Pope Benedict is not on the climate-change bandwagon, saying that policy should be made on sound science, not pseudo-religious environmentalist beliefs. That's hard to disagree with, but is the scientific consensus on climate change really all that unsound? Really?

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>>Once again, for everyone debating why the Pope is right or wrong to denounce "Climate Change Prophets of Doom", please note that the Pope's speech does not even mention climate change much less the current scientific consensus on it.
Yes, the main thing I can tell as to what the Pope was suggesting is that we have more Evidence before we take any dramatic action.
No mention of "scare mongering" or anything like that.
Thanks, Simon. For those interested in looking into the science of climate change, hundreds -- probably thousands -- of papers were presented on the subject at the recent American Geophysical Union conference last week. A few highlights:
Expansion of the Hadley Cell Under Global Warming:
http://www.agu.org/cgi-bin/SFgate/SFgate?language=English&verbose=0&listenv=table&application=fm06&convert=&converthl=&refinequery=&formintern=&formextern=&transquery=gc%20and%20sc%3dgc&_lines=&multiple=0&descriptor=%2fdata%2fepubs%2fwais%2findexes%2ffm06%2ffm06%7c284%7c3444%7cExpansion%20of%20the%20Hadley%20cell%20under%20global%20warming:%20A%20likely%20new%20driver%20for%20droughts%7cHTML%7clocalhost:0%7c%2fdata%2fepubs%2fwais%2findexes%2ffm06%2ffm06%7c13931627%2013935071%20%2fdata2%2fepubs%2fwais%2fdata%2ffm06%2ffm06.txt
Projections of Novel and Disappearing Climates by 2100AD
http://www.agu.org/cgi-bin/SFgate/SFgate?language=English&verbose=0&listenv=table&application=fm06&convert=&converthl=&refinequery=&formintern=&formextern=&transquery=gc%20and%20sc%3dgc&_lines=&multiple=0&descriptor=%2fdata%2fepubs%2fwais%2findexes%2ffm06%2ffm06%7c276%7c3274%7cProjected%20Distributions%20of%20Novel%20and%20Disappearing%20Climates%20by%202100AD%7cHTML%7clocalhost:0%7c%2fdata%2fepubs%2fwais%2findexes%2ffm06%2ffm06%7c14036798%2014040072%20%2fdata2%2fepubs%2fwais%2fdata%2ffm06%2ffm06.txt
Paleoclimactic Perspecives on Climate Change
http://www.agu.org/cgi-bin/SFgate/SFgate?language=English&verbose=0&listenv=table&application=fm06&convert=&converthl=&refinequery=&formintern=&formextern=&transquery=gc%20and%20sc%3dgc&_lines=&multiple=0&descriptor=%2fdata%2fepubs%2fwais%2findexes%2ffm06%2ffm06%7c278%7c3329%7cPaleoclimatic%20Perspectives%20on%20Climate%20Sensitivity%20to%20Carbon%20Dioxide%7cHTML%7clocalhost:0%7c%2fdata%2fepubs%2fwais%2findexes%2ffm06%2ffm06%7c13637753%2013641082%20%2fdata2%2fepubs%2fwais%2fdata%2ffm06%2ffm06.txt
The keynote address was given by the great Ohio State researcher Lonnie Thompson. His talk is available as a webcast, but his conclusion is worth noting. To paraphrase, he said that as early as the l960's, we had excellent science on the Cuyahoga River, showing that fish were dying en masse, that the water was unsafe to drink, that dangerous compounds were accumulating, etc. What did we as a society do?
Nothing -- until the river caught fire. Then we acted, and now walleyed pike and other fish species have returned to the river, which is safe for boating and recreation. I understand that Ohio is very proud of its restored river, and deservedly so.
Now, Thompson asks, what will it take before we as a species act on climate change? His guess: twin Category 5 hurricanes hitting the Gulf Coast.
Sounds about right to me. The problem, of course, is that it's far more difficult to heal a global climate than it is to heal a river.
Kit, "the great Ohio State researcher Lonnie Thompson" should have read this first about the Cuyahoga River:
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-06/cwru-msc061704.php
Caught up with the story. The river had caught fire many times before, that's a fact, but nonetheless the Cuyahoga was one of the most polluted rivers in the country, and the incident did contain "useful truths" that came to symbolize an era in American pollution. And Lonnie Thompson is indeed a greatly admired and worthy scientist, which you will see if you read a book about his ground-breaking work at high altitude, "Thin Ice." Thompson has been based at Ohio State since the l970's.
kit, my point was only that Thompson's statement about water pollution, "What did we as a society do? Nothing -- until the river caught fire.", is over the top.
I love the Cuyahoga; it's upper reaches played a large part in bringing joy to my youth, while the state of its lower, polluted waters played a large part in my life's work--fighting water pollution.
Congress was starting to get a lot more serious about water pollution about the time of the last fire, but that was coincidence. His claim that we did "NOTHING" up to that time is a gross distortion of society's concern and action.
Thompson's heart certainly is in the right place, as is yours.
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