial governors' security officers to monitor Baha'i "social activities" and sent out a questionnaire to collect details of Baha'i incomes and occupations, and even burial locations. At about the same time, referring to the 1991 plan, Asghar Zari'i, director general of the Ministry of Science, Research and Technology's Central Security Office, ordered 81 universities to expel any Baha'i students and report back to confirm that they had done so. . . .
Because Baha'is are held, as apostates, to be religiously unclean, they were also to be banned from "catering at reception halls," restaurants and cafes, grocery stores, pastry, coffee, and kebab shops, and ice cream parlors. Finally, for reasons unclear, they must be excluded from "stamp making," "childcare," and "real estate," as well as cultural areas.
Baha'is are under other pressures. . .Banks are closing their accounts and refusing loans. This summer in Kermanshah, according to an account on news.bahai.org, "a 70-year-old man was sentenced to 70 lashes and a year in prison for 'propagating and spreading Bahaism and the defamation of the pure Imams.' In Mazandaran, a court has once again ruled against three women and a man who are charged with 'propagation on behalf of an organization which is anti-Islamic.'" On September 9 and 10, the government bulldozed one of their cemeteries near Isfahan, while in Yazd in July another was extensively damaged by earth-moving equipment. . . .
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But Iran's growing systematic campaign against Baha'is suggests something more. These regulations and restrictions are not haphazard but are systematically structured and, as such, are remarkably reminiscent of the Nazi Nuremberg Laws imposed against Jews in the 1930s. They are steps toward the destruction of a religious community, and they require the international condemnation and pressure that the Nuremberg Laws did not receive."
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Yes, dhimmitude does have its advantages. Too bad the Bahai don't qualify.
Lynn
November 4, 2007 9:52 AM
"And, on a related note, to suggest that violence against religious minorities is an "aberration" in Christianity over the course of its 2000 year history is to display a remarkable ignorance of Christian history (or European history more broadly)"
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If you read my comment, you'll notice that I actually didn't suggest that - but I've read some pretty good articles that do. Here's one, by Raymond Ibrahim:
The degree of violence in the history of religions is not that relevant to the persecution of Christian minorities, at least in the context of the present time. I do think that in the name of "equality", people uncritically assume or conclude that if, for instance, Islam is violent, then well, Christianity is just as much so.
Certainly all or at least most influential organizations, institutions, or structures have their faults and some violence, if they exist for any length of time.
The article Lynn posted makes a good point--the Crusades (at least the general concept of the Crusades) were in response to centuries of unprovoked Muslim aggression against Christian Europe. The entire Eastern empire had been sacked, and the Moors had, at varying points, conquered at least half and sometimes most of Spain (they even went up into France and Austria at one point). It is a common mistake to assume that the Crusades were representative unprovoked aggression. In large part, they were a failed venture.
Donald
November 4, 2007 3:58 PM
There were a couple of points in that Frontpage article that I agreed with. It's true that Christianity, properly understood, doesn't endorse violence. And it's true that the real problem is with humans.
The rest was silly. Christians have been killing and persecuting and slaughtering others in the name of their religion for nearly 2000 years. And they often cite Bible verses to justify it. I can say this is wrong but it keeps happening. Much of the long persecution of the Jews was justified by specific New Testament passages which do sound antisemitic. As for the Old Testament, it's pretty weak to say that "Yeah, God did order the slaughter of every man, woman, and child of some particular cultures, but He only meant them. It can't happen later." Whatever I might make of those verses and of that argument, the fact is that it set an example for many Christians later to justify the slaughter of innocents in later holy wars. And Christians right up to the present still justify terror and unjust violence by citing Scripture.
As for Islam, if it's not a real revelation from God then it's a man-made religion and as such, it can be interpreted in multiple ways. Those who want justification for violence in the Koran will find it and those who want to find justification for a more peaceful loving religion can find that too. It's not that different from the Bible in that respect--the difference is that those of us who think the Bible really does come from God would argue that the violence-justifiers are misusing it. Which hasn't stopped it from happening over and over again.
In fact, if you adopt the viewpoint of the Frontpage article, the great many Muslims who do believe and act as though Islam is a religion of peace are more to be admired than the great many Christians (some in the US) who think Christianity gives support for this or that atrocity. The peaceful Muslims start out with a handicap reading the wrong holy book and they still act more like Christians than a great many Christians do.
Eric W
November 4, 2007 11:08 PM
Interesting review of the book by Jane Smiley in THE NATION:
www.thenation.com/doc/20071015/smiley
AnotherBeliever
November 5, 2007 2:52 AM
I honestly have no time to read the entire interview as I'm hopping military flights all over this lovely region of the world (the military excels at making one day trips into three days) and the internet cafes have a time limit. But I'd like to comment on two quotes, the first given by the interviewer:
"You argue in the book that such people want the world to go badly. They want the apocalyptic view to prevail—the idea that the world will be embroiled in chaos and violence. "
At sixteen, I left the Catholic church for evangelical Christianity. My differences with the Church were really only the basic Protests of Luther, but the evangelical movement was the most present and the most convincing and I permitted myself to be swept along with most of the agenda. I hesitate to blame that on being young and impressionable, as there are plenty of wiser and older men and women who hold to all the precepts of the Evangelical faith with good logical defenses. Perhaps I should just call my move into the whole agenda which is sold with it as underexamined. Coming back out the other side, then, the main thing I have AGAINST the movement in America today is its fatalism stemming from an obsession with premillenialism. "The world is going to heck in a handbasket," the preachers shout, "it's right there in Revelation! Why worry about the environment? We are getting a new heaven and a new earth anyway!"
More insiduous and darker: "Why worry about the impact of our wars on women and children and innocent civilians? Our national security is what is important, and besides Armageddon MUST occur before the great and glorious appearing of our Savior! It's all for the greater good!"
They make these arguments seem almost plausible, and many Americans buy it, hook line and sinker. Except for their complete and utter lack of the self-sacrificing Love without which Christianity is meaningless or worse.
And then there is this, posted by Donald:
"... the great many Muslims who do believe and act as though Islam is a religion of peace are more to be admired than the great many Christians (some in the US) who think Christianity gives support for this or that atrocity. The peaceful Muslims start out with a handicap reading the wrong holy book and they still act more like Christians than a great many Christians do."
I leave that as it stands, and wish that more of you had met and ate with and worked with as many Muslims as I have, many of whom in their exceeding love have outdone us Christians, to their credit, notwithstanding the darkness which is preached from some Muslim pulpits around the world.
Aimee N
November 5, 2007 2:48 PM
I've read to chapter 40 of Crazy for God, and actually came online looking to see what other Christians are saying about it.
Most of the comments here are typical: fights about Christians and Muslims, etc...
Unlike "Betty Carter" who wrote a review of the book, I am an unknown reader of the book, of all Frank's books.
I agree with her take on it though. I guess I missed out on the honor code that says you must never speak ill of your parents. Oh, lemme guess, that is the 5th commandment.
Well ok, good, then all you have to do is write off Frank and this book by quoting the 5th commandment, saying he doesn't obey it, thus he and the book are bad.
Fine for you.
I find it very interesting, as I do many people's works/books, who are honest and funny.
I don't see what he has said that is so damaging to his parents anyway. So Edith was a bit (or way) over the top in a Martha Stewart kind of way. And Francis was overly absorbed with his work. And oh my, yelled or threw a pot, got mad, was rude to Edith. I think it's *funny* to hear about his childhood, ESPECIALLY at L'Abri. I mean, c'mon, wouldn't you EXPECT some of the kinds of things to happen that he talks about, at some chalet in the 60s and 70s in Switzerland, filled with "seekers" and donors and helpers and extended family, etc...?
What great chapters on Frank's experience at Great Walstead, one of the few schools he ever actually attended. And how he met Genie...it's a great book, if you enjoy listening to other people's stories.
Rod Dreher
November 5, 2007 8:17 PM
Some brave Anonymous commenter wrote:
If he was not Greek Orthodox, I doubt he would find favor here.
If I made such an asinine comment, I'd want it to be anonymous too. Frank Schaeffer barely mentions his Orthodoxy in the book. I read it because I found the topic interesting, and started the first chapter ... and couldn't put it down. I know from my Evangelical friends that the Schaeffers are a very big deal, and I find the anger and frustration that the author has over having been raised a Preacher's Kid to be pretty interesting on a human level.
Of course, this commenter probably thinks anyone who doesn't like "Bella" can only have made that judgment because he wants to see unborn babies die.
RRS
November 19, 2007 12:42 AM
Well, I just finished actually reading the book and many, many reviews, which I researched online after reading the book. Wanted to read what others were saying about the book. I was troubled by the angry tone, but anger toward parental failure I understand, having been nursed at the breast of this Off-Spring Tells-All-Ala-Oprah-or-Springer American culture. Despite Schaeffer’s European upbringing and alleged ignorance of all things American until he and Genie moved to the north east, he certainly fell right into that badly American habit. The next matter which troubled me was the self-righteousness: for those he utterly disdains, he is scathing and brutal. For his own failures, he is magnanimously understated, choosing to describe his failures and flaws as mere matters to his discredit.
He mis-remembers the conservative Christian evangelical culture. It is not, never has been, anti-American. In point of fact, the opposite is true. Foreign missionaries have often marveled to me at the fervent nationalism present in evangelical circles and speak of it as a discredit to the American Evangelical Christian. As an aside, Evangelicals believe they fight for the very soul and life of America’s future, for the underlying purpose of the gospel: if America falls to the left, then the very ability of the Christians to live out the gospel, whether in the evangelical context or liturgical context is lost. But, I digress.
Another point which troubled me occurred after I read the book and after I perused the internet. In the between time of reading the book and sitting down to the internet, I wrestled with his book, his attitude and the defeatist existentialism inherent in the book’s tone. Is he just an angry son or is he sincerely wrestling with deeper issues, I wondered to myself? However, once in the realm of the internet, my heart sank. He is neither. In his book, he decries the materialism, huckster qualities, and greedy salesmanship of the evangelical movement. He goes so far as to write about his supposed superiority by refusing to return to his previous exploitations even though he is flat broke and failing in his professional endeavors. From this, I suppose, the reader is to presume his moral superiority to those who hawk their goods in Christian circles.
But isn’t that exactly what he’s doing by hawking his book? He’s just doing it by backing into it instead of walking in the front door. Search the web, and you’ll find the many interviews and reviews which rely on his Christian credentials, political credentials, and family name for the validity of the book. He’s shamelessly exploiting the book with absolutely no difference from the worst of what he decries. This just a way to make money. As he himself states in the book, the ACLU needs the stupidity of Right to raise money and the Rutherford Institute needs the stupidity of the Left to raise money; life is good for both sides when there’s a big fight. In his book, to sell his book and make money, Schaeffer relies on the hatred and disdain the Left feels for the Right to read and discuss his book, and he relies on the outrage of the Right regarding the book’s the name calling and animosity to leaders in the Right to push book sales. This book is nothing more than an aging star’s sequel in order to make a quick buck and shore up a sagging bank account.
As a believer in the Lord Jesus, I have lived out my faith on the front lines of the pro-family movement and the political movement, and we have had many crushing moral failures and theological failures, there is absolutely no question. But human failures do not translate into philosophical failures, and Schaeffer’s attack I place in the same category as I place other human failings of other Christians. He is wrong, and he is failing the body of Christ by his exploitation. I have much more to say, but it is too long for this thread. In the end, pervasive sadness greets me when I think of this man and his book. What a shame.
The Writerly Pause
November 20, 2007 9:51 AM
I just finished reading the whole thing. I have also read his 3 Calvin Becker novels, as well as Baby Jack and his military book that he wrote with Kathy Roth-Doquet.
We'll be interviewing him December 1.
Artist@Large
November 20, 2007 3:35 PM
I agree with the World Magazine reader (responding to the World Magazine interview with Frank Schaeffer that can be found via this link http://www.worldmag.com/articles/13401) who said:
"I'm sure I'm not the only one who wishes Frank Schaeffer would grow up. A 300-page book telling us that his parents (Francis and Edith Schaeffer) are human is a terrible waste of trees"
—Bill Crouse; Richardson, Texas
I would only add my own comments (which I emailed to World Magazine but were not published) which were . . .
"I have noticed over the years that in his books and lectures Frank Schaeffer somehow fails to apply the same high standards and 'clear' thinking to himself that he applies so liberally to others.
Apparently Jesus' command to 'First get the beam out of your own eye' doesn't apply to the sons of famous, influential Christian authors."
(email to World Magazine)
Personally, I have felt this way since the late 1970's when Frank was publicly railing again, and again against the appallingly mediocre quality of the Christian art of the time while generating his own glut of appallingly mediocre art. I'm sure that anyone who has read "Addicted to Mediocrity" (written at the level of about a C+ college freshman) or seen "Wired to Killed" (produced at the level of a High School film class project) or any of Frank's other painfully awful films (it was amusing to read how he justified doing low budget horror films as "art" in Christianity Today) will be nodding their head in agreement at this point.
