The Archbishop of Canterbury assures BBC listeners and Ricky Gervais that a lot of the Nativity story is more or less myth. Well, Rowan, good to know. To be fair, if you read the entire transcript of the interview, the Abp comes off better than the headline sounds. Still, I think Mark Shea has a good, though not entirely fair to Canterbury, point here:
Meanwhile, down the street, in the mosque and madrassa, other children are being schooled in very definite notions about God and man by people who are not at all interested in the full range of human experience and values and not at all worried about whether Ricky Gervais disapproves. Happily, a man of Gervais' gumption would never think to challenge them, so it's all good.
Reminds me of this passage from a book review I did of a liberal Episcopal seminarian Chloe Breyer's memoir a decade or so ago (BTW, here's the Rev. Breyer's more recent argument that Jesus might not have been born of a Virgin, and besides, it really doesn't matter):
Our Chloe decides to set up a Bible study for a group of Bellevue patients who are in from Rikers Island, the notorious city prison. She plays a video segment from the Bill Moyers series Genesis. The inmates see Bible scholars agreeing that Genesis gives us plenty of questions, but few answers. Her students don’t get it.“They’re supposed to be experts, right?” says Tyrone. “So then why are they giving us all this stuff about not having any answers? I mean, it doesn’t take a Ph.D. not to have answers! And if they don’t have any answers, then who does?”
Others chime in with contempt for the equivocating liberal scholars Breyer so admires. Finally, a Muslim convert speaks up. “See, this is what I’m telling you, man. The Koran is the place to go for answers! . . . I became a Muslim because the Koran has the most truth in it. You don’t argue about what it means. You read it, and you know what to do. The Prophet got the word directly from God.”
“Is that right?” asks Tyrone. “Is that how it is? The Koran has more answers than the Bible?” Undeterred, and unable to grasp the significance of the moment, Breyer sets out to teach these poor sinners that the Bible doesn’t have to be taken literally. There are lots of gray areas, she tells them, and they should feel empowered by the fact that they can interpret Scripture any way they like. The inmates are unmoved.
“They want answers, not questions,” Breyer writes. “[T]he more contradictions I point out in the Bible, the more the inmates decide there is no point in wasting their time with a religion that lacks answers.”
Smart cookies, those crooks, who intuitively grasp the worthlessness of Breyer’s baptized sophistries to their broken lives. Their critique is utterly lost on this earnest young woman, who does not know, or perhaps simply does not have the courage or conviction to say to these men, that Jesus is “the Way, the Truth, and the Life.”

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MiH, I'm probably just going to drop this, as people determined to see me as acting in bad faith will do so.
But I'm a careful writer. I didn't write "...*this* faithless intellectual woman..." on purpose. I'm not going to judge her personally no matter how misguided I think her approach may be. I was taking the opportunity to talk about people who call themselves "Christian" while only believing as much as Alicia or Jaybird (who don't call themselves "Christian") do. Like many Christians, I've had to put up with such people in teaching and preaching roles, and I find them extremely tiresome and silly; I wouldn't inflict them on prisoners.
You can see that as a "backing away" if you like, but like I said, I try to be excruciatingly careful in how I word things. If I had meant to get personal about Ms. Breyer, believe me, you'd know it.
Alicia,
Nice post.
Merry Christmans to you too!
Daniel wrote: "Your quips must make you a joy at parties, Max."
True dat. It's a gift.
Thanks Alicia. Sorry for the delay in getting back to post. Hectic time of year.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you too.
To me agnosticism is a glass half full place to be.
Here's a quote to mull over. It's for thinkers. From a thinker.
Faith seeking understanding.
It was the motto of a great scholar and saint at the beginning of the 1st century - St. Anselm of Canterbury (1033-1109). It's the opposite of our current cultural quest 'Understanding seeking Faith'.
Here's the reasoning for accepting St. Anselm's POV: Given the limits of our finite humanity, we cannot hope to really fully understand the infinite God. But if we make a declaration of faith, however conditional. If we believe there is a Higher power than ourselves. And submit our lives and our will to that higher power. Greater understanding will come through the Gift of the Holy Spirit.
It really really will.
I just want to encourage you to try switching to the motto of St. Anselm just for a day and see what happens. Step out of the culture of 2008 and into another philosophical tradition. You really have nothing to lose and everything to gain. (* See Pascal's Wager.)
God bless you on your journey. Seek and you WILL find.
Peace,
-Sheilagh
"Faith seeking understanding (fides quaerens intellectum)" — points to catechesis as the lifelong, active and loving pursuit of a deepening knowledge of Jesus Christ.
I think a preacher needs to know his audience, and what they need. For some people like myself if you do not represent yourself as being human and fallible you'll lose me. So if you say that your NIV bible or KJV bible contain zero interpretations I probably wont listen to you. This is because I know that they are translations, and translators sometimes pick words that are a best fit even when trying to do a pruely literal translation. For example love in english contains several definitons the greek word agape is very specific in meaning of unconditional love, but yet it is usually translated as love.
Others want answers not questions. And for some questions there are answers. For the questions that don't have answers there are other ways to answer the question without resorting to ignoring the bible, or telling the petitioner about the grey areas. For one you can try to understand what is really troubling them and see if there is a story in the bible that helps. Sometimes simply rephrasing a question makes a big difference, and takes out the uncertainty.
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