Crunchy Con

Huckabee phoner

Friday December 28, 2007

Categories: Republicans

Just completed a national conference call between the news media and Mike Huckabee. My notes:


1. In opening statement, Huck's downplaying expectations, playing up Mitt Romney's money, and attacks from "Washington special interests" like the Club For Growth. "These people aren't being paid to love us," he said, of all the people turning out to work for and caucus for him.

2. On Bhutto, clearly responding to criticism that his initial Bhutto remarks were inadequate. "I would say if you have not read or not seen the speech I delivered in September in Washington on foreign policy ... I was criticized in September because I talked a good deal about Pakistan, in fact a good deal more than on Iran and Iraq." He encourages people to read his speech, "which seems almost prophetic" in light of the Bhutto assassination, he said. [I've posted the Pakistan portion of the speech in the jump below, for those interested.]

3. Fundraising: "We're probably $5 million online [this last quarter], and I'm not sure what the final report's going to be for December," but says doing exceptionally well compared to past. Has "probably around $2 million cash on hand." The reporter had mentioned Ron Paul's haul, which, according to his website, is at almost $19 million. (!!!!)

4. "This issue of the number of illegal Pakistanis crossing the border ought to make us realize that border security" is not just about the economy, but about national security.

5. A Michigan reporter asked: What would you say to the unemployed in Michigan? Answer: "I'm the one Republican candidate that's talking about the panic, the angst, the concern that's growing in the middle class, and how people who have lost their jobs aren't sure who's paying attention." He said at the Michigan debate, his opponents talked about how in the macro economy, everything's going great, and that's true. But it's not true for everyone. He said that the country needs a presidsent who understands that the US has got to be able to feed itself, to fuel itself, and to provide the manufactured goods the American people need.

Said Huck: "I think the people of Michigan care a whole lot more about their futures than about Mitt Romney's future right now."

6. What would you do about jailed Border Patrol officers Ramos and Compean if elected president? Said he would review their file, possibly first day in office, and if half of what he's heard about their case is true, he'd grant them a pardon. Huck said jailing them seems "outrageous," and said Ramos and Compean "probably should have been given awards, or rewards, for taking out a drug dealer."

7. After I asked a question, and he answered it, Huckabee startled (and pleased) me by praising "Crunchy Cons," especially the part about how it's important to be both a conservative and a conservationist. He called the environmental issue "a very important part of the future of the Republican Party and the conservative movement," and said that Republicans will suffer at the polls if they don't understand why they've got to get serious and credible about the environment. Naturally, I wish to commend the Arkansas governor on his perspicacious wisdom. Heh.

[from Huckabee's foreign policy speech, this portion pertaining to Pakistan:]

Whereas our failure to tackle Iran seems to be leading inexorably to our attacking it, our failure to tackle al Qaeda in Pakistan seems to be leading inexorably to its attacking us again.

When we let bin Laden escape at Tora Bora, a region along the Afghan-Pakistani border, in December 2001, we played Brer Fox to his Brer Rabbit. We threw him into the perfect briar patch, under the direct protection of tribal leaders who do not consider their land part of Pakistan and under the indirect protection of the Pakistani government, which believes that it is. On September 12, 2001, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf agreed to sever his relationship with the Taliban and let us fight al Qaeda inside Pakistan. But distracted by Iraq, we have since allowed him to go back on his word.

Despite the Bush administration's continued claims that the U.S. military will pursue "actionable targets," according to a July 2007 article in The New York Times based on interviews with a dozen current and former military and defense officials, a classified raid targeting bin Laden's top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, in Pakistan was aborted in early 2005. Then Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld called off the attack at the very last minute, as Navy Seals in parachutes were preparing in C-130s in Afghanistan, because he felt he needed Musharraf's permission to proceed. Why did Rumsfeld, instead of President Bush, call off the attack? Did he ask for Musharraf's permission or assume he would not get it? When I am president, I will make the final call on such actions.

This missed opportunity was especially costly because in September 2006 Musharraf agreed to a cease-fire with frontier tribal leaders (which lasted until last July), allowing al Qaeda and the Taliban to gain strength and operate more easily and freely. With that, Pakistan's halfhearted efforts against the terrorists in the region bordering Afghanistan stopped altogether.