I recall that "back in the day" it was painful and embarrassing to hear both Dr. Schaeffer and Edith gushing over their son's bad art and rationalizing his rude behavior. Looking back I realize now that they were simply two proud parents blinded by their love for their son - easy to forgive, but hard to forget given how Frank has turned out.
This is all very, very sad (and, to my way of thinking FAR too public).
Never-the-less, despite my disapproval over his ongoing misadventures I wish Frank all the best and hope that someday he will find the peace, serenity and maturity that seems to have somehow eluded him so far.
God bless us one and all.
/fwa
thewriterlypause
November 27, 2007 1:56 AM
Don't forget he also got reviewed in The Nation by Jane Smiley.
My own take on this particular book:
I think Schaeffer effectively burned every bridge he had.
I agree with much of what he says about Bush, I also agree with much of what he has to say about the "Pro-life" movement and the inconsistencies of their overall vision, and I also agree with his support of the military.
This was a book that was a long time coming. From his three Calvin Becker novels to the zeal with which he decided to partake in the debate about the Iraq war as well as his unfailing support for the military, this book pretty much puts everything that Frank Schaeffer feels, which includes some family dirt.
However, one can't help but feel the very real and deep affection he had for his father, the respect he had for his father's work prior to becoming politicized (at, by the way, Frank's (Jr) insistence --his Dad originally had not wanted to become involved in the Pro-life/religious right movement.
In addition, his 'misadventures' in regards to his military books have been extraordinarily well received within the military community. His thoughts on "selective service" are worth considering, and he comes across as earnest, a bit naive when he was doing the right wing schtick, and determined to separate his father from the likes of the more politically minded Ralph Reed, Pat Robertson, Dr. Dobson and others.
Kate
December 2, 2007 6:53 PM
Well, I haven't read the book yet. When I do, I don't suppose my comments will be nearly so erudite as those already posted. I only know that watching Frank Schaeffer last night on C-span was Recognition. Frank Schaeffer and I share similar backgrounds -- raised outside of the US mostly, around missionaries, parents in church leadership -- and Frank and I have come to much the same place. SICK OF EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANITY Yet --- still believing the Apostle's Creed. I can't be a Roman Catholic, guess I'll check into Greek Orthodoxy.
Seems to me there's a trend toward disparaging his book, disparaging him --- but throwing in some Christian charity to take the edge off -- because he's messin' with everyones complacency.
mike
January 1, 2008 2:54 AM
Just finished CRAZY, so things are a little unprocessed but here goes. I'm returning to the original question, although the Iraq War as the context for sacrifice of FS' son in patriotic duty (good kind) is important, when he was sacrificed for missionary work (bad kind) .
I went to L'Abri after quitting college and much of my Christian experience was shaped by studying and working there for five years. Because of my particular role as an all-around aide on sometimes 16 hour days for both Francis and Edith Schaeffer, I guess I saw a lot. For starters, I wasn't shocked at the disclosures about FS' mom and dad, because there wasn't really the pretense of putting on a show. These people were letting scores of people live in their home, feeding and caring for them, as well as openly admitting their human foibles and sins. I think every wedding gift they received had been broken in the process. So, a reality check may be necessary if you put the Schaeffers on a false pedestal of saintliness, but my respect for them is because of what they achieved, given their weaknesses (depression, anger, vanity). They pressed on anyway, said their prayers at the end and beginning of each day, laying out sins committed and the plans ahead of them.
I am sad and glad now for FS and where he currently is on his journey, but can't help noting the contradictions that he is actually still fully involved in, ie making a living off of all this history that he is supposedly separating himself from, wanting to make it on his own and lead a normal life. I suppose life has given him a wealth of material, but I wonder if a more private exorcism of his ghosts would've sufficed, such as between his spiritual mentors and his own family? To put it bluntly, why not quietly just go away, rather than feed our there-is-no-public-sphere- because-the-private-has-subsumed-it talk-radio culture? Sells books, pays the bills, but puts him on the circuit, again, no?
I also find the "fundamentalism" tag too slippery and convenient, given its pejorative use today. FS does qualify it some, but, generally speaking, the work of his parents was to undo the narrowness of this approach, thus the emphasis on the arts, education, and culture. FS is free to write of what happened to him during childhood, but since he jumps to a level of meta-analysis, too, then you need the bigger picture of why FS felt caught in a fundamentalist family bind when everyone else (Christians, at least) saw it as a fundie detox center. It's an interesting paradox that FS' freewheeling, unstructured rearing jived with being trapped, eventually performing politico-spiritual cliches at public arenas for a living.
FS was the source of the corruption, I gather. Is this the story of the prodigal son who turns the family farm into a hormone-injected, agri-business? To whom does one seek apology for that sin? On what level does the book function as that sort of apology? Vaguely to America, I guess, but that seems somewhat grandiose and participating in the same hubris of that dream of taking back America. Better to direct an apology towards a surviving parent, rather than humiliate her.
I think though that the change in Francis & Edith Schaeffer, as they became media figures, is true, as they aligned with the religious right. I admired them for this, actually, because they were willing to do it for the sake of the unborn, even though that single-issue approach reaped problems, including the eventual evangelical courting of power politics rather than arguing of ideas, besides placing them in bizarre situations and weird
mike
January 2, 2008 8:47 AM
forgot the last word at my posting's end:
"...besides placing them in bizarre situations and weird company."
David
March 22, 2008 11:38 AM
Someone wrote above:
"He mis-remembers the conservative Christian evangelical culture. It is not, never has been, anti-American. In point of fact, the opposite is true. Foreign missionaries have often marveled to me at the fervent nationalism present in evangelical circles and speak of it as a discredit to the American Evangelical Christian. "
I think this is correct. One of American Evangelicalism/Fundamentalism's big problems is it's often blind patriotism and continued belief in the Pilgrim separatist's idea of America being "A City Set Upon a Hill" , "the New Zion" .
I can believe that Frank Schaeffer may very well have been anti-American in his views during those days. He seemed pretty much "anti" Everything if you read his books from that time. It says more about Frank that he misconstrued "anti-Americanism" in the Fundamentalists dire warnings of impending apocalyptic doom brought on by the declining morals of America which in their views were a precursor to the End Times Great Tribulation. (this is not unique to Protestant fundamentalists; someone mentioned the same apocalyptic thinking that runs through a certain strain of Catholic piety which is obsessed with the prophecies revealed at Fatima) . No doubt the pre-mill , pre-trib rapture eschatology has led to great confusion in the minds of many American fundamentalists/evangelicals. (thank God that aberrational view seems to now be waning) .
But anyone who ever actually spent some time around real , ordinary American evangelicals (not the isolated little world of Christian TV hosts and Christian celebrities on the lecture circuit) know that they tend to almost verge on idolatry , viewing the United States as "God's Chosen Nation' . They are not anti-American.
One thing that bothers me about Frank Schaeffer's nonfiction writing is that Frank has inherited the worst aspect of his father's writing , which is a pronounced tendency to over-simplify history and to selectively quote only those parts which fit his agenda. He tosses off all sorts of inaccuracies and anachronisms. Some of his criticisms of Evangelicalism or Fundamentalism are accurate, but presented in the most broad-brushing, uncharitable way. Frank's anecdotal evidence is being uncritically swallowed by many who are predisposed to want to see anyone they perceive as being on the "Religious Right" brought low because Frank's stories stroke them where they feel good. (example would be Jane Smiley's review in The Nation ) . These people would be equally delighted to see a tell-all that made Roman Catholic or Orthodox leaders look bad .
Chris Tozer UK
August 28, 2008 6:35 PM
I think you and the readers of your blog would do well to read these words from:
Books & Culture, March/April 2008
Fathers and Sons
On Francis Schaeffer, Frank Schaeffer, and Crazy for God.
by Os Guinness
If asked what is the deepest relationship imaginable, many people would say it is between lovers, or between husbands and wives. The case can be made, however, that from a Christian perspective, no relationship is more mysterious and more wonderful, yet sometimes more troubling, than that of fathers and sons. The depth and wonder begin with all we know of the relationship of God the Father and God the Son, while the troubled aspects stem from the Fall. Consider Absalom's rebellion against King David in the Old Testament, Edmund Gosse's exposure of his father Philip, the Oedipal drive in the writings of Sigmund Freud—and now Frank Schaeffer's Crazy for God, a memoir that is his personal apologia at the expense of his famous father, Francis Schaeffer, who was the founder and leader of the worldwide network of L'Abri communities.
Frank Schaeffer unquestionably adored his father, just as his father passionately adored him. Having lived in their home for more than three years, I have countless memories of this, including the sight of the two of them wrestling on the floor of the living room of their chalet, and ending with a fierce hug. Yet no critic or enemy of Francis Schaeffer has done more damage to his life's work than his son Frank—a result that one might not be able to infer from many reviews of the memoir, including that which appeared in the previous issue of Books & Culture.
The problem is not so much that Frank exposes and trumpets his parents' flaws and frailties, or that he skewers them with his characteristic mockery. It is more than that. For all his softening, the portrait he paints amounts to a death-dealing charge of hypocrisy and insincerity at the very heart of their life and work. In Frank's own words, his parents were "crazy for God." Their call to the ministry "actually drove them crazy," so that "religion was actually the source of their tragedy." His dad was under "the crushing belief that God had 'called' him to save the world." Because of this, his parents were "happiest when farthest away from their missionary work." Back at their calling, they were "professional proselytizers," their teaching was "indoctrination," and it was unclear whether people came to faith or were "brainwashed" and "under the spell" of his parents. Frank's own arguments in their support, he now says, were a kind of "circus trick."
Frank's baleful influence on his father is a textbook example of how Christian ministries and organizations can be ruined through undermining their own principles—in this case, through nepotism and family politics.
Commenting on the time when Francis Schaeffer went through his watershed crisis of doubt in 1951, which he claimed was pivotal to his faith and work, Frank says it was never resolved with any integrity: "Somehow he convinced himself to still believe." His father's "stunted" theological convictions "he held on to more as emotional baggage … than for any intellectual reason." Really? "Left to himself, Dad never talked about theology or God … . God and the Bible were work." And he was different when away from L'Abri altogether: "Dad never said grace over meals. It was as if Dad and I had a secret agreement that away from L'Abri, we were secular people."
And so it goes. With such a son, who needs enemies? To be sure, Frank tries to nuance the conclusion: "I once thought Dad's ability to present two very different faces to the world—one to his family and one to the public—was gross hypocrisy. I think very differently now. I believe Dad was a very brave man," one who simply had to "carry on"—the victim, presumably, of his own unresolved but inadmissible inner tensions. Yet there is no way round it. Francis Schaeffer, in his son's portrait, lacked intellectual integrity. There was a lie at the very heart of the work of L'Abri, and the thousands of people who over the decades came to L'Abri and came to faith or deepened in faith, were obviously conned too.
I challenge this central charge of Frank's with everything in me. I and many of my closest friends, who knew the Schaeffers well, are certain beyond a shadow of doubt that they would challenge it too. Defenders of truth to others, Francis and Edith Schaeffer were people of truth themselves.
For six years I was as close to Frank as anyone outside his own family, and probably closer than many in his family. I was his best man at his wedding. Life has taken us in different directions over the past thirty years, but I counted him my dear friend and went through many of the escapades he recounts and many more that would not bear rehearsing in print. It pains me to say, then, that his portrait is cruel, distorted, and self-serving, but I cannot let it pass unchallenged without a strong insistence on a different way of seeing the story. There is all the difference in the world between flaws and hypocrisy. Francis and Edith Schaeffer were lions for truth. No one could be further from con artists, even unwitting con artists, than the Francis and Edith Schaeffer I knew, lived with, and loved.
Crazy for God unquestionably has its humorous passages. It also has some pages of lyrical beauty and poignancy in which Frank describes his wife Genie and his daughter Jessica. I have no problem with a picture of Francis Schaeffer "warts and all." I knew him well, and could have added one or two stories myself. He was always open about his flaws, just as he was compassionate toward those of others. I had my own disagreements with him. My wife and I actually left L'Abri in 1973 for principled reasons, grieved but certain that we, along with several others, needed to break with a community that we believed was missing its way—mainly because of the direction Frank was intent on taking it.
Yet despite all that, for those of us who were part of the story of L'Abri in the late '60s and early '70s, the better qualities and the legitimate revelations in the memoir are overwhelmed by a blindness and bitterness that cannot be excused. No one who witnessed the stature and diversity of the thousands who came to L'Abri's 50th-anniversary celebration in 2005 could doubt the depth of quiet, enduring gratitude that thousands owe to Francis and Edith Schaeffer. For many of us, they changed our lives forever and set us off on the strenuous and costly path we are still pursuing decades later with no reservations and no regret.
