Crunchy Con

Them and us

Friday November 30, 2007

Categories: Culture, Decline and fall
David Brooks today profiles Edward Tian, a Chinese Internet mogul who rose from being a child casualty of the Cultural Revolution, to being one of the most powerful men in China. It's an amazing tale, really. Tian's parents were dispossessed...
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John E.
November 30, 2007 7:21 PM

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I had to think about why I was behaving about that. Jayziz, can you imagine your average American today thinking that in a similar situation? Two generations ago, yes. But today? Here you have a tremendously rich and powerful Chinese executive, but he still has the humility to want to improve himself (as distinct from merely enriching himself).
>>>>


Apples and oranges - 'your average American' doesn't have the qualities necessary to become a rich and powerful executive either.

I would suggest that the sort of Americans who do become rich and powerful executives also have the humility to want to improve themselves.

j swift
December 1, 2007 12:11 AM

"rebellion against authority, self-satisfaction, the obsession with self-gratification, the groundless demand for "respect" disconnected from one's own behavior -- is crippling his students' future by rotting their character."

Wow, you complain about these social maladies like they came with hip-hop, or was it the hippies, or was it Elvis....

Pffffft, these maladies have always existed and arose from the capitalism of the modern era of affluence, materialism and consumerism of the 1950's. These maladies arose from poverty which is always with us.

Yes, let's applaud the rich, even if they are not above breaking the law or violating business ethics to make an extra buck. That is a different kind of rebellion against authority, I guess. Let's applaud the rich, even when they buy a 400,000 dollar car that serves no practical purpose other than to gratify their need to drive faster than the speed limit. Let's applaud the old money trust fund babies who have no clue how to take responsibility for their drinking and driving and then expect to be treated with "respect" merely because they are rich. By all means let's applaud Mr. Tian for his success without questioning his integrity and make generalizations about another entire group of people based on the music they listen to, the sagging pants they wear and maybe even if the color of their skin.

Money and greed rot the character. Just look at the numerous politicians over the past two three years who are being investigated for corruption. Just look at Ted Haggard, you think his fall came as the result of anything other than the money and power that he gathered?

Richard Roberts power and access to money did not lead to his recent resignation?

The ignorance is stunning.


Larry Parker
December 1, 2007 12:34 AM

Rod:

Serious question:

What on earth do raunchy hip-hop and "gangsta" culture have to do with legitimate psychological/psychiatric therapy?

Daniel
December 1, 2007 9:28 AM

I was wondering the same thing, Larry.

sigaliris
December 1, 2007 9:42 AM

The irony is that "self-gratifying" young men in "rebellion against authority" share Rod's contempt for legitimate therapy. Something in common!

MrWonderful
December 1, 2007 12:19 PM

And exactly what DID you think about "our therapized American culture," Rod?

Did you think that the question of "why I behaved like that" is exactly what therapy addresses? Did you think that if your Chinese tycoon had been "therapized" he would have known exactly why he behaved like that, and would able to NOT behave like that in the future?

It sounds like you equate "therapizing" with self-indulgence. And yet you fancy yourself, and probably are, an educated person.

I wonder why you behave like that.

scarshapedstar
December 1, 2007 3:32 PM

The essential conceit of the "therapy is bad" crowd is this:

In the Olden Days (a period starting roughly 4.5 billion years ago and ending sometime during Rod Dreher's adolescence) to, there was no crime, there were no whorehouses, no substance abuse, and adults never had sex or uttered profanities, even in private. All the children were obedient and well-behaved and learned and went on to be productive members of society.

The fact that this picture is completely divorced from reality doesn't seem to dissuade them.

scarshapedstar
December 1, 2007 3:43 PM

Oh, I forgot to mention that the only reason everyone was such a model citizen back then was that they were told they would go to hell if they stepped out of line, whereas nowadays they just walk to talk about your "feelings".

