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United States v. Sawada defined waterboarding as both torture and a war crime.

Mr. Dreher--
I would be cautious in accepting the mainstream media's claims about the Bush administration's alleged "torture." We all know they're as clear and reliable as dishwater. Unless, of course, you have some other evidence, in which case I advise you to post it. I'm interested in the whole situation.

Lefties are a lot more willing to recognize that there are other sovereign nations on the planet.

And before anyone takes that the wrong way and tries to read into that that the US should be 'forced' to do anything, no one's trying to assert that the US is not sovereign.

That doesn't, however, mean it should run around breaking treaty obligations. In the modern world, countries are very reliant on each other, and the only reason the US can get away with the crap it pulls is because it happens to have a lot of power right now.

Ignoring treaties is a sign of inherent dishonesty. At the very least, we should at least withdraw from them if we disagree with them. (Even if they don't have a withdrawal mechanism, we can still claim to withdraw from them.) The thing is, of course, that 'we' don't disagree with them, if by 'we' poeple mean 'the American people'. The people who do disagree with them are various parts of the business community who do not want to wield overt power.

Which, incidentally, is why our political system is entirely broken. At least half the stuff the right does, and probably a third the stuff the left does, are for someone other than 'us'. (I bet other people here have different ideas of the percentages, but I'm not here to debate that.)

Which is bad enough, but obviously they can't do it out in the open, so we end up doing insane stuff like ignoring treaties instead of leaving them, and not enforcing laws instead of repealing them, etc, etc.