Are there other problems with the book? First, Frank's portrayal of his mother is cruel and deeply dishonoring, monstrously ungrateful since she poured herself out for him far more than his workaholic father. Edith Schaeffer was one of the most remarkable women of her generation, the like of whom we will not see again in our time. I have never met such a great heart of love, and such indomitable faith, tireless prayer, boundless energy, passionate love for life and beauty, lavish hospitality, irrepressible laughter, and seemingly limitless time for people—all in a single person. There is no question that she was a force of nature, and that her turbo-personality left many people, and particularly young women who tried to copy her, gasping in her slipstream. To many of us she was a second mother, and in many ways she was the secret of L'Abri.
Yet Frank describes his mother as a "high-powered nut," who was "best at the martyrdom game." He mocks her with vitriol in several of his books, and her incredible and justly celebrated passion for beauty and excellence he dismisses with a postmodern sneer as a mission that was "nothing less than repairing the image of fundamentalism." Several times I saw her reduced to tears in private after his barbs against her. But now in her nineties, with her failing memory, she neither fully knows nor is able to respond to all he has written about her. "If I read it," she said to me about one of Frank's earlier books, "it would probably break my heart."
Second, Frank's descriptions of other people and events are often equally irresponsible and wildly inaccurate. He rightly disavows the immaturity of his early books and films. He was as "addicted to mediocrity" as anyone he attacked. But for all his improved writing style, his manner of sneering dismissals is unchanged. Sometimes he is ludicrously negative, as in his remarks about Billy Graham and Carl Henry. Sometimes he is self-servingly positive, citing compliments from people—such as Malcolm Muggeridge—who were well known for their overall scathing dismissals of both Francis and Frank. Sometimes he is just plain cruel, as in his description of the woman assigned to be his home school tutor—and as in most cruelty, he is worst when mocking those unable to reply.
Third, Frank's broad dismissals of faith different from his own are often absurd, and his portrayal of recent Christian history is woefully ignorant. On the one hand, he routinely conflates evangelicalism with fundamentalism, or disdainfully dismisses evangelicalism as "fundamentalism-lite," the child of an older fundamentalism. The reverse, of course, is true. Fundamentalism is the recent movement, and evangelicalism pre-dates it by centuries. On the other hand, he inflates his own role in founding the Religious Right, even if out of self-flagellating disgust.
Frank says he was "the prime mover and shaker when it came to making sure that Dad got truly famous within the evangelical subculture," and that he and his father were "amongst the first to start telling American evangelicals that God wanted them involved in the political process." Yet Francis Schaeffer's international recognition came far earlier than the Religious Right, and calling Schaeffer "the father of the religious right" overlooks the far more crucial early role of such players as Ed McAteer, Paul Weyrich, Richard Viguerie, and Jerry Falwell, who were the real fathers of the movement.
Apart from these flaws, and above all the central one mentioned first, Frank Schaeffer's memoir raises other grave issues for me. For a start, I am dismayed by the responses to the book. It has understandably given perverse comfort to those who already dislike the Christian faith, or evangelicalism, or conservatism. More troubling is how many evangelical reviewers and readers have betrayed symptoms of the postmodern disease in their response. The book's revelations are taken as gospel and the book is judged in terms of its style rather than its substance. Our postmodern age is a free schooling in cynicism, so nothing is ever what it appears to be and there are no heroes once you see what really makes people tick. But no one should take Frank's allegations at face value.
At a deeper level, Frank's baleful influence on his father is a textbook example of how Christian ministries and organizations can be ruined through undermining their own principles—in this case, through nepotism and family politics. We have a rash of nepotism currently afflicting evangelicalism across the board, so this point carries wider lessons. In the early 1970s, when I was considering my long-term future at the Swiss L'Abri, I remember asking John Stott and James Houston what sort of questions I should be asking. Among other things, they both made the same point: "Watch and see whether the Schaeffers truly give authority to those who are not family members, or whether the family members are always more equal than others."
Frank unwittingly confirms their wisdom by openly admitting that his role was the result of "nepotism," and by acknowledging that "it was our family, not the other L'Abri workers and members, who were really calling the shots." Yet the worst example of nepotism and family politics was his own disastrous persuading of his father to enter the political fray. After the Lausanne Congress in 1974, I remember well how Francis was blackly depressed, believing he had no more to say. It was Frank, alarmed at what he saw, who then abandoned his own aspirations as an artist and became his father's "sidekick" in order to re-charge his father with visions of political activism.
In the process Frank overrode the established principles of how decisions were made at L'Abri. As he acknowledges, he "goaded" Schaeffer toward the strident and increasingly gloomy last period of his life, and he himself became a brash and intemperate hothead, notorious for his slashing attacks on evangelical scholars who disagreed with him. The net effect of Frank's efforts was to sow the seeds of his own self-loathing, and also to return his father to fundamentalism and to undermine his reputation in the long term. That was the first time in my experience at L'Abri when a major decision was made without unanimity among the leaders, and it was clear that the family trumped everyone else and Frank trumped everyone else in the family. It was the breaking point for me and many others.
The deepest issue of all lies in how all this happened, and here Frank gives us the clue but never follows the trail with the honesty he should have. Throughout the memoir he says he was neglected by his parents, which may have been true—though he was always central in the daily thoughts and prayers of his mother, and at the time he welcomed the neglect as freedom. Frank also hints at his ability to manipulate his parents because of their guilt over the neglect: "No one has more power over a loving father (especially if that father feels a bit guilty for neglecting his children) than a beloved son."
But neglect and guilt are not the deepest explanation. The real truth is that Franky, as he then called himself, was spoiled. He was more like a poster child for Benjamin Spock than the son of "fundamentalist missionaries." Having been born well after his sisters, and having survived polio as a child, he was rarely challenged, disciplined, or denied. As a result, he grew up a "little Napoleon," as some of the L'Abri students called him. He would boast that he could twist his parents around his little finger, and time and again he proved it.
Running away from boarding school at fifteen, Frank was bright and gifted, with talents that showed as clearly in his art then as in his writing now. But he bucked at all formal education and serious tutoring, and his claim that he then received a "'great books' British university-level literature course" comes as quite a surprise to his tutor. Francis actually praised Frank's dropping out of school to a friend of mine, arguing that "Christians should be like Bolsheviks." Later, pushed far out of his depth by the momentum of his and his father's activism, Frank found himself propelled into becoming the arrogant, pompous, and hollow young fraud that, to his credit, he came to loathe and then repudiate. Frank himself is where the con artistry came into the story.
In sum, the combination of neglect, guilt, nepotism, and spoiling was a toxic brew. Some sons of famous Christian fathers are pushed by their fathers into following in their footsteps, and they respond with a slow-burning resentment that comes to cast a shadow on their fathers' reputations. In Frank's case, he chose to steer his father's steps for his father's sake, so he is responsible rather than resentful. But he is responsible for what he now acknowledges was a horrible outcome, so he turns on his entire upbringing to excuse his role.
Does all this matter outside the Schaeffer family and the wider L'Abri community, which in its many branches continues the Schaeffer's work quietly and effectively? Would it not be better to let sleeping dogs lie, and judge Frank's memoir by its readability? There are powerful lessons here for any organization and ministry in which the founder's family plays a part. But what matters in the end is that Francis and Edith Schaeffer's place in 20th-century evangelicalism—and their contribution to the lives of so many—is too important to surrender to such a scurrilous caricature.
Speaking for myself, my heritage is not fundamentalism and my intellectual mentor is the eminent sociologist Peter Berger. But there is much that I owe directly to Francis Schaeffer, such as my understanding of apologetics. One thing above all I will never deny, and for that I am eternally grateful, however great his flaws and however wrong he was on certain details of philosophy and history: I have never met anyone anywhere like Francis Schaeffer, who took God so passionately seriously, people so passionately seriously, and truth so passionately seriously. The combination was dynamite, and it is that vision and style of faith, rather than the content of his thinking, which is the debt I owe to him. With Nietzsche, Schaeffer could well have said, "All truth is bloody truth to me." The idea that such a man was "crazy for God," let alone a two-faced con man, is and will always be utterly anathema to me. I was there. I saw otherwise, and I and many of my friends have been marked for life.
One of Frank's more curious accusations is that evangelicals have no sense of the journey of faith. Perhaps he has forgotten John Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress, which has far outsold any other account of the journey of life and faith. And that is where I find hope at the end of Frank's memoir. He is plainly still on the road. The book is dedicated to his daughter Jessica, and he hints of his guilt over the way he treated her when she was small. He may yet examine himself more deeply, and he may yet find himself at home with his faith. I pray he will one day.
Forty years ago, Frank and his father used to mock the weak ending of John Osborne's play Luther, in which the ringing certainty of "Here I stand" was replaced by the hesitancy of "I hope so." Yet "I hope so" and "If there is a God" are the very words Frank uses to describe his own Orthodox faith now. With his prodigious but wayward talents, my old friend still has the air of the restless prodigal.
But we all have journeying still to be done—in Frank's case, a long and winding journey home indeed, but with both a waiting Father and a waiting father and mother at its end.
frank Docherty
September 13, 2008 6:13 AM
Neurosis easily wears the mask of Religion.
Suzy Shepherd
October 21, 2008 11:47 PM
I understand what Os is saying in his review. I think that in large part the things that Frank "revealed" about his parents and family had been at least alluded to by Mrs Schaeffer years before. She discussed her husband's tendency to throw things, his temper, her own reaction to criticism of essentially going into high gear. She also alluded to disagreements at family reunions. etc. Now, admittedly, she put a different spin on things than Frank did. From her perspective it was merely examples of living in a fallen world and examples of how in a family we are to remain loyal in spite of these problems. Frank sees this as over-spiritualizing things, I tend to see it as an important reminder that family is a place of growth and forgiveness. However, the fact is that most of what Frank lays out vividly his mother had laid out more quietly years ago.
Mrs. Schaeffer, and Susan Macaulay as well, have always used illustrations from their own family life to make points. Consequently anyone who is familiar with their books and Frank's earlier Sham Pearls for Real Swine, shouldn't be tremendously surprised by what he has to say in Crazy for God. Nor should they be surprised that a Schaeffer would be willing to reveal family secrets. It does seem to me that not only Frank, but Debby Middleman and Priscilla Sandri at least have mixed feelings about their growing up years. It seems like much of what Frank is remembering is things that happened before the years that most of Dr. Schaeffer's impact was felt. He focuses on the years of pietism, even while admitting that this was not his parents' stance later on. However, sometimes he conflates the two eras in a way that seems to accuse his parents of hypocrisy even when he admits that their stance changed.
I suspect that both Schaeffers were under a great deal of stress when they had 30 extra people living in their house constantly. I suspect that it was a great deal of stress dealing with the finances and the simple day to day physical work that needed to be done. Whether those stresses caused more "craziness" or not, who knows.
I do think that it is important for Christians to look at the impact that their "ministry" is having on their family. Far too often the needs and best interests of the family are put on the back burner as the ministry swallows up all the time and energy. Mrs. Schaeffer was clearly aware of that problem when she wrote What is A Family. That she and Dr. Schaeffer didn't manage to avoid those particular shoals is perhaps a lesson we should all learn from. There is good reason for the Catholic Church's decision to adhere to clerical celibacy. It is extremely difficult for a married couple to meet the needs of their children, each other, and a ministry all at the same time. At the time that L'Abri was at its height of popularity there were other Christian communities attempting similar kinds of communal life, if not similar kinds of apologetic ministry. Many of the children who grew up in those communities are now far from the faith because of their experiences in these settings. I suspect that many of them will find Frank's experiences to be familiar.
Os came to L'Abri as a grownup. Even the Schaeffer daughters did not have their growing up years in the midst of the L'Abri of the 60's and 70's. Only Frank grew up in the midst of it all. I doubt that his parents intended to forget about him, and it's clear that they supported his artistic pursuits and attempted to find educational settings for him that were appropriate. That they failed to find help for his dyslexia is not all that unusual. I've observed a number of young men who've gone through public schools in our area who were no more literate at 11 than Frank was despite special reading programs and certified teachers. If Mrs. Schaeffer had been able to devote hours a day to Frank's home study program, and had she been aware of some of the programs out there dealing with dyslexia perhaps he would have had an easier time of it. However, there are no guarantees of that. What is clear is that while the Schaeffer's were aware that Frank wasn't making good progress academically, they either didn't have the time to deal with the problem effectively, or more likely they simply didn't know how to do so. In an era before the internet searches finding help for learning disabilities was not easy, even in metropolitan areas, and in the small town of Huemoz it must have been even more difficult. However, quite clearly the Schaeffers were not able to give Frank the same degree of attention that they were able to give their daughters when they were young and growing up in St. Louis. So all that other people gained from L'Abri and the Schaeffer's ministry was to some degree at Frank's expense and even to some degree at the expense of their daughters.
