I must say that through Savage's blog I found a link to this interesting post speculating on why liberals praise "authenticity" in any culture but our own, in which case it tends to give them the hives. Excerpt:
Recently I was ruminating on the epithet "white-bread," used to mean boring, bland, and homogeneous, as when Charles Murray said that he'd "a hell of a lot rather live in a Little Vietnam or a Little Guatemala neighborhood, even if I couldn’t read the store signs, than in many white-bread communities I can think of." The idea being that white-bread communities don't have the festive music, the vibrant colors, the spicy foods of Little Vietnam or a Little Guatemala, so no intelligent sophisticated man of the world would want to live in one. Yet, of course, traditional Western culture does have exciting or "vibrant" aspects--just listen to Beethoven's 9th symphony, visit a museum with a collection by Leonardo da Vinci or Manet, sample some French cuisine, attend a German Oktoberfest; the list goes on.So what explains this? We conservatives, rightly, make much of the fact that the left simply hates traditional Western culture (for, e.g., its inequality) and wants to destroy it, as Richardson and John Savage have commented. Yet perhaps it is not always necessary to dig so deep. I believe that liberals fail to see the cultural distinctiveness, the "authenticity," of our own society because they have been immersed in it since birth; it is what they see as the "default," the state of man without any interesting cultural adornments. They view Western culture as a vacuum, a blank template onto which can be written all kinds of "enriching" distinctive cultural traditions, a kind of foundation for a culture, but inadequate as a complete culture.
In fact, this could be seen as a reason the left hates Western culture, that they view failure to provide any interesting "add-ons" as a moral failure. We could have had interesting cultural traditions, but we failed to develop them. Meanwhile, look at these wonderful non-Western cultures. They add loud, exciting music, parades with elaborate costumes and rich colors, spicy foods, and what do we do? Eat our dinners of roast chicken, mashed potatoes, and cooked peas and then retire to the living room to put our feet up and read the Saturday Evening Post until little Jimmy gets home from Boy Scouts.
I can't point to any published examples that show this is how liberals think; it's based mainly on my observations of and interactions with college-student-style liberals. Based on the way they behave and innumerable little things they've said, I get the impression that they view that dinner of roast chicken, mashed potatoes, and peas not as its own, perfectly legitimate cultural particularity, but as the base one is left with if one strips away the curry powder, habanero peppers, wasabi, or whatever.
I think there's something to this, though one must be careful. What strikes at least some of us as "white bread" has nothing to do with race, it has to do with a certain processed, conformist blandness that seems to think that being Nice and Comfortable is the epitome of human striving. "Nice" and "Comfortable" aren't antonyms of "Spicy" and "Colorful," I know.
Still, there is something kind of pathetic about someone who lives in a condition of material abundance and physical security the likes of which few ordinary people have ever seen in the entire history of man taking the luxury to complain about how boring and "white bread" the culture that provided him those blessings is. (And yes, I am reproaching myself on this point too). We bourgeois want the simulacrum of cultural exoticism without the smelly, messy, chaotic, semi-barbaric aspects of various cultures whence it came. I don't think this is entirely wrong. I mean, I don't think enjoying, say, Ethiopian food is an example of middle-class phoniness unless one partakes of it in Addis Ababa, or one approves of all aspects of Ethiopian culture. Still, there's a reason those Ethiopians are making their delicious national cuisine for you here in bland, boring, white-bread America, and not back home, and maybe that's worth appreciating more than many of us do.
UPDATE: I forgot to mention the conservative version of liberal hatred of ordinary American stuff. I call it "Frank Booth populism," after Dennis Hopper's villain in "Blue Velvet." When Jeffrey Beaumont orders a Heineken, Frank famously screamed, "F**k that s**t! Pabst Blue Ribbon!" It's the idea that anybody who likes any kind of food (for example) that's the least bit exotic or "foreign" or non-mass-produced is a snob, un-American, and probably gay.
(Here's an irony for you: Heineken is the Pabst Blue Ribbon of Holland, and the fashionable Stella Artois brand is Belgium's PBR).

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After Russia, I took a good, long, hard look at Western culture and came to the same realization that the ancient (and modern) Japanese did with regards to foreign religion, language, and culture: take what you like, throw the rest out. I looked at western (and especially Anglo-American) culture, and found little of value. It's not that I'm against the "white bread" sort of culture, but it has never not been lacking.
That's probably why I fit in so well everywhere else. I am more than willing to take some specific cultural traits, and then blend them with wherever else I happen to be. No need to keep traditions inside yourself when they have no value, no merit. That's what we should be getting at. We have these things that we are conserving. Why? To conserve them, even as they fall apart without repair. Let the old rice sack go. no need to keep it around when it doesn't hold anything. Time to get a new one, from somewhere else. And when we have gotten the rice from that rice sack, let it fall away too. Take the rice(culture and associated wisdom), ditch the rice sack (old traditions).
Fascinated by all this talk about those who do and don't hate Western civilization. Remember what Gandhi said when asked by some wise-guy reporter what he thought of Western civilization? "I think it would be a very good idea."
I think that people who are immersed in a majority culture tend to see themselves as having little culture.
Looking at it as an outsider, mainstream USA has a lot of strong cultural characteristics, some of which are eccentric rather than good or bad - eg. what is Thanksgiving all about? It's not a traditional relgious holiday, yet who is being thanked if not God? What do a few extreme Calvinists, who were not even the first English settlers in N. America, have to do with today's USA?
Countries that are large enough to produce most of their own entertainment, TV, etc., tend to treat their background culture like air and water. I mean - a German can live most of his life as though the rest of the world does not exist, but a Dutchman cannot do that. The USA just happens to be bigger than most other places.
In Europe, where through most of its history many could become immersed in a different culture simply by crossing a river or a mountain pass, cultural delineation was a part of life. Even today -- with a respectful nod to rombald's point -- they don't really think about is so much as deal with it.
It's all a part of one side or the other of the xenophobia coin. My European parents and their ancestors lived their cultures despite many political upheavals. Only in America do we have this need to "defend" it.
Oh, but in a certain sense it is. If there's no one conserving anything with permanent value from past manifestations of "Western Civilization" (which is what conservatives do) then when the moral, intellectual, artistic, cultural, etc., capital runs out what you will have left will be "Western Civilization" in name only. You can call it "Western Civilization" all you want, but it will only resemble true Western Civ. the way an empty snakeskin resembles a snake.
Oh, is that what conservatives are doing? I've been wondering about that for quite some time now.
Conserving moral capital. Hahaha.
And, more to the point, you're trying to confuse two things. Certain specific European countries might have problems with segregated communities of Muslims and other enclaves of non-Western civilization. If that keeps up, at some point you can argue they have left Western civilization, as Western civilization is basically, 'Christendom', or what is left of it.
This has nothing to do with the fact they have government-paid health care and we do not. That isn't some crazy Muslim trait that got snuck in, most of Europe has had it for decades, and aren't anywhere near the point of any country as a whole coming under Islamic law. (Almost all of them are officially Christian, in fact.)
"As for the entertainment industry, they're the ones responsible for the entire world drinking in Western civilization."
Which is fine, if you like drinking from a cesspool. What the entertainment mostly puts forward is the dregs of Western Civilization,
...which in no way disputes my claim that the entertainment industry does not hate western civilization.
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