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Jesus and the Devil: Bruvvers?

Thursday December 13, 2007

Categories: Republicans

Why is Huckabee apologizing to Romney for being quoted asking if Mormons believe that Jesus and Lucifer are spirit brothers? Because they do, you know, at least according to this on the LDS church's website:


Jess L. Christensen, Institute of Religion director at Utah State University, Logan, Utah. On first hearing, the doctrine that Lucifer and our Lord, Jesus Christ, are brothers may seem surprising to some—especially to those unacquainted with latter-day revelations. But both the scriptures and the prophets affirm that Jesus Christ and Lucifer are indeed offspring of our Heavenly Father and, therefore, spirit brothers. Jesus Christ was with the Father from the beginning. Lucifer, too, was an angel “who was in authority in the presence of God,” a “son of the morning.” (See Isa. 14:12; D&C 76:25–27.) Both Jesus and Lucifer were strong leaders with great knowledge and influence. But as the Firstborn of the Father, Jesus was Lucifer’s older brother. (See Col. 1:15; D&C 93:21.)


(Mormon readers, if I've got something wrong here, please correct me.)

Romney said on the Today Show that Huck's query was an "attack." David Kuo makes the necessary point: that asking about someone's religious beliefs, especially if the query is grounded in truth, isn't an attack. Romney was "pathetic," as David put it, to play the religious bigotry card here.

To be sure, I don't care what Romney believes about this matter, as long as it doesn't affect the way he proposes to be president, and I think it's a big mistake to hold that against him. But surely it isn't an "attack" for Huckabee merely to have brought up one of the more unusual doctrines of the Mormon church.

What Romney is really doing is trying to deflect public attention from a religious teaching he would rather not explain by trying to make Huckabee seem like a villain for having raised it in the first place. It's a strategy I'm familiar with. There's a Muslim lay leader in Dallas who has repeatedly accused me of attacking the Islamic faith when I have pointed out unusual and threatening things that Islam teaches, and have tried to get him to explain, or at least own up, to it. To his credit, he hasn't backed away from the sharia's brutality, even as he affirms it as just and right, but he indefatigably characterizes my perfectly legitimate questions about what he believes his faith requires of him in public life (e.g., killing homosexuals) as bigoted attacks on his faith. He keeps saying we ought to all try to get along. Well, yeah, let's get along ... but let's not deny real and important differences, especially when they involve theological sanction for revolting violence, even murder. Ya know?

Claiming that legitimate curiosity, or even criticism, is an "attack" won't make the question go away. Romney would have been better off asking in return what an arcane point of theological doctrine has to do with jobs, national security, etc. -- because really, what does it? How on earth would it affect the way he'd do his job as president, or the legislation he'd support. Having a pity party about this "attack" seems weak.

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Comments
godisaheretic
December 13, 2007 11:20 PM

actually the two candidates are very close in the essentials of this issue...
let's see...
Huckabee and Romney both seem to believe in the literal truth of Christ and Lucifer...
differing on whether or not they are "brothers" is a minor point...
and although it seems likely that the mortal man Jesus was real enough...
it seems rather doubtful that there's any literal historical truth to Lucifer...
as well as "Christ" which is a Myth that was attached to Jesus by superstitious ancient men...
so...
Huckabee and Romney both seem to be misjudging ancient Myths...
not seeing that those Myths are mismatches with Reality...

and that could be considered an issue in this presidential contest...
a glaringly poor grasp of Reality is not an asset...

faith hope love joy peace to all...

Meg B
December 14, 2007 5:56 AM

Politically unwise? Probably. An honest, innocent question? Probably. Worth the air time it has gotten? No. At least not when issues of poverty, war, education, fair trade, etc. deserve our focus. Mass media is giving me a headache. Did anyone other than my son kee[p track of how many "thank-you" interruptions the Dems got from the debate mediator verse those given to the Reps.? Or did anyone notice how the Republican debate was "boring" and the Democrat debate (last ones in Iowa) was "subdued"? Go figure.

Osvaldo Mandias
December 14, 2007 12:24 PM

Huckabee wasn't making a public statement, he was asking a question in a one-on-one conversation. It's not small & weak for the interviewee to ask the interviewer a question for a change

Its small and weak to ask a Mary-Cheney style "question" and then blame it on the reporter.

Reader John
December 14, 2007 11:11 PM

As a Baptist, Huckabee would not believe that he's actually partaking of the flesh and blood of Jesus while taking Communion, rather that it's a symbolic act. So, this question would not be very difficult for him to answer.

At the risk of getting off topic briefly, I'm not sure the question would be all that easy for Huckabee to answer if you gave me enough time, under our new campaign-as-inquisition model, to paw him over. IMHO, the context of John 6:54 doesn't allow a "symbolic act" view. Christ's disciples, some of whom abandoned Him over the matter, weren't scandalized by a "symbolic act" view, and He didn't back off after seeing that they were scandalized.

But my point is not that Huck would be dumbstruck. The point is (1) the question of Huck about John 5:54 and context would be an attack and (2) it would open a Pandora's box, the eventuality of which is a Balkanized politics where Zwinglian Protestants won't vote for Catholic or Orthodox "cannibals" (and vice-versa), Calvinists won't vote for Arminians, cessationists won't vote for Charismatics and so on. Do we want to go there?

Osvaldo Mandias
December 17, 2007 10:08 AM

And Catholics would lose the massive sede-vacantist vote.

:)

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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