I strongly suspect that Frank's story is not yet over. He has been critical of fundamentalists for a long time and many of the criticisms he lodged in Sham Pearls have proved to be incredibly valid. His own experience of faith is much more grounded in the worship than in theology at this point. That may continue to be the case, or he may come to find a balance between the two halves of his life at some point. What is clear is that at this point he, like some other writers (Evelyn Waugh comes to mind) has found satire to be a style that works for him. In Crazy for God, as in his first three novels he is mining his own past and mining the part of his past in which his birth family played a huge role. In Baby Jack and some of his other later work that is not the case. I can easily see Frank writing a novel about life in an Orthodox parish, or about a New England prep school, or life as a painter and never once referring to the fundamentalist world or his parents at all.
Country Club Religion
December 16, 2008 11:36 PM
I grew up in a very conservative Evangelical Presbyterian Church that split away from the USA Presbytery. They split because of questions over homosexuality and abortion and people in the USA questioning the Bible. I remember being shown films by Dr. Shcaffer as well as the famous Focus on the Family films by Dobson. Growing up I bought into the theology hook, line and sinker. Including trying to collect signatures for Pro-Life groups.
When I was 15 I made a startling discovery about myself. I was undoubtedly attracted to the same sex. For the next 20 years I did everything I could to try and continue to fit in to the church and figure out how God could change me so I would not have these feeelings. It did not work.
I struggled with my faith for many years and I was miserable. I was depressed and at points suicidal because I was constantly told I could not be a Christian and a Homosexual.
The problem with the conservative evangelical church is that they want to practice this form of what I call Country Club Politics and Theology. They say all are welcome but most of these churches cater to white middle class Republicans. They want only people who believe what they believe and they do not want any deviants like myself screwing up the system.
They think nothing about lying in order to tell the "truth". A few examples saying that the majority of homosexual men will have hundreds or thousands of sexual partners during their lifetime. Abortion is simply a device of the radical feminist movement so that women can abort their babies to have a career. And that homosexual men are all predators who just want to recruit boys into homosexual lifestyles.
Conservative evangelicals want to attack other groups of people they do not agree with but whine when they feel their rights are being violated. Even though I have witnessed many incidents where they have blatantly provoked the situation.
I think that God is disgusted with the church in their exclusive be like us or get out attitude. I know I certainly am.
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It's interesting that you pointed to this as the apocalyptic and separatist views of the US that Schaeffer rejects are very characteristic of the views expressed on this blog.
We all live and we all grow.
I am not a reader of his father's, so this does not shake my world particularly.
I will say that Frank Schaeffer is startlingly unfilial. Between the hints he dropped in his novels and this new round of revelations he seems determined to have a second career through dumping on his parents' imperfections. Call me old-fashioned, but this sort of confessional "honesty," pioneered by Rousseau, is a wickedly clever way of advertising one's own moral superiority while not actually forgoing the pleasure and profit of wallowing in the mire.
I'm not sure what I think about a son revealing the fact that his father was hot-tempered and abusive. Personally, I only talk about family business when it is with a close friend/priest and I need someone to talk to. That said, it is a memoir...
Frankly, some of the ways he describes the religious right reminds me of the tendencies of some conservative Catholics. Witness the promotion of the movie Therese a couple of years ago and now Bella. I've seen the former, and I was thoroughly got embarassed sitting in the movie theater. Bella seems to be better, but I noticed that with Therese the writers were telling Barb Nicolosi that she didn't have faith, and now she is demon possessed. Wow, what a joke! It seems to me to betray some of our weaknesses. On a broader political scale, I think it is important that Catholicism (or any other religion) is not a cause (or "convenient ideology", as Ratzinger put it), and is much less a political cause. It is a faith, which transfers into a way of life. Quite frankly, this is the reason, given my stage in life, that I would much rather listen to individuals such as Frs. Groeschel or Corapi than the high profile, arm chair apologists.
Rod--a couple of weeks ago you posted a story about some people moving out to a traditionalist monastery in Oklahoma, and I expressed a lot of skepticism toward laymen doing such a thing. What I have just said underscores such skepticism. I think that sometimes shutting oneself often leads to self-righteousness, and a sort of us against them mentality in the absolute sense.
Don - your last sentence: exactly the same thing happens on the left side of the equation. I chafe when some of the folks on this blog pull out accusations of PC-ism - even when Rod does it. That said, it is often true.
My impression is that Francis Schaeffer wasn't pleased with the beast he helped create (the Religious Right).
I think that sometimes shutting oneself often leads to self-righteousness, and a sort of us against them mentality in the absolute sense.
One of the things I appreciate most about Rod's blog is that it's one of the rare places online where people of sharply divergent world-views meet and exchange ideas in a more or less civil tone.
Most blogs just narrow their readers' minds. They link to dozens of other blogs, which in turn links to dozens of other blogs, practically all of which share the same general outlook on life (Left, Right, Libertarian, or whatever). Pretty soon the blog addict starts to think everybody who has any common sense thinks this way. The Otherside must be merely an evil cabal of [Fill in your favorite demon].
It's interesting that you pointed to this as the apocalyptic and separatist views of the US that Schaeffer rejects are very characteristic of the views expressed on this blog.
We all live and we all grow.
That's why I chose them. I don't necessarily agree with Schaeffer's take, of course, though he does make me think critically about my own views. I want to be open to the possibility that I am too severe in my critique, and to make adjustments accordingly.
Well, It has been some time since I've read a book by Frank Schaeffer. I was always under the impression (as most readers seem to be) that he was a bit angry and unbalanced. In Orthodoxy, he is not considered to a mainstream speaker. I have to confess also that the only book by his father that I read was "Escape from Reason," which I thought was one of the worst, most shallow, pseudo-intellectual screeds I've ever read.
Mark Noll wrote a book, "The Scandal of the Evangelical Mind," in which he said, "The scandal of the evangelical mind is that there is no evangelical mind," and I wonder, as someone raised evangelical and quite familiar with evangelical literature if he isn't correct. There is just something in the American Evangelical intellectual culture that kills brain cells. A prime example of this is the great number of evangelical polemical tomes that cite only secondary literature that agrees with them (yes, I've read 500 pg. tomes on systematic theology that condemned Karl Barth, Paul Tillich, and Catholicism as evil and from the devil; yet the author only cited other authors who had the same opinions of Barth, Tillich, Catholicism with no really serious investigation of primary sources).
I just thank God I'm not an evangelical anymore. I haven't read this current book by Schaeffer but honestly, I don't know how much I can trust as being accurate. Too many evangelicals (and ex-evangelicals) are incapable of writing a book without a strong, imposing agenda. Yes, I say it as one raised Southern Baptist, that most (not all) evangelical and fundamentalist writing is not worth taking seriously.
Joe
quote: "In other words, the Religious Right was as negative and anti-American as anybody I ever talked to on the Left."
I grew up as an Evangelical (Dobson was a big influence on my parents), and I don't think this is the case at all. Indeed, I would argue that one of the Religious Right's biggest flaws is that it wraps itself in the American flag and mixes religious piety with patriotism. For example, it is not uncommon to see American flags flown outside Evangelical churches or placed inside their sanctuaries. In addition, they often have "patriotic services" on the Fourth of July and Memorial Day. It's one thing to honor military service or give thanks we live in a free country, but in my experience these services go way overboard and it's often hard to say where worship of God and love of country part ways in them. Ironically, most Evangelicals wouldn't dream of celebrating any church holiday besides Christmas and Easter (other days like Ascension or Pentecost are too Catholic), but they make a big deal out of the Fourth of July.
It's also worth pointing out that the Religious Right tends to believe a lot of half-truths about American History. They tend to say that America was founded as a "christian nation" and that the founding fathers were all pious christians. Of course, some of the founding fathers were devout christians and as a group they weren't proto-PC ACLU types with regard to public expressions of religion. But many of them were Enlightenment deists types and unitarians and wouldn't exactly fit in at a Southern Baptist church.
It's true that the Religious Right strongly criticizes America for the immorality they see in American society (and I generally agree with much of their criticism). But I don't see them as the other side of the coin to the far Left's hatred of the United States. If anything, the Religious Right is darn near idolatrous with its mixture of religion and patriotism.
rr
rr,
Well said. I entirely agree with what you say. I will only add that the religious right's criticism of the lack of morality in the US is selective. They are notoriously silent on corporate greed and unjust war. American Evangelicalism, on the whole has this problem that they are much too influenced by too faulty ideological/theological views: Zionism and the "manifest destiny" notion that the US is God's chosen agent to bring Christianity to the world. This is what I was taught growing up. Basically I was taught that Jesus loves two nationa, the US and Israel, and Jesus only loves the US if the US fulfills two conditions:
1) unconditionally supports Israel and never criticizes anything that Israel does
2) continues to send out missionaries to Latin America and other heathen countries (Like Eastern Europe) that have never heard the true Gospel. And yes folks, according to most evangelicals, Catholics and Orthodox are not true Christians and so they are fair game for prosyletization.
This is also why the religious right is fiercely anti-communist and pro-war. I even had a baptist pastor tell me a few years ago that the Iraq war was for the purpose of spreading the Gospel to those Iraqis whove never heard it before (never mind that Iraq has one of the oldest indigenous churches in Christendom).
Yes I think that Evangelical Christianity is nationalistic, heretical, and mostly bad for people. As an Orthodox Christian, I appreciate the fact that most Evangelicals worship the Trinity and believe in the Deity of Christ. But other than that, they are a false American cult.
Joe
Rod,
I have read some interviews that Franky has given, and read some articles on his growing up. I was raised neo-evangellical (Dobson, Falwell), so I understand your wife being troubled. At the end of the day, Francis and Edith Schaeffer were human beings, in desparate need of the Grace and Mercy of Jesus, as all of us are.
I have read several of Francis Schaeffer's works. He really is quite brilliant. He is theologially Reformed, except for escatology. As he is credited with much of the beginings of the modern religous right movement, his adherence to pre mil escatology is part of the problem.
I still consider myself evangellical, but now after the mold of Calvin, Luther, Chalmers and Kuyper. However my escatology is as reformed as the rest of my theology. Schaeffers escatology skewed some of his methods and remedies. And I am sure that it affected how he raised his family. Prof that we all need the Gospel, in spite of our brilliance.
Still, Schaeffer correctly identified post-modernism before it was even on the radar of the evangellical world.
Paul C. Quillman
My escatology = knowing neither the day nor the hour.
"Bush is personally responsible for the displacement of the Christian minority in Iraq."
Call me crazy, but it seems to me that Muslim terrorists are personally responsible for the displacement of the Christian minority in Iraq.
Blaming Bush for the actions of Islamic terrorists in the Middle East is like blaming Bloomberg for the crime in New York City. If Bloomberg wouldn't stir up the criminals by arresting them, they wouldn't bother us so much.
Joe,
I agree with your additions regarding corporate greed (not to mention American consumerism), war, and Israel. I find some of the extreme Dispensationalist views of Israel (John Hagee, etc.) to be heretical as well because they make nonsense of the new covenant.
Evangelicalism is problematic for a number of reasons. But I wouldn't go so far as to call it a false American cult (that honor goes to the Mormons and JWs). Instead, I would argue that most Evangelicals are, as Catholics would say, "invincibly ignorant" to the theological errors of their tradition. Most Evangelicals, including many of my own family members, don't know or understand any other form of Christianity but their own. They don't know much about the Reformation (conservative Lutheranism for example is alien to them), much less Catholicism or Orthodox, so I think ignorance is an important factor.
rr
"Call me crazy, but it seems to me that Muslim terrorists are personally responsible for the displacement of the Christian minority in Iraq."
Gil--the problem is that we went in there and upset the balance of power, specifically setting in action a chain of events that has allowed for the mass displacement of Christian minorities. The only thing this war has done and will do is to replace something bad with something worse. Frank is right about this one--we've gone into an area and fought a war that is the specific cause of disproportionate worse effects.
Stop obfuscating the issue--this is deadly serious, especially because of the number of Christians displaced and the fact that they have probably been there since the second or third centuries.
Don said:
"Gil--the problem is that we went in there and upset the balance of power, specifically setting in action a chain of events that has allowed for the mass displacement of Christian minorities."
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The cleansing of non-muslims has been going on for a very long time in many parts of the islamic world. Bush’s war may have been the catalyst for this particular episode, but it’s not accurate to place all the blame on Bush without also acknowlegding the role that traditional Islamic theology plays in justifying such actions. For a lot of these people (islamic supremacists), Islam dictates the terms of the relationship between muslims and unbelievers, NOT President Bush.
"The cleansing of non-muslims has been going on for a very long time in many parts of the islamic world. Bush’s war may have been the catalyst for this particular episode, but it’s not accurate to place all the blame on Bush without also acknowlegding the role that traditional Islamic theology plays in justifying such actions. For a lot of these people (islamic supremacists), Islam dictates the terms of the relationship between muslims and unbelievers, NOT President Bush."