In a way, it's the most narcissistic philosophy imaginable. Everyone who's ever lived has gone through the realization that they were happier as a child; I sure was, even though my family wasn't well off and I was spanked every other day. As an adult, I don't know where my life is headed, I have to support myself, and I've come to the realization that the government I used to trust is one grand, protracted third-rate burglary.

I can react to this in two ways. The first way is to declare that I'm living in historic times and this once-perfect nation has fallen into irrevocable decay right before my very eyes, and begin looking for clues as to who the villain is.

The second way is to accept that the world has always been a mess and I just never noticed it because I was a child.

Mrs. Lulu Pickle
December 1, 2007 9:34 PM

And here all along Rev. Dreher had me thinking that it was all the fault of the homos! Is the good Reverend now saying that "those people" (the blacks) are also playing a part in the destruction of America? There are simply too many internal enemies to keep track of! Could Rev. Dreher please publish a chart or poster or something of all of the Christ haters so that we know who we is supposed to be demonizing and casting out of our churches? Thank you.

Your Sister in Christ,
Lulu Pickle

sigaliris
December 1, 2007 11:26 PM

Dear Mrs. Pickle,
Any such list must include our wayward sisters who have forgotten their proper place as females. That terrible Clinton creature, for instance, whom I shall not dignify with her matrimonial title. Speaking of which, my dear, you must surely realize that the proper form of address for your good self is NOT to brazenly use your own first name, but that of your legal husband. Thus: "Mrs. DILLINGTON (Lulu) Pickle." Unless, of course, you are a widow, in which case, my condolences to you, and I hope that your oldest son has taken over the management of your affairs as he should.

John E.
December 2, 2007 10:54 AM

>>>
Rod:

Serious question:

What on earth do raunchy hip-hop and "gangsta" culture have to do with legitimate psychological/psychiatric therapy?

Posted by: Larry Parker | December 1, 2007 12:34 AM
>>>

Rod doesn't approve of either of them...

Mrs. Franklin ("Lulu") Pickle
December 2, 2007 6:39 PM

I prostrate myself chastised.

Phineas
December 2, 2007 9:29 PM

So a right and proper capitalist sells out to the Chinese Reds in return for them keeping tabs on who's using the internet and acts like a tourist at a half price buffet. Shows the potential to be the next Secretary of the Treasury in a Republican admin. He's sold out, looking to satisfy his own interests,demands respect from the 230000 peasants beneath him and is a true playa. When's his new CD droppin, dawg-san

Michael Hunt
December 3, 2007 10:58 AM

Dude, he was shovelling food into his mouth because he was hungry.

Have you ever seen Jonah Goldberg at the Hometown Buffet? Not a pretty sight.

Larry Parker
December 3, 2007 2:11 PM

John E.:

Showing a command of the obvious, I figured that part out ...

My two-part question to Rod was:

1. Why the attacks on therapy? and

2. Why on earth the bizarre comparison with gangsta rap?

sigaliris
December 3, 2007 8:57 PM

Indeed, Larry. It would be interesting to hear Rod's take on those things. I found scarshapedstar's comments interesting and mostly accurate. My only disagreement is that I, for one, am WAY happier than I was as a child. That's because now, as an adult, I get to make my own decisions, and I'm no longer at the mercy of other people's undiagnosed and untreated problems. Yay therapy, I say. Things, and people, can change. Progress can be made. Life can get better.

Larry Parker
December 3, 2007 11:34 PM

sig and scarshapedstar:

You both remind me of the conservative nostalgia for the '50s, where every family lived in a new Levittown-type home in the suburbs, had 2.5 kids, the dad went to work in the city in a gray flannel suit and the mom stayed at home and baked cookies (in Hillary Clinton's words) and (given the season) every Christmas was one straight out of Currier and Ives.

Except it was also the decade of Brown v. Board of Ed. and Rosa Parks and Little Rock. Which is to say, the decade when African-Americans finally began to forcefully confront the American power structure that had held them down for 350 years. (And good for them.)

Funny how all the nostalgics forget about that part of the Ike Era.

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