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Ron Paul Revolution

Tuesday November 6, 2007

Categories: Republicans
The more I think about it, the more excited I get about Ron Paul's stunning fundraising accomplishment. Daniel Larison weighs in on the Paul threat to the GOP mandarins: Despite the fact that he has explicitly and repeatedly ruled out...
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jaybird
November 6, 2007 11:04 PM

I think Ron Paul is a refreshing change from the typical which-way-is-the-wind-blowing-today? type of politician we usually get, but Kevin Drum puts the Ron Paul mania back in perspective:

But look: can we stop pretending to be political infants, even if we happen to be bored this week? It's cheap and easy to take extreme, uncompromising positions when you have no actual chance of ever putting them into practice, so Paul's extreme, uncompromising positions really don't mean a thing. They don't reflect either well or badly on him. They're meaningless, and I wish grown adults who know better would stop pretending otherwise. Ditto for his "record breaking" fundraising day, which is just a function of (a) the growth of the internet as a political money machine and (b) the curious but well-known fact that technophiles are disproportionately libertarian.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2007_11/012452.php

Anonymous
November 7, 2007 12:06 AM

I thought the Simon and Garfunkle was really groovy but I think Crosby Stills Nash and Young doing that tin soldiers song would have been even more far out--Four Dead in O-Hio and all that. Way cool to see Bill Maher and Jon Stewart with Ron speaking truth to the Man--that's the kind of guy I'm sure to vote for. It'd be even heavier to see him with Michael Moore too.

James
November 7, 2007 2:05 AM

I'm a University of Florida student, and Ron Paul's exploitation of the Andrew Meyer ("Don't Tase me, bro!") film has lost him a lot of credibility in my eyes.

The video clip that got onto YouTube makes a great soundbite, sure, but the University of Florida is NOT a police state. The clip doesn't show Meyer's disruptive and abusive actions-- cutting in front of other students, shouting down Senator Kerry when he was answering a question-- that led the officer to ask him to sit down. The YouTube clip begins after Meyer had already refused, and convinced Kerry to answer *his* questions instead of those students who were in line in front of him.

The State of Florida has conducted an independent review of the incident, exonerated and reinstated the police officers involved. Meyer has apologized quite thoroughly for disrupting the forum and casting negative light on our university. Check out his statements at MeyerCase.com ; and the full independent review at president.ufl.edu/incident

If the Ron Paul campaign is using these clips to promote their agenda, they're engaging in the same spin-doctoring that everybody else is, and are acting just as deceitful as the rest.

James
November 7, 2007 2:07 AM

The quote that precedes the Meyer clip in this video is about "instruments of tyranny" at home. Ron Paul apparently believes that the University of Florida is an "instrument of tyranny," and that means I can't trust Ron Paul.

Reader John
November 7, 2007 6:47 AM

In keeping with my "glass half empty" disposition, I'll start with the clearly negative:
1. From what I know of the University of Florida incident, I agree with James.
2. The dissing of Giuliani's marital history was a false note, the dredging up of polygamists in Romney's family tree exceedingly cheesy (that will be true of almost any family that has been Mormon for several generations).

Now the relatively positive:
1. I found nothing cheesy about the end, even though guns are not a hot button issue with me. Symbols like returning part of his office budget each year are not, IMHO, silly but, well, symbolic.
2. The anti-war message is powerful. The refusal of the rest of the GOP field to deviate one iota from Dubya's chiliastic imperialism (read his second inaugural) is depressing.

Jeremy Rich
November 7, 2007 6:55 AM

I'm not sure what kind of impact Ron Paul will eventually have, but the kind of critique Drum gave is typical for a major party to shut down a potential threat. I wonder if Nelson Rockefeller and other Republicans of his kind in 1964 (I hate "moderate" or "liberal" to describe them - I don't think either realy works well) trashed Goldwater in the same way before he won the nomination. Of course, the Goldwater supporters eventually took over the party! I don't know if the same will happen for Paul's supporters. The crack about the internet seems ironic from supporters of the same party in 2004 that used the internet, though - Swift Boats for Truth, anyone?

No matter what happens, I dread what "political adulthood" will entail for conservative Republicans if Guliani wins the nomination.

Rod Dreher
November 7, 2007 8:00 AM

If the Ron Paul campaign is using these clips to promote their agenda, they're engaging in the same spin-doctoring that everybody else is, and are acting just as deceitful as the rest.

You're right -- Taze-Bro Guy was no innocent victim of the police state. But please keep in mind that this video was not produced or even endorsed by the Paul campaign. It was created by a follower.

Rod Dreher
November 7, 2007 8:02 AM

And by the way, I don't think Paul will be president, and I'm not at all sure it would be a good thing if he were. I'm very pleased with what the Paul phenomenon is doing for American politics, though, especially for (or to, depending on your perspective) GOP politics.

stephen
November 7, 2007 9:23 AM

You're right -- Taze-Bro Guy was no innocent victim of the police state. But please keep in mind that this video was not produced or even endorsed by the Paul campaign. It was created by a follower.

Thats good to know because that part was very uninspiring.

Josh Crozier
November 7, 2007 11:36 AM

Rod's right on. I have followed Ron Paul for a number of years and his Libertarian rhetoric would not be healthy for the US, nor would it help rebuild our credibility on the international stage. However his willingness to address our weaknesses as a nation (which clearly draws the ire of the other candidates who want to wave a flag and pretend we as a nation make no mistakes) is reminiscent of Pat Buchanon in '88. It is like an alarm clock that hurts when it rings at 5am, but you have to acknowledge is necessary.

Hey, Rod. i would be interested to get your feedback on Pat Robertson's endorsement of Guiliani. This election is getting more interesting every day.

John
November 7, 2007 11:54 AM

That video inspired the heck out of me ... where do I send my check?

Rod, it's only because of people like you who are willing to break with the flow that things are ever going to get better in American politics. So thanks.

James
November 7, 2007 4:16 PM

But please keep in mind that this video was not produced or even endorsed by the Paul campaign.

Ah-- I'd missed that. So I can still like Ron Paul after all. Thanks!

Larry Parker
November 7, 2007 6:08 PM

Something fundraising-wise that neither Hillary Clinton nor Barack Obama (let alone the other Republicans) have done ... geez, you have to at least pay attention.

If Huckabee continues to struggle in his own fundraising, you have to put Paul in the top 5 with F. Thompson, Giuliani, McCain and Romney. And Paul clearly has the firmest grassroots support, which counts for something in a GOP primary. So you never know.

Alicia
November 8, 2007 1:51 PM

(Slight Spoiler if you haven't read Book 7 of Harry Potter)

I was in some slight sympathy with "Don't Taze me Bro" guy until the Today Show showed a clip of him holding up a "Harry Dies" sign in order to provoke Harry Potter fans. Then I decided that what happened to him was karma, pure and simple.

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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