Exactly, Lynn. See William Dalrymple's 1998 book "From the Holy Mountain" on the plight of the Middle Eastern Christians for accounts of this that long predate Bush. This type of thing has been going on since Islam's inception (and before anyone says anything, yes, I know that Christians have been guilty of this on occasion too. However, in Christianity it's an aberration, in Islam it's policy.)
So much for 'Honor your father and mother.'
Almost all of Schaeffer's literary output has been at the expense of his parents.
And I love him casting judgement on a phalanx of 'right-wingers' based on twenty year old memories of a young and passionate artist. So much for extending any hospitable benefit of the doubt.
He may be well-intentioned in his own mind, but his ongoing rehabilitation from his parents makes him seem like nothing as much as a jerk.
If he was not Greek Orthodox, I doubt he would find favor here.
Nobody denies that Muslims are culpable for their own actions regarding the displacement of Christian minorities. But--there is no denying that the invasion of Iraq has given radicals both the political power and the political will (foreigners from a "christian" country) to do such things.
The point is that no good has come from this war--you don't go off waging a war based on abstract slogans while not even considering the adverse consequences. A war that makes a problem worse is not just.
Give Muslims extremists "freedom"--and this is what you get.
Don said:
"Give Muslims extremists "freedom"--and this is what you get."
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Sure can't argue with that - and it's just as true in the "west" as it is in Iraq . . .
The part of the Schaeffer interview which resonated with me dealt with the glee of the doomsayers. Maybe the doomsayers are right about the evil times but their sheer glee over the impending punishments when they should mourn is disgusting. And today we have the glee constantly coming at us in the guise of pious warning. It all reminds me of how annoyed Jonah was with God when He backed off destroying Nineveh once the Ninevehites repented. Jonah actually would have preferred to see them destroyed! Christ wept over Jerusalem as he foresaw the destruction of Jerusalem. I would like to see Him surprise/shock my fellow Christians as the Old Testament God surprised Jonah.
This attitude of glee in the impending punishment of the "wicked" is nothing peculiar to some forms of evangelicalism. I remember it well from my Catholic girlhood, nuns in the late 40's predicting to classes of little children the destruction of the world because of immodest clothes in the shops and Hollywood stars kissing each other on the pages of Life Magazine and on and on. Much of it was tied to Marian devotion, particularly Fatima. God, Jesus, Mary were never ever pleased with anything which went on on earth. Always frowning. Nothing good ever happened. And this piled on and on to young children who still had to make their way through the world. In retrospect I wonder if some of it wasn't inspired by sheer envy of youth on the part of age. They didn't turn me away from Catholicism, I believe because there was always a commonsense Lutheran mother at home, but in retrospect, now at age 70, I thank God every day for the overall sanity of VII in Catholicism. Maybe Latin was better and the music was lovlier and the piety was prettier and the ritual was more dignified, but there was something in there underneath it all which was getting pretty ugly and hell -bending had it not been corrected.
"Don said:
"Give Muslims extremists "freedom"--and this is what you get."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sure can't argue with that - and it's just as true in the "west" as it is in Iraq . . . "
We're not talking about the west--we're talking about Iraq or, more aptly put, about what has been unleashed in Iraq because of the actions of Bush and the Congress.
Neo-conservatives can go around crowing all they want, defending Bush all they want, and rallying around the party all they want, but Frank is correct, the war has only made Islamic radicalism a bigger problem for the United States, and in turn displaced over three quarters of an ancient Eastern christian population.
People on this blog who defend Bush can split hairs about moral culpability all night long, but the result of the Iraq War is Bush's legacy. And that pitiful legacy will take the rest of the conservative movement down the toilet with it (and I have a stake in that).
Rod, I wrote a review of it for Books and Culture (coming out in December or January), so I don't want to give away too much that I said there (as if anybody would care, but hey it makes me feel so important to say so and also I won't have to type as much). I'm a lifelong evangelical, author of my own weirdness-of-childhood memoir (Home is Always the Place You Just Left--HIGHLY recommended here of course), and married to a missionary kid who grew up in Japan. My husband and I both loved Frank Schaeffer's memoir, just as we love his novels. Not that he's less of a jerk than he ever was--he's genetically prone to megalomania, so we forgive him for that. And not that we agree with all of his politics; when he starts waxing Laocoonic I start yawning. The thing is, he's a really great storyteller and when he comes down from the rooftops he's simply great at capturing the craziness of growing up in a ministry family. Also, it used to be that evangelicals placed extreme emphasis on moral perfection(my parents never drank, smoke, said any cuss words including "darn" or "heavens" and just barely believed that it was o.k. to play Crazy Eights). I don't think that the Victorian holdover standards were ALL bad--I had a very happy childhood--but of course most people couldn't live by those rules without a lot of hypocrisy. It's much better for us to grow up and see people like the Schaeffers as flesh and blood human beings.
"The cleansing of non-muslims has been going on for a very long time in many parts of the islamic world. Bush’s war may have been the catalyst for this particular episode, but it’s not accurate to place all the blame on Bush without also acknowlegding the role that traditional Islamic theology plays in justifying such actions. For a lot of these people (islamic supremacists), Islam dictates the terms of the relationship between muslims and unbelievers, NOT President Bush."
Uh, call me crazy, but Iraq was a Muslim country where, prior to the Iraq war, Christians were not persecuted (wasn't Saddam's foreign minister and, later, deputy prime minister Tariq Aziz a Christian?). And "traditional Islamic theology" is quite explicit about Christians and Jews (and to a certain extent Zoroastrians) as "People of the Book" who were granted legal status under Muslim rule. To be sure, they were politically second-class citizens, but this was progressive for its time. After all, non-Christians in Europe had absolutely no legal status at the time, by contrast. There are and always have been Christians everywhere in the Muslim world (in Syria, among the Palestinians, and so on). This is not to deny violence against religious minorities over the course of Islam's more than 1300 year history ~ but such violence is grossly over-stated (and mis-stated) by many American conservatives. The Muslim conquest of Central Asia, for example, did not result in forced conversion. In fact, the overwhelmingly Buddhist population became overwhelmingly Muslim only beginning with the generation following the conquest - and not as a result of violence specifically aimed at conversion.
And, on a related note, to suggest that violence against religious minorities is an "aberration" in Christianity over the course of its 2000 year history is to display a remarkable ignorance of Christian history (or European history more broadly). That is not to say that violence characterizes Christianity. It is only to suggest that, as in the case of Islam above, we should be very careful to paint Christian and Islamic communities (and I emphasize the plural here) and their histories with single, broad brush-strokes.
Besides, in the case of Islam, it makes more sense to emphasize those elements of "traditional Islamic theology" that are compatible with or amenable to the values that make possible harmonious living in a pluralistic and complex world, thereby isolating extremists as much as possible. Anyone who thinks this impossible knows nothing of Islam.
Re: whether our invasion of Iraq caused the problem for Christians, from an Orthodox discussion board this week comes this comment (in a topic about U.S. support for Israel):
"I remember an Orthodox Palestinian seminarian serving in our church who said that the Muslims told him that their battle with the Israelis would precede their conflict with the Palestinian Christians (who are only a minority of about 100,000)."
I.e., Muslims are intent on destroying Christians, whether we give them the opportunity or not.
>he's genetically prone to megalomania, so we forgive him for that.
This does make it all click. Thanks!
"See William Dalrymple's 1998 book "From the Holy Mountain" on the plight of the Middle Eastern Christians for accounts of this that long predate Bush. This type of thing has been going on since Islam's inception (and before anyone says anything, yes, I know that Christians have been guilty of this on occasion too. However, in Christianity it's an aberration, in Islam it's policy.)"
Funny you'd cite Dalrymple. He's very critical of Islamophobes. I haven't read the book you cite (and I'd like to read much more of him from the little I have read), but I suspect he's the sort who just tells the truth about the horrible things done in the name of religion, without taking that next step that you took and saying it is inherent in one religion and an aberration in the other. Funny thing about Christianity--I agree that when Christians commit atrocities it is an aberration in the sense that this isn't what Christ wants, but the plain fact is that Christians have been committing and supporting atrocities in the name of Christ for 2000 years and it hasn't stopped yet.
As for Islam, unless it really did come from God it is whatever its adherents make it. Some choose to focus on the violent passages in the Koran and they have the religion they want. Others choose to interpret it differently. Good for them.
Getting back to Dalyrmple, his most recent book is on the Indian Mutiny in 1857--he blames evangelical Christian bigotry for helping to incite it, and Christian bigots for the massacres they committed in response to Indian massacres of Europeans. Dalrymple strikes me as a very clear-thinking guy.
"Uh, call me crazy, but Iraq was a Muslim country where, prior to the Iraq war, Christians were not persecuted (wasn't Saddam's foreign minister and, later, deputy prime minister Tariq Aziz a Christian?). And "traditional Islamic theology" is quite explicit about Christians and Jews (and to a certain extent Zoroastrians) as "People of the Book" who were granted legal status under Muslim rule. To be sure, they were politically second-class citizens, but this was progressive for its time."
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There's more to the story, no doubt, but it seems to me that a good portion of the recent exodus is, in reality, a response to efforts by some muslims to RE-IMPOSE true dhimmi status on non-muslim communities after a period of historic abeyance under some largely secular governments (like Iraq's former government, as you point out). . . For instance, a muslim committed to islamic government might ask, "have the kuffir ceased all proselytizing? Have they adopted all appropriate islamic norms regarding dress and conduct? Have they accepted Islamic law and do they feel themselves properly subdued by it? Are they paying protection money (jizyah) to the local islamic authorities in exchange for their security?" On that score, I’ll bet dollars to doughnuts many of these communities received a letter or some other "official" message asking them to either convert or to begin paying such a tax to some local islamist group before the threats/kidnappings/killings began in earnest. Look up Q 9:29 - it’s laid out in detail there and elsewhere. Those sorts of threats are VERY difficult to counter, even if the larger muslim community was completely committed to stopping it (which may, or may NOT, be the case depending on the region.)
And yes! Your absolutely right, it's possible to manage life as a dhimmi, if your lucky enough to be a person of the book*, and by the standards of the 7th century or even the 15th, it really isn't half bad, but it's often MUCH easier to simply convert or to leave, especially these days. And, in truth, that's what dhimmitude is designed to do, isn't it? Grind down a non-muslim population through political exclusion, restrictions on religious activities, persecution through blasphemy laws, population loss though marital laws which often give muslim males access to multiple kuffir women while restricting the marital rights of muslim women and infidel men (though, I believe there were probably times when some islamic government or other was making so much money off their dhimmis that they really weren't motivated to convert them). Ask pretty much any Copt - they can explain how the whole thing works.
Anyway, it's a process that usually takes its toll over generations - though, at present, we seem to be in a particularly acute period. (Maybe a bit like a 'market correction' following last century's fevered wave of secularisation. . . ? Who knows.)
*For those who are NOT fortuneate enough to be considered "people of the book," the reality of islamic rule can be truly awful. Here's an article by Paul Marshall of the Week Standard describing recent actions by the Iranian regime aimed at systematically WIPING OUT the Bahais, (all in accordance with traditional islamic law, of course):
"Murder with Impunity"
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/284idyfu.asp
" . . . The regime continued to persecute the Baha'is, as well as other religious minorities, and parts of this plan were carried out--including their exclusion from universities and many jobs. But now the government's program has entered a more intensive and systematic phase. An October 29, 2005, confidential letter sent on Khamenei's instructions by Major General Hossein Firuzabadi, chairman of the Command Headquarters of the Armed Forces, ordered the Ministry of Information, the Revolutionary Guard, and the Police Force to "acquire a comprehensive and complete report" to identify all Baha'is.
On August 19, 2006, Mohammad-Reza Mavvalizadeh, director of the Ministry of the Interior's Political Office, ordered provincial governors' security officers to monitor Baha'i "social activities" and sent out a questionnaire to collect details of Baha'i incomes and occupations, and even burial locations. At about the same time, referring to the 1991 plan, Asghar Zari'i, director general of the Ministry of Science, Research and Technology's Central Security Office, ordered 81 universities to expel any Baha'i students and report back to confirm that they had done so. . . .
Because Baha'is are held, as apostates, to be religiously unclean, they were also to be banned from "catering at reception halls," restaurants and cafes, grocery stores, pastry, coffee, and kebab shops, and ice cream parlors. Finally, for reasons unclear, they must be excluded from "stamp making," "childcare," and "real estate," as well as cultural areas.
Baha'is are under other pressures. . .Banks are closing their accounts and refusing loans. This summer in Kermanshah, according to an account on news.bahai.org, "a 70-year-old man was sentenced to 70 lashes and a year in prison for 'propagating and spreading Bahaism and the defamation of the pure Imams.' In Mazandaran, a court has once again ruled against three women and a man who are charged with 'propagation on behalf of an organization which is anti-Islamic.'" On September 9 and 10, the government bulldozed one of their cemeteries near Isfahan, while in Yazd in July another was extensively damaged by earth-moving equipment. . . .