Iraq may be the hot war, but Pakistan is where the cold, calculating planning is going on. If al Qaeda strikes us tomorrow, the attack will be postmarked "Pakistan." And the American people, not understanding why a supposed U.S. ally refused to help and our government put up with it, will justifiably be outraged that bin Laden and his top people got away. In fact, we almost did suffer that next attack: the plot to blow up ten airliners over the Atlantic that the British government foiled in 2006 was hatched in Pakistan, as was an attack against U.S. targets in Germany that was planned to coincide with the sixth anniversary of 9/11.

Rather than wait for the next strike, I prefer to cut to the chase by going after al Qaeda's safe havens in Pakistan. As commander in chief, the U.S. president must balance threats and risks in calculating how best to protect the American people. We are living on borrowed time. The threat of an attack on us is far graver than the risk that a quick and limited strike against al Qaeda would bring extremists to power in Pakistan.

To be sure, Pakistan is an inherently unstable country that has never had a constitutional change of government in its 60 years of existence. It has alternated between military and civilian rule, punctuated by assassinations and coups. Even during times of nominal civilian rule, the army and its affiliated intelligence service, the Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, were the country's most powerful institutions. But in the name of stability, the U.S. government has erred on the side of protecting Musharraf. We have an unfortunate tendency to confuse leaders with their countries and their citizens and to back them for too long, with too few questions asked and too few strings attached. As the Bush administration scrambled to cope with Musharraf's state of emergency last November, it became clear that we had no Pakistan policy, only a Musharraf policy.

Musharraf's top priority is not the United States' survival but his own, physical and political. Musharraf has done his best to convince the Bush administration that the United States' destiny and his are inextricably interwoven -- after him, the deluge. But this is not true. He has not kept extremists from seizing power in Pakistan; they have not seized it simply because they have not had the strength or the support to do so. He claims that he declared the state of emergency because of the threat of extremism to Pakistan. In fact, he was responding to a threat not to the country but to himself and not from extremists but from Pakistan's Supreme Court, which was about to invalidate his recent reelection.

This puts into sharp relief what a waste, what a setback the United States' Pakistan policy has been over the last few years. Al Qaeda and the Taliban have grown stronger; Pakistan's native extremists have expanded east from their frontier strongholds and spread to the cities; the moderate secular parties led by former Prime Ministers Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif have languished. Musharraf has spent far more energy and enthusiasm sidelining the moderate Pakistani forces we must strengthen than he has going after religious extremists and terrorists. As of this writing, he is arresting the people who share our values and whom we need to empower: leaders and supporters of moderate parties, judges, lawyers, human rights activists, and journalists. He is on a collision course with his own people and with us.

Since 9/11, the United States has given Pakistan about $10 billion, including some $5.6 billion to pay for counterterrorism activities against al Qaeda and the Taliban. Less than $1 billion has gone to projects that directly help the Pakistani people by providing them with schools, food, or medical aid. The lack of schools creates demand for the madrasahs that produce terrorists. We have wasted money on counterterrorism that has not happened and spent precious little on projects to win hearts and minds.

Much of the aid is made up of cash transfers that are not monitored by any U.S. government agency; we must improve transparency and accountability in this area. If we consider cutting aid to Pakistan, we must distinguish among different kinds of funds. We should not cut money for projects that alleviate poverty. Money designated for counterterrorism must be spent for that purpose and with quantifiable results. Money designated for weapons not suited to fighting terrorists should be used as a carrot to reward the Pakistani government for demonstrated progress in strengthening moderate forces, improving its citizens' quality of life, and fighting terrorism.

It is not enough for Musharraf to appoint a caretaker government, give up his post as army chief, and hold elections in early January, as he has promised: such elections cannot possibly be free and fair with the state of emergency still in effect, opposition politicians and their supporters under arrest, the media censored, assembly forbidden, and the judiciary packed. Opposition party leaders rightly threaten to boycott such sham elections, which would have no legitimacy in the eyes of the Pakistani people. Bhutto and Sharif must be allowed to move freely about the country. Whatever happens in Pakistan next, the country's policy toward the United States is unlikely to change significantly. General Ashfaq Kiyani, the deputy chief of staff of the army and Musharraf's most likely successor, is a moderate who wants the military less involved in politics. As prime minister, Sharif would sound more anti-American, and Bhutto more pro-American. But in any event, our problems with al Qaeda and the Taliban will not be magically solved for us. They are our problems, and we must face up to them.

