Three degrees of John Zmirak

"I think all of us would agree, for better or worse, that the Jesuits have come a long way from Loyola's 13th Rule." Larry

I agree; many of them have come a long way-- to apostasy and heresy, and have had to be corrected or booted out by Rome. Father Robert Frederick Drinan, S.J., was a putrid example of the type of alleged (liberal) Catholic Frank is talking about.

May God have mercy him and on all the Drinans who have now seen the light. (Before you try to spin that, Sig, please note that I pray for Drinan and his ilk every night).

"I refuse to say black is white if that is not true, even if someone in Rome says otherwise." Larry

Me, too. There have been a few folks in Rome who took it upon themselves to say things that weren't true. But St. Ignatius was not talking about people like Drinan's admirers. He was talking about the Pope speaking ex cathedra, and if, so speaking, the Pope said black is white (e.g., Christ--body, blood, soul and Divinity--is really, truly present in a piece of validly consecrated bread) then Ignatius believed black is white. Me, too.

Larry, you really shouldn't bother about Catholic things you don't believe in. You might feel a lot better.

Well, Cleveland, I'm impressed that in your mind I have become this omniscient Spinmeisterin, ever monitoring your communications to see what doilies of dissent I can crochet from the yarn provided! However, to set your mind at ease, let me assure you that I have no problem with your praying for any of us as much as you like. It won't hurt Drinan and it's probably good for you, so go right ahead--you have my blessing. Perhaps I'll add you to my heretical prayer list, and we'll see what happens . . . . : )

"... in your mind I have become this omniscient Spinmeister, ever monitoring your communications to see what doilies of dissent I can crochet from the yarn provided!" Sig

That's a very good piece of writing, Sig. If I were of the female persuasion, I might ask if I could use it.
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"Cleveland: C'mon, you know what the issue is...." Larry

The issue I had in mind is that you and minnie, minnie other "Progressives" believe that the rot and heresy that infested the once proud Jesuits is that "the Jesuits have come a long way from Loyola's 13th Rule."
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Hey, folks, we are so off subject here that I will let you have the last shot at me without reply so we can put this thread out of it's misery.