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But Iran's growing systematic campaign against Baha'is suggests something more. These regulations and restrictions are not haphazard but are systematically structured and, as such, are remarkably reminiscent of the Nazi Nuremberg Laws imposed against Jews in the 1930s. They are steps toward the destruction of a religious community, and they require the international condemnation and pressure that the Nuremberg Laws did not receive."
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Yes, dhimmitude does have its advantages. Too bad the Bahai don't qualify.
"And, on a related note, to suggest that violence against religious minorities is an "aberration" in Christianity over the course of its 2000 year history is to display a remarkable ignorance of Christian history (or European history more broadly)"
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If you read my comment, you'll notice that I actually didn't suggest that - but I've read some pretty good articles that do. Here's one, by Raymond Ibrahim:
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={2B5A1078-50C9-4749-88D0-1B3EA93D1C42}
The degree of violence in the history of religions is not that relevant to the persecution of Christian minorities, at least in the context of the present time. I do think that in the name of "equality", people uncritically assume or conclude that if, for instance, Islam is violent, then well, Christianity is just as much so.
Certainly all or at least most influential organizations, institutions, or structures have their faults and some violence, if they exist for any length of time.
The article Lynn posted makes a good point--the Crusades (at least the general concept of the Crusades) were in response to centuries of unprovoked Muslim aggression against Christian Europe. The entire Eastern empire had been sacked, and the Moors had, at varying points, conquered at least half and sometimes most of Spain (they even went up into France and Austria at one point). It is a common mistake to assume that the Crusades were representative unprovoked aggression. In large part, they were a failed venture.
There were a couple of points in that Frontpage article that I agreed with. It's true that Christianity, properly understood, doesn't endorse violence. And it's true that the real problem is with humans.
The rest was silly. Christians have been killing and persecuting and slaughtering others in the name of their religion for nearly 2000 years. And they often cite Bible verses to justify it. I can say this is wrong but it keeps happening. Much of the long persecution of the Jews was justified by specific New Testament passages which do sound antisemitic. As for the Old Testament, it's pretty weak to say that "Yeah, God did order the slaughter of every man, woman, and child of some particular cultures, but He only meant them. It can't happen later." Whatever I might make of those verses and of that argument, the fact is that it set an example for many Christians later to justify the slaughter of innocents in later holy wars. And Christians right up to the present still justify terror and unjust violence by citing Scripture.
As for Islam, if it's not a real revelation from God then it's a man-made religion and as such, it can be interpreted in multiple ways. Those who want justification for violence in the Koran will find it and those who want to find justification for a more peaceful loving religion can find that too. It's not that different from the Bible in that respect--the difference is that those of us who think the Bible really does come from God would argue that the violence-justifiers are misusing it. Which hasn't stopped it from happening over and over again.
In fact, if you adopt the viewpoint of the Frontpage article, the great many Muslims who do believe and act as though Islam is a religion of peace are more to be admired than the great many Christians (some in the US) who think Christianity gives support for this or that atrocity. The peaceful Muslims start out with a handicap reading the wrong holy book and they still act more like Christians than a great many Christians do.
Interesting review of the book by Jane Smiley in THE NATION:
www.thenation.com/doc/20071015/smiley
I honestly have no time to read the entire interview as I'm hopping military flights all over this lovely region of the world (the military excels at making one day trips into three days) and the internet cafes have a time limit. But I'd like to comment on two quotes, the first given by the interviewer:
"You argue in the book that such people want the world to go badly. They want the apocalyptic view to prevail—the idea that the world will be embroiled in chaos and violence. "
At sixteen, I left the Catholic church for evangelical Christianity. My differences with the Church were really only the basic Protests of Luther, but the evangelical movement was the most present and the most convincing and I permitted myself to be swept along with most of the agenda. I hesitate to blame that on being young and impressionable, as there are plenty of wiser and older men and women who hold to all the precepts of the Evangelical faith with good logical defenses. Perhaps I should just call my move into the whole agenda which is sold with it as underexamined. Coming back out the other side, then, the main thing I have AGAINST the movement in America today is its fatalism stemming from an obsession with premillenialism. "The world is going to heck in a handbasket," the preachers shout, "it's right there in Revelation! Why worry about the environment? We are getting a new heaven and a new earth anyway!"
More insiduous and darker: "Why worry about the impact of our wars on women and children and innocent civilians? Our national security is what is important, and besides Armageddon MUST occur before the great and glorious appearing of our Savior! It's all for the greater good!"
They make these arguments seem almost plausible, and many Americans buy it, hook line and sinker. Except for their complete and utter lack of the self-sacrificing Love without which Christianity is meaningless or worse.
And then there is this, posted by Donald:
"... the great many Muslims who do believe and act as though Islam is a religion of peace are more to be admired than the great many Christians (some in the US) who think Christianity gives support for this or that atrocity. The peaceful Muslims start out with a handicap reading the wrong holy book and they still act more like Christians than a great many Christians do."
I leave that as it stands, and wish that more of you had met and ate with and worked with as many Muslims as I have, many of whom in their exceeding love have outdone us Christians, to their credit, notwithstanding the darkness which is preached from some Muslim pulpits around the world.
I've read to chapter 40 of Crazy for God, and actually came online looking to see what other Christians are saying about it.
Most of the comments here are typical: fights about Christians and Muslims, etc...
Unlike "Betty Carter" who wrote a review of the book, I am an unknown reader of the book, of all Frank's books.
I agree with her take on it though. I guess I missed out on the honor code that says you must never speak ill of your parents. Oh, lemme guess, that is the 5th commandment.
Well ok, good, then all you have to do is write off Frank and this book by quoting the 5th commandment, saying he doesn't obey it, thus he and the book are bad.
Fine for you.
I find it very interesting, as I do many people's works/books, who are honest and funny.
I don't see what he has said that is so damaging to his parents anyway. So Edith was a bit (or way) over the top in a Martha Stewart kind of way. And Francis was overly absorbed with his work. And oh my, yelled or threw a pot, got mad, was rude to Edith. I think it's *funny* to hear about his childhood, ESPECIALLY at L'Abri. I mean, c'mon, wouldn't you EXPECT some of the kinds of things to happen that he talks about, at some chalet in the 60s and 70s in Switzerland, filled with "seekers" and donors and helpers and extended family, etc...?
What great chapters on Frank's experience at Great Walstead, one of the few schools he ever actually attended. And how he met Genie...it's a great book, if you enjoy listening to other people's stories.
Some brave Anonymous commenter wrote:
If he was not Greek Orthodox, I doubt he would find favor here.
If I made such an asinine comment, I'd want it to be anonymous too. Frank Schaeffer barely mentions his Orthodoxy in the book. I read it because I found the topic interesting, and started the first chapter ... and couldn't put it down. I know from my Evangelical friends that the Schaeffers are a very big deal, and I find the anger and frustration that the author has over having been raised a Preacher's Kid to be pretty interesting on a human level.
Of course, this commenter probably thinks anyone who doesn't like "Bella" can only have made that judgment because he wants to see unborn babies die.
Well, I just finished actually reading the book and many, many reviews, which I researched online after reading the book. Wanted to read what others were saying about the book. I was troubled by the angry tone, but anger toward parental failure I understand, having been nursed at the breast of this Off-Spring Tells-All-Ala-Oprah-or-Springer American culture. Despite Schaeffer’s European upbringing and alleged ignorance of all things American until he and Genie moved to the north east, he certainly fell right into that badly American habit. The next matter which troubled me was the self-righteousness: for those he utterly disdains, he is scathing and brutal. For his own failures, he is magnanimously understated, choosing to describe his failures and flaws as mere matters to his discredit.
He mis-remembers the conservative Christian evangelical culture. It is not, never has been, anti-American. In point of fact, the opposite is true. Foreign missionaries have often marveled to me at the fervent nationalism present in evangelical circles and speak of it as a discredit to the American Evangelical Christian. As an aside, Evangelicals believe they fight for the very soul and life of America’s future, for the underlying purpose of the gospel: if America falls to the left, then the very ability of the Christians to live out the gospel, whether in the evangelical context or liturgical context is lost. But, I digress.
Another point which troubled me occurred after I read the book and after I perused the internet. In the between time of reading the book and sitting down to the internet, I wrestled with his book, his attitude and the defeatist existentialism inherent in the book’s tone. Is he just an angry son or is he sincerely wrestling with deeper issues, I wondered to myself? However, once in the realm of the internet, my heart sank. He is neither. In his book, he decries the materialism, huckster qualities, and greedy salesmanship of the evangelical movement. He goes so far as to write about his supposed superiority by refusing to return to his previous exploitations even though he is flat broke and failing in his professional endeavors. From this, I suppose, the reader is to presume his moral superiority to those who hawk their goods in Christian circles.
But isn’t that exactly what he’s doing by hawking his book? He’s just doing it by backing into it instead of walking in the front door. Search the web, and you’ll find the many interviews and reviews which rely on his Christian credentials, political credentials, and family name for the validity of the book. He’s shamelessly exploiting the book with absolutely no difference from the worst of what he decries. This just a way to make money. As he himself states in the book, the ACLU needs the stupidity of Right to raise money and the Rutherford Institute needs the stupidity of the Left to raise money; life is good for both sides when there’s a big fight. In his book, to sell his book and make money, Schaeffer relies on the hatred and disdain the Left feels for the Right to read and discuss his book, and he relies on the outrage of the Right regarding the book’s the name calling and animosity to leaders in the Right to push book sales. This book is nothing more than an aging star’s sequel in order to make a quick buck and shore up a sagging bank account.
As a believer in the Lord Jesus, I have lived out my faith on the front lines of the pro-family movement and the political movement, and we have had many crushing moral failures and theological failures, there is absolutely no question. But human failures do not translate into philosophical failures, and Schaeffer’s attack I place in the same category as I place other human failings of other Christians. He is wrong, and he is failing the body of Christ by his exploitation. I have much more to say, but it is too long for this thread. In the end, pervasive sadness greets me when I think of this man and his book. What a shame.
I just finished reading the whole thing. I have also read his 3 Calvin Becker novels, as well as Baby Jack and his military book that he wrote with Kathy Roth-Doquet.
We'll be interviewing him December 1.
I agree with the World Magazine reader (responding to the World Magazine interview with Frank Schaeffer that can be found via this link http://www.worldmag.com/articles/13401) who said:
"I'm sure I'm not the only one who wishes Frank Schaeffer would grow up. A 300-page book telling us that his parents (Francis and Edith Schaeffer) are human is a terrible waste of trees"
—Bill Crouse; Richardson, Texas
I would only add my own comments (which I emailed to World Magazine but were not published) which were . . .
"I have noticed over the years that in his books and lectures Frank Schaeffer somehow fails to apply the same high standards and 'clear' thinking to himself that he applies so liberally to others.
Apparently Jesus' command to 'First get the beam out of your own eye' doesn't apply to the sons of famous, influential Christian authors."
(email to World Magazine)
Personally, I have felt this way since the late 1970's when Frank was publicly railing again, and again against the appallingly mediocre quality of the Christian art of the time while generating his own glut of appallingly mediocre art. I'm sure that anyone who has read "Addicted to Mediocrity" (written at the level of about a C+ college freshman) or seen "Wired to Killed" (produced at the level of a High School film class project) or any of Frank's other painfully awful films (it was amusing to read how he justified doing low budget horror films as "art" in Christianity Today) will be nodding their head in agreement at this point.
I recall that "back in the day" it was painful and embarrassing to hear both Dr. Schaeffer and Edith gushing over their son's bad art and rationalizing his rude behavior. Looking back I realize now that they were simply two proud parents blinded by their love for their son - easy to forgive, but hard to forget given how Frank has turned out.
This is all very, very sad (and, to my way of thinking FAR too public).
Never-the-less, despite my disapproval over his ongoing misadventures I wish Frank all the best and hope that someday he will find the peace, serenity and maturity that seems to have somehow eluded him so far.
God bless us one and all.
/fwa
Don't forget he also got reviewed in The Nation by Jane Smiley.
My own take on this particular book:
I think Schaeffer effectively burned every bridge he had.
I agree with much of what he says about Bush, I also agree with much of what he has to say about the "Pro-life" movement and the inconsistencies of their overall vision, and I also agree with his support of the military.
This was a book that was a long time coming. From his three Calvin Becker novels to the zeal with which he decided to partake in the debate about the Iraq war as well as his unfailing support for the military, this book pretty much puts everything that Frank Schaeffer feels, which includes some family dirt.
However, one can't help but feel the very real and deep affection he had for his father, the respect he had for his father's work prior to becoming politicized (at, by the way, Frank's (Jr) insistence --his Dad originally had not wanted to become involved in the Pro-life/religious right movement.
In addition, his 'misadventures' in regards to his military books have been extraordinarily well received within the military community. His thoughts on "selective service" are worth considering, and he comes across as earnest, a bit naive when he was doing the right wing schtick, and determined to separate his father from the likes of the more politically minded Ralph Reed, Pat Robertson, Dr. Dobson and others.