I will assure the Pakistanis that we are with them for the long haul. When the Russians left Afghanistan in the late 1980s, we quickly lost interest in Pakistan. Many Pakistanis fear the same will happen when al Qaeda and the Taliban are no longer around to keep us engaged. They should not. Pakistan, like Iraq, is a regional problem rather than an isolated one. We must use our friendly ties with India to encourage and help it improve its relationship with Pakistan and to push for increased trade and cooperation between the two countries, all to bring greater stability to the South Asian region.

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Comments
Bugg
December 29, 2007 7:46 PM

Paul, unlike anyone else in this race, sees that we have a serious problem-we aren't following the Constitution-spending run amok, another undeclared war, a foreign policy that ignores both Washington's parting admonition about entagling alliances and Eisenhower's farewell warning about the military industrial complex driving State and DoD policies.We have gone from "Don't Tread on Me"to "F___ You; Pay Me!". These are not things a great heartwarming State of the Union address are going to solve;quite the contrary, it's how we got here.

I readliy expect Paul will lose. So did Barry Goldwater, but history has given him the ultimate decision over that thieving liar hack LBJ.

JLF
December 29, 2007 10:34 PM

"So did Barry Goldwater, but history has given him the ultimate decision."

I don't know what world you're living in, Bugg, but it certainly doesn't resemble this one. Since Goldwater lost, we've enacted Medicaid and Medicare under Democrats and a drug benefit to the latter program under a Republican. And those were just the beginning. No matter who is elected next year, there will be national health insurance for all befor the end of his (or her) first term. And Social Security remains - as it has always been - the Third Rail of American politics, no matter how it must be ultimately funded. There is always a lot of talk about privitizing this and doing away with that government program, but when push comes to shove, we'll talk about your benefits, but mine are non-negotiable.

Larry Parker
December 29, 2007 11:14 PM

JLF:

I think what Bugg meant is that, POLITICALLY, Barry Goldwater was the John the Baptist to Ronald Reagan's Jesus, and that Goldwater's willingness to be beheaded (politically) by LBJ ultimately made the world safe for Reaganites like, um, Bugg and Cleveland.

Bugg
December 29, 2007 11:26 PM

I'm in my early 40s. I do not expect to ever cash an SSI check, and I'm planning accordingly. We need a real leader, who would level with all of us and acknowledge the fiscal structure of this country is a mess and has to be dealt with honestly.Or it will get mcuh worse.

It's beyond simply conservative; it's a question of where this country is going.Obama and Huckabee are sweet-taling liars(as are other candidates), but I guess that's what sells.It's truly scary-what does it say about us collectively that we'd rather hear flowery rhetoric than face our real and serious problems?

As to my orignal point-we are in fact children-just give us more programs, damn the fiscal bankruptcy and worthless curency. But Obama and Huckabee are great speakers! Take that to the bank! Yeah!

Cleveland
December 29, 2007 11:31 PM

Bugg, almost everything you said is obviously true--and obviously irrelevant.

Do you actually believe that, even if Paul won, he could be "a real leader to clean up the mess" or provide "political electro-shock therapy"? This "mess" was caused and is sustained by an attitude of greed, laziness and secularism on the part of millions of Americans. Liberal and "progressive" politicos cater to this attitude and are rewarded with votes (power).

Get real, Bugg, eight years of Paul not only couldn't kill this sickness, it wouldn't make a pimple on its derriere. Democrats and RINOs would strangle every one of Paul's efforts, and override every one of his vetoes. Paul's Presidency would be a sad joke, conservative Republicans would be helpless, and eight years would be lost to the cause. You and Rod are dreamers. That's fine, but our country needs realistically smart voters, not poets.

Anyone who wants to cure our country's sickness--and the war is not a part of it, but that's a different argument I have with you--better get real and vote conservative Republican (e.g., Romney) who could energize the Party and the masses, ala Reagan, to overcome the Democrats, fix the Supreme Court and chip away at the economic mess.

If I were the Good Lord, Duncan Hunter would become President. Since that ain't gonna happen, we have to recognize reality and vote Romney.

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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