Well, I haven't read the book yet. When I do, I don't suppose my comments will be nearly so erudite as those already posted. I only know that watching Frank Schaeffer last night on C-span was Recognition. Frank Schaeffer and I share similar backgrounds -- raised outside of the US mostly, around missionaries, parents in church leadership -- and Frank and I have come to much the same place. SICK OF EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANITY Yet --- still believing the Apostle's Creed. I can't be a Roman Catholic, guess I'll check into Greek Orthodoxy.
Seems to me there's a trend toward disparaging his book, disparaging him --- but throwing in some Christian charity to take the edge off -- because he's messin' with everyones complacency.
Just finished CRAZY, so things are a little unprocessed but here goes. I'm returning to the original question, although the Iraq War as the context for sacrifice of FS' son in patriotic duty (good kind) is important, when he was sacrificed for missionary work (bad kind) .
I went to L'Abri after quitting college and much of my Christian experience was shaped by studying and working there for five years. Because of my particular role as an all-around aide on sometimes 16 hour days for both Francis and Edith Schaeffer, I guess I saw a lot. For starters, I wasn't shocked at the disclosures about FS' mom and dad, because there wasn't really the pretense of putting on a show. These people were letting scores of people live in their home, feeding and caring for them, as well as openly admitting their human foibles and sins. I think every wedding gift they received had been broken in the process. So, a reality check may be necessary if you put the Schaeffers on a false pedestal of saintliness, but my respect for them is because of what they achieved, given their weaknesses (depression, anger, vanity). They pressed on anyway, said their prayers at the end and beginning of each day, laying out sins committed and the plans ahead of them.
I am sad and glad now for FS and where he currently is on his journey, but can't help noting the contradictions that he is actually still fully involved in, ie making a living off of all this history that he is supposedly separating himself from, wanting to make it on his own and lead a normal life. I suppose life has given him a wealth of material, but I wonder if a more private exorcism of his ghosts would've sufficed, such as between his spiritual mentors and his own family? To put it bluntly, why not quietly just go away, rather than feed our there-is-no-public-sphere- because-the-private-has-subsumed-it talk-radio culture? Sells books, pays the bills, but puts him on the circuit, again, no?
I also find the "fundamentalism" tag too slippery and convenient, given its pejorative use today. FS does qualify it some, but, generally speaking, the work of his parents was to undo the narrowness of this approach, thus the emphasis on the arts, education, and culture. FS is free to write of what happened to him during childhood, but since he jumps to a level of meta-analysis, too, then you need the bigger picture of why FS felt caught in a fundamentalist family bind when everyone else (Christians, at least) saw it as a fundie detox center. It's an interesting paradox that FS' freewheeling, unstructured rearing jived with being trapped, eventually performing politico-spiritual cliches at public arenas for a living.
FS was the source of the corruption, I gather. Is this the story of the prodigal son who turns the family farm into a hormone-injected, agri-business? To whom does one seek apology for that sin? On what level does the book function as that sort of apology? Vaguely to America, I guess, but that seems somewhat grandiose and participating in the same hubris of that dream of taking back America. Better to direct an apology towards a surviving parent, rather than humiliate her.
I think though that the change in Francis & Edith Schaeffer, as they became media figures, is true, as they aligned with the religious right. I admired them for this, actually, because they were willing to do it for the sake of the unborn, even though that single-issue approach reaped problems, including the eventual evangelical courting of power politics rather than arguing of ideas, besides placing them in bizarre situations and weird
forgot the last word at my posting's end:
"...besides placing them in bizarre situations and weird company."
Someone wrote above:
"He mis-remembers the conservative Christian evangelical culture. It is not, never has been, anti-American. In point of fact, the opposite is true. Foreign missionaries have often marveled to me at the fervent nationalism present in evangelical circles and speak of it as a discredit to the American Evangelical Christian. "
I think this is correct. One of American Evangelicalism/Fundamentalism's big problems is it's often blind patriotism and continued belief in the Pilgrim separatist's idea of America being "A City Set Upon a Hill" , "the New Zion" .
I can believe that Frank Schaeffer may very well have been anti-American in his views during those days. He seemed pretty much "anti" Everything if you read his books from that time. It says more about Frank that he misconstrued "anti-Americanism" in the Fundamentalists dire warnings of impending apocalyptic doom brought on by the declining morals of America which in their views were a precursor to the End Times Great Tribulation. (this is not unique to Protestant fundamentalists; someone mentioned the same apocalyptic thinking that runs through a certain strain of Catholic piety which is obsessed with the prophecies revealed at Fatima) . No doubt the pre-mill , pre-trib rapture eschatology has led to great confusion in the minds of many American fundamentalists/evangelicals. (thank God that aberrational view seems to now be waning) .
But anyone who ever actually spent some time around real , ordinary American evangelicals (not the isolated little world of Christian TV hosts and Christian celebrities on the lecture circuit) know that they tend to almost verge on idolatry , viewing the United States as "God's Chosen Nation' . They are not anti-American.
One thing that bothers me about Frank Schaeffer's nonfiction writing is that Frank has inherited the worst aspect of his father's writing , which is a pronounced tendency to over-simplify history and to selectively quote only those parts which fit his agenda. He tosses off all sorts of inaccuracies and anachronisms. Some of his criticisms of Evangelicalism or Fundamentalism are accurate, but presented in the most broad-brushing, uncharitable way. Frank's anecdotal evidence is being uncritically swallowed by many who are predisposed to want to see anyone they perceive as being on the "Religious Right" brought low because Frank's stories stroke them where they feel good. (example would be Jane Smiley's review in The Nation ) . These people would be equally delighted to see a tell-all that made Roman Catholic or Orthodox leaders look bad .
I think you and the readers of your blog would do well to read these words from:
Books & Culture, March/April 2008
Fathers and Sons
On Francis Schaeffer, Frank Schaeffer, and Crazy for God.
by Os Guinness
If asked what is the deepest relationship imaginable, many people would say it is between lovers, or between husbands and wives. The case can be made, however, that from a Christian perspective, no relationship is more mysterious and more wonderful, yet sometimes more troubling, than that of fathers and sons. The depth and wonder begin with all we know of the relationship of God the Father and God the Son, while the troubled aspects stem from the Fall. Consider Absalom's rebellion against King David in the Old Testament, Edmund Gosse's exposure of his father Philip, the Oedipal drive in the writings of Sigmund Freud—and now Frank Schaeffer's Crazy for God, a memoir that is his personal apologia at the expense of his famous father, Francis Schaeffer, who was the founder and leader of the worldwide network of L'Abri communities.
Frank Schaeffer unquestionably adored his father, just as his father passionately adored him. Having lived in their home for more than three years, I have countless memories of this, including the sight of the two of them wrestling on the floor of the living room of their chalet, and ending with a fierce hug. Yet no critic or enemy of Francis Schaeffer has done more damage to his life's work than his son Frank—a result that one might not be able to infer from many reviews of the memoir, including that which appeared in the previous issue of Books & Culture.
The problem is not so much that Frank exposes and trumpets his parents' flaws and frailties, or that he skewers them with his characteristic mockery. It is more than that. For all his softening, the portrait he paints amounts to a death-dealing charge of hypocrisy and insincerity at the very heart of their life and work. In Frank's own words, his parents were "crazy for God." Their call to the ministry "actually drove them crazy," so that "religion was actually the source of their tragedy." His dad was under "the crushing belief that God had 'called' him to save the world." Because of this, his parents were "happiest when farthest away from their missionary work." Back at their calling, they were "professional proselytizers," their teaching was "indoctrination," and it was unclear whether people came to faith or were "brainwashed" and "under the spell" of his parents. Frank's own arguments in their support, he now says, were a kind of "circus trick."
Frank's baleful influence on his father is a textbook example of how Christian ministries and organizations can be ruined through undermining their own principles—in this case, through nepotism and family politics.
Commenting on the time when Francis Schaeffer went through his watershed crisis of doubt in 1951, which he claimed was pivotal to his faith and work, Frank says it was never resolved with any integrity: "Somehow he convinced himself to still believe." His father's "stunted" theological convictions "he held on to more as emotional baggage … than for any intellectual reason." Really? "Left to himself, Dad never talked about theology or God … . God and the Bible were work." And he was different when away from L'Abri altogether: "Dad never said grace over meals. It was as if Dad and I had a secret agreement that away from L'Abri, we were secular people."
And so it goes. With such a son, who needs enemies? To be sure, Frank tries to nuance the conclusion: "I once thought Dad's ability to present two very different faces to the world—one to his family and one to the public—was gross hypocrisy. I think very differently now. I believe Dad was a very brave man," one who simply had to "carry on"—the victim, presumably, of his own unresolved but inadmissible inner tensions. Yet there is no way round it. Francis Schaeffer, in his son's portrait, lacked intellectual integrity. There was a lie at the very heart of the work of L'Abri, and the thousands of people who over the decades came to L'Abri and came to faith or deepened in faith, were obviously conned too.
I challenge this central charge of Frank's with everything in me. I and many of my closest friends, who knew the Schaeffers well, are certain beyond a shadow of doubt that they would challenge it too. Defenders of truth to others, Francis and Edith Schaeffer were people of truth themselves.
For six years I was as close to Frank as anyone outside his own family, and probably closer than many in his family. I was his best man at his wedding. Life has taken us in different directions over the past thirty years, but I counted him my dear friend and went through many of the escapades he recounts and many more that would not bear rehearsing in print. It pains me to say, then, that his portrait is cruel, distorted, and self-serving, but I cannot let it pass unchallenged without a strong insistence on a different way of seeing the story. There is all the difference in the world between flaws and hypocrisy. Francis and Edith Schaeffer were lions for truth. No one could be further from con artists, even unwitting con artists, than the Francis and Edith Schaeffer I knew, lived with, and loved.
Crazy for God unquestionably has its humorous passages. It also has some pages of lyrical beauty and poignancy in which Frank describes his wife Genie and his daughter Jessica. I have no problem with a picture of Francis Schaeffer "warts and all." I knew him well, and could have added one or two stories myself. He was always open about his flaws, just as he was compassionate toward those of others. I had my own disagreements with him. My wife and I actually left L'Abri in 1973 for principled reasons, grieved but certain that we, along with several others, needed to break with a community that we believed was missing its way—mainly because of the direction Frank was intent on taking it.
Yet despite all that, for those of us who were part of the story of L'Abri in the late '60s and early '70s, the better qualities and the legitimate revelations in the memoir are overwhelmed by a blindness and bitterness that cannot be excused. No one who witnessed the stature and diversity of the thousands who came to L'Abri's 50th-anniversary celebration in 2005 could doubt the depth of quiet, enduring gratitude that thousands owe to Francis and Edith Schaeffer. For many of us, they changed our lives forever and set us off on the strenuous and costly path we are still pursuing decades later with no reservations and no regret.
Are there other problems with the book? First, Frank's portrayal of his mother is cruel and deeply dishonoring, monstrously ungrateful since she poured herself out for him far more than his workaholic father. Edith Schaeffer was one of the most remarkable women of her generation, the like of whom we will not see again in our time. I have never met such a great heart of love, and such indomitable faith, tireless prayer, boundless energy, passionate love for life and beauty, lavish hospitality, irrepressible laughter, and seemingly limitless time for people—all in a single person. There is no question that she was a force of nature, and that her turbo-personality left many people, and particularly young women who tried to copy her, gasping in her slipstream. To many of us she was a second mother, and in many ways she was the secret of L'Abri.
Yet Frank describes his mother as a "high-powered nut," who was "best at the martyrdom game." He mocks her with vitriol in several of his books, and her incredible and justly celebrated passion for beauty and excellence he dismisses with a postmodern sneer as a mission that was "nothing less than repairing the image of fundamentalism." Several times I saw her reduced to tears in private after his barbs against her. But now in her nineties, with her failing memory, she neither fully knows nor is able to respond to all he has written about her. "If I read it," she said to me about one of Frank's earlier books, "it would probably break my heart."
Second, Frank's descriptions of other people and events are often equally irresponsible and wildly inaccurate. He rightly disavows the immaturity of his early books and films. He was as "addicted to mediocrity" as anyone he attacked. But for all his improved writing style, his manner of sneering dismissals is unchanged. Sometimes he is ludicrously negative, as in his remarks about Billy Graham and Carl Henry. Sometimes he is self-servingly positive, citing compliments from people—such as Malcolm Muggeridge—who were well known for their overall scathing dismissals of both Francis and Frank. Sometimes he is just plain cruel, as in his description of the woman assigned to be his home school tutor—and as in most cruelty, he is worst when mocking those unable to reply.
Third, Frank's broad dismissals of faith different from his own are often absurd, and his portrayal of recent Christian history is woefully ignorant. On the one hand, he routinely conflates evangelicalism with fundamentalism, or disdainfully dismisses evangelicalism as "fundamentalism-lite," the child of an older fundamentalism. The reverse, of course, is true. Fundamentalism is the recent movement, and evangelicalism pre-dates it by centuries. On the other hand, he inflates his own role in founding the Religious Right, even if out of self-flagellating disgust.
Frank says he was "the prime mover and shaker when it came to making sure that Dad got truly famous within the evangelical subculture," and that he and his father were "amongst the first to start telling American evangelicals that God wanted them involved in the political process." Yet Francis Schaeffer's international recognition came far earlier than the Religious Right, and calling Schaeffer "the father of the religious right" overlooks the far more crucial early role of such players as Ed McAteer, Paul Weyrich, Richard Viguerie, and Jerry Falwell, who were the real fathers of the movement.
Apart from these flaws, and above all the central one mentioned first, Frank Schaeffer's memoir raises other grave issues for me. For a start, I am dismayed by the responses to the book. It has understandably given perverse comfort to those who already dislike the Christian faith, or evangelicalism, or conservatism. More troubling is how many evangelical reviewers and readers have betrayed symptoms of the postmodern disease in their response. The book's revelations are taken as gospel and the book is judged in terms of its style rather than its substance. Our postmodern age is a free schooling in cynicism, so nothing is ever what it appears to be and there are no heroes once you see what really makes people tick. But no one should take Frank's allegations at face value.
At a deeper level, Frank's baleful influence on his father is a textbook example of how Christian ministries and organizations can be ruined through undermining their own principles—in this case, through nepotism and family politics. We have a rash of nepotism currently afflicting evangelicalism across the board, so this point carries wider lessons. In the early 1970s, when I was considering my long-term future at the Swiss L'Abri, I remember asking John Stott and James Houston what sort of questions I should be asking. Among other things, they both made the same point: "Watch and see whether the Schaeffers truly give authority to those who are not family members, or whether the family members are always more equal than others."
Frank unwittingly confirms their wisdom by openly admitting that his role was the result of "nepotism," and by acknowledging that "it was our family, not the other L'Abri workers and members, who were really calling the shots." Yet the worst example of nepotism and family politics was his own disastrous persuading of his father to enter the political fray. After the Lausanne Congress in 1974, I remember well how Francis was blackly depressed, believing he had no more to say. It was Frank, alarmed at what he saw, who then abandoned his own aspirations as an artist and became his father's "sidekick" in order to re-charge his father with visions of political activism.
In the process Frank overrode the established principles of how decisions were made at L'Abri. As he acknowledges, he "goaded" Schaeffer toward the strident and increasingly gloomy last period of his life, and he himself became a brash and intemperate hothead, notorious for his slashing attacks on evangelical scholars who disagreed with him. The net effect of Frank's efforts was to sow the seeds of his own self-loathing, and also to return his father to fundamentalism and to undermine his reputation in the long term. That was the first time in my experience at L'Abri when a major decision was made without unanimity among the leaders, and it was clear that the family trumped everyone else and Frank trumped everyone else in the family. It was the breaking point for me and many others.
The deepest issue of all lies in how all this happened, and here Frank gives us the clue but never follows the trail with the honesty he should have. Throughout the memoir he says he was neglected by his parents, which may have been true—though he was always central in the daily thoughts and prayers of his mother, and at the time he welcomed the neglect as freedom. Frank also hints at his ability to manipulate his parents because of their guilt over the neglect: "No one has more power over a loving father (especially if that father feels a bit guilty for neglecting his children) than a beloved son."
But neglect and guilt are not the deepest explanation. The real truth is that Franky, as he then called himself, was spoiled. He was more like a poster child for Benjamin Spock than the son of "fundamentalist missionaries." Having been born well after his sisters, and having survived polio as a child, he was rarely challenged, disciplined, or denied. As a result, he grew up a "little Napoleon," as some of the L'Abri students called him. He would boast that he could twist his parents around his little finger, and time and again he proved it.
Running away from boarding school at fifteen, Frank was bright and gifted, with talents that showed as clearly in his art then as in his writing now. But he bucked at all formal education and serious tutoring, and his claim that he then received a "'great books' British university-level literature course" comes as quite a surprise to his tutor. Francis actually praised Frank's dropping out of school to a friend of mine, arguing that "Christians should be like Bolsheviks." Later, pushed far out of his depth by the momentum of his and his father's activism, Frank found himself propelled into becoming the arrogant, pompous, and hollow young fraud that, to his credit, he came to loathe and then repudiate. Frank himself is where the con artistry came into the story.
In sum, the combination of neglect, guilt, nepotism, and spoiling was a toxic brew. Some sons of famous Christian fathers are pushed by their fathers into following in their footsteps, and they respond with a slow-burning resentment that comes to cast a shadow on their fathers' reputations. In Frank's case, he chose to steer his father's steps for his father's sake, so he is responsible rather than resentful. But he is responsible for what he now acknowledges was a horrible outcome, so he turns on his entire upbringing to excuse his role.
Does all this matter outside the Schaeffer family and the wider L'Abri community, which in its many branches continues the Schaeffer's work quietly and effectively? Would it not be better to let sleeping dogs lie, and judge Frank's memoir by its readability? There are powerful lessons here for any organization and ministry in which the founder's family plays a part. But what matters in the end is that Francis and Edith Schaeffer's place in 20th-century evangelicalism—and their contribution to the lives of so many—is too important to surrender to such a scurrilous caricature.
Speaking for myself, my heritage is not fundamentalism and my intellectual mentor is the eminent sociologist Peter Berger. But there is much that I owe directly to Francis Schaeffer, such as my understanding of apologetics. One thing above all I will never deny, and for that I am eternally grateful, however great his flaws and however wrong he was on certain details of philosophy and history: I have never met anyone anywhere like Francis Schaeffer, who took God so passionately seriously, people so passionately seriously, and truth so passionately seriously. The combination was dynamite, and it is that vision and style of faith, rather than the content of his thinking, which is the debt I owe to him. With Nietzsche, Schaeffer could well have said, "All truth is bloody truth to me." The idea that such a man was "crazy for God," let alone a two-faced con man, is and will always be utterly anathema to me. I was there. I saw otherwise, and I and many of my friends have been marked for life.
One of Frank's more curious accusations is that evangelicals have no sense of the journey of faith. Perhaps he has forgotten John Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress, which has far outsold any other account of the journey of life and faith. And that is where I find hope at the end of Frank's memoir. He is plainly still on the road. The book is dedicated to his daughter Jessica, and he hints of his guilt over the way he treated her when she was small. He may yet examine himself more deeply, and he may yet find himself at home with his faith. I pray he will one day.
Forty years ago, Frank and his father used to mock the weak ending of John Osborne's play Luther, in which the ringing certainty of "Here I stand" was replaced by the hesitancy of "I hope so." Yet "I hope so" and "If there is a God" are the very words Frank uses to describe his own Orthodox faith now. With his prodigious but wayward talents, my old friend still has the air of the restless prodigal.
But we all have journeying still to be done—in Frank's case, a long and winding journey home indeed, but with both a waiting Father and a waiting father and mother at its end.
Neurosis easily wears the mask of Religion.
I understand what Os is saying in his review. I think that in large part the things that Frank "revealed" about his parents and family had been at least alluded to by Mrs Schaeffer years before. She discussed her husband's tendency to throw things, his temper, her own reaction to criticism of essentially going into high gear. She also alluded to disagreements at family reunions. etc. Now, admittedly, she put a different spin on things than Frank did. From her perspective it was merely examples of living in a fallen world and examples of how in a family we are to remain loyal in spite of these problems. Frank sees this as over-spiritualizing things, I tend to see it as an important reminder that family is a place of growth and forgiveness. However, the fact is that most of what Frank lays out vividly his mother had laid out more quietly years ago.
Mrs. Schaeffer, and Susan Macaulay as well, have always used illustrations from their own family life to make points. Consequently anyone who is familiar with their books and Frank's earlier Sham Pearls for Real Swine, shouldn't be tremendously surprised by what he has to say in Crazy for God. Nor should they be surprised that a Schaeffer would be willing to reveal family secrets. It does seem to me that not only Frank, but Debby Middleman and Priscilla Sandri at least have mixed feelings about their growing up years. It seems like much of what Frank is remembering is things that happened before the years that most of Dr. Schaeffer's impact was felt. He focuses on the years of pietism, even while admitting that this was not his parents' stance later on. However, sometimes he conflates the two eras in a way that seems to accuse his parents of hypocrisy even when he admits that their stance changed.
I suspect that both Schaeffers were under a great deal of stress when they had 30 extra people living in their house constantly. I suspect that it was a great deal of stress dealing with the finances and the simple day to day physical work that needed to be done. Whether those stresses caused more "craziness" or not, who knows.
I do think that it is important for Christians to look at the impact that their "ministry" is having on their family. Far too often the needs and best interests of the family are put on the back burner as the ministry swallows up all the time and energy. Mrs. Schaeffer was clearly aware of that problem when she wrote What is A Family. That she and Dr. Schaeffer didn't manage to avoid those particular shoals is perhaps a lesson we should all learn from. There is good reason for the Catholic Church's decision to adhere to clerical celibacy. It is extremely difficult for a married couple to meet the needs of their children, each other, and a ministry all at the same time. At the time that L'Abri was at its height of popularity there were other Christian communities attempting similar kinds of communal life, if not similar kinds of apologetic ministry. Many of the children who grew up in those communities are now far from the faith because of their experiences in these settings. I suspect that many of them will find Frank's experiences to be familiar.
Os came to L'Abri as a grownup. Even the Schaeffer daughters did not have their growing up years in the midst of the L'Abri of the 60's and 70's. Only Frank grew up in the midst of it all. I doubt that his parents intended to forget about him, and it's clear that they supported his artistic pursuits and attempted to find educational settings for him that were appropriate. That they failed to find help for his dyslexia is not all that unusual. I've observed a number of young men who've gone through public schools in our area who were no more literate at 11 than Frank was despite special reading programs and certified teachers. If Mrs. Schaeffer had been able to devote hours a day to Frank's home study program, and had she been aware of some of the programs out there dealing with dyslexia perhaps he would have had an easier time of it. However, there are no guarantees of that. What is clear is that while the Schaeffer's were aware that Frank wasn't making good progress academically, they either didn't have the time to deal with the problem effectively, or more likely they simply didn't know how to do so. In an era before the internet searches finding help for learning disabilities was not easy, even in metropolitan areas, and in the small town of Huemoz it must have been even more difficult. However, quite clearly the Schaeffers were not able to give Frank the same degree of attention that they were able to give their daughters when they were young and growing up in St. Louis. So all that other people gained from L'Abri and the Schaeffer's ministry was to some degree at Frank's expense and even to some degree at the expense of their daughters.
I strongly suspect that Frank's story is not yet over. He has been critical of fundamentalists for a long time and many of the criticisms he lodged in Sham Pearls have proved to be incredibly valid. His own experience of faith is much more grounded in the worship than in theology at this point. That may continue to be the case, or he may come to find a balance between the two halves of his life at some point. What is clear is that at this point he, like some other writers (Evelyn Waugh comes to mind) has found satire to be a style that works for him. In Crazy for God, as in his first three novels he is mining his own past and mining the part of his past in which his birth family played a huge role. In Baby Jack and some of his other later work that is not the case. I can easily see Frank writing a novel about life in an Orthodox parish, or about a New England prep school, or life as a painter and never once referring to the fundamentalist world or his parents at all.
I grew up in a very conservative Evangelical Presbyterian Church that split away from the USA Presbytery. They split because of questions over homosexuality and abortion and people in the USA questioning the Bible. I remember being shown films by Dr. Shcaffer as well as the famous Focus on the Family films by Dobson. Growing up I bought into the theology hook, line and sinker. Including trying to collect signatures for Pro-Life groups.
When I was 15 I made a startling discovery about myself. I was undoubtedly attracted to the same sex. For the next 20 years I did everything I could to try and continue to fit in to the church and figure out how God could change me so I would not have these feeelings. It did not work.
I struggled with my faith for many years and I was miserable. I was depressed and at points suicidal because I was constantly told I could not be a Christian and a Homosexual.
The problem with the conservative evangelical church is that they want to practice this form of what I call Country Club Politics and Theology. They say all are welcome but most of these churches cater to white middle class Republicans. They want only people who believe what they believe and they do not want any deviants like myself screwing up the system.
They think nothing about lying in order to tell the "truth". A few examples saying that the majority of homosexual men will have hundreds or thousands of sexual partners during their lifetime. Abortion is simply a device of the radical feminist movement so that women can abort their babies to have a career. And that homosexual men are all predators who just want to recruit boys into homosexual lifestyles.
Conservative evangelicals want to attack other groups of people they do not agree with but whine when they feel their rights are being violated. Even though I have witnessed many incidents where they have blatantly provoked the situation.
I think that God is disgusted with the church in their exclusive be like us or get out attitude. I know I certainly am.
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