Crunchy Con

Baptists? Who, us?

Thursday January 24, 2008

Here's an interesting question submitted to an advice column in a newsmagazine for Texas Baptists:

Our church is talking seriously about sponsoring a new congregation in our area. But we seem headed for a meltdown. Several folks insist “Baptist” must be kept out of the name of the new church. Surely there are moral grounds for requiring a Baptist church to include “Baptist” in its name.

The pastor gives a wise answer, a part of which is here:

However, there are some ethical issues connected with a church’s name and its denominational identity. First, it is unethical to have “Baptist” in your name and not really be a Baptist church. Of course, there are many issues about which Baptists disagree. However, there are some issues that are non-negotiable. You cannot claim to be a Baptist and not believe in and practice these fundamental Baptist tenets.

I completely agree with the pastor, but he does seem to be swimming against the tide of popular Christianity. In the world of Moralistic Therapeutic Deism (the contemporary American religion), doctrine matters little, and therefore so do differences among various Christian churches. Drawing dividing lines is Bad. Growth is good, and you get growth by making people feel nothing but good (as Joel Osteen, whose slap-happy congregation includes non-Christians there for the uplift, surely knows). It's all about emotion.

This didn't just happen yesterday. When I started taking Christianity seriously as a young adult, I told my father I was going to leave the Methodist Church, in which I was raised. He didn't take it well, but could offer no theological reasons for me to stay. In fact, he couldn't say what made Methodist teaching any different from Baptist, Episcopalian, Catholic, or any other Christian confession's. Now, my dad isn't theologically inclined, but to be fair to him, our church was not one to teach doctrine. It was a nice place to go to church, where you got a basic message that God loves you, and wants you to be happy and to be kind to others. That's about it. Nothing wrong with that message, of course, but it was merely therapeutic, and it certainly offered no one steeped in it any reason to stay committed to a particular tradition. The only argument my dad could make was that the Drehers "have always been Methodist." For him, the Methodist church was where Christians who were Methodist prayed, just as the Catholic Church was where Christians who were Catholic prayed. And so forth.

I think that's a pretty common phenomenon, and it goes across churches. As a Catholic, I constantly ran into Catholics my age who knew very little about the content of Catholic faith, and why it was important to believe this thing and not that thing. Cardinal Egan once told me in an interview that bad catechesis (teaching), or rather, the failure to teach the young, was an enormous problem facing the postconciliar church in this country. In 1999, Cardinal George of Chicago wrote a piece in Commonweal in which he made the following statement:

We are at a turning point in the life of the church in this country. Liberal Catholicism is an exhausted project. Essentially a critique, even a necessary critique at one point in our history, it is now parasitical on a substance that no longer exists. It has shown itself unable to pass on the faith in its integrity and inadequate, therefore, in fostering the joyful self-surrender called for in Christian marriage, in consecrated life, in ordained priesthood. It no longer gives life.

Now, before my liberal readers get their hackles raised, I advise them to read the entire essay by the cardinal. He clearly says that reactionary conservatism is no answer either. His point relates to this post, though, in that it highlights how any religion that sees doctrinal questions as basically inconsequential to its mission will dissolve into meaninglessness. Which is not the same thing as saying it won't be popular, at least for a while. But it cannot be prophetic, because it does not speak with authority. It doesn't say "this is the truth by which we will be judged, and around which we should conform our lives." This kind of thing is usually called "liberal," but I guarantee you most of the people at Osteen's megachurch would identify themselves as more or less morally conservative. But what is their belief in moral tradition anchored to? If not to doctrine, and doctrinal distinctiveness, it's as light as a cloud.

Whenever I see churches that don't identify themselves as part of a distinct tradition (or, in the Catholic world, churches that don't call themselves churches, but rather "community," e.g., St. Joseph Catholic Community), I assume that what's on offer there is Moralistic Therapeutic Deism. Perhaps that's unfair.

Now, Cardinal George is absolutely right to identify false hope in the rigid conservative reaction to MTD. Doctrine itself cannot save anybody. Human beings are not exclusively cerebral. Yes, we have brains, but we also have hearts. The challenge to the church -- every church -- in each generation is to figure out how to apply orthodox doctrine to the changing realities across cultures. It's a difficult thing to do, and I don't know that any church does it particularly well. If the doctrine officially proclaimed by the church is not in turn taught in the parish, and if there is no expectation among the people that they (we) should strive to live out that doctrine in our lives ... well, the doctrine is as good as dead. If there is no culture of orthopraxy, you can't expect orthodoxy to thrive.

To be sure, I'm glad to live in a time in which Christians focus more on what unites us than what divides us. But surely this is a mixed blessing, because it seems to me that this semblance of unity has been purchased at the cost of jettisoning the idea of orthodoxy (small-o) and doctrinal distinctiveness. It's not just that many Christians can't tell you what people who identify with their religious tradition believe; it's that they don't understand why any of that matters.

This is why I am not discouraged to hear about fundamentalists or some other kind of Christian saying that such-and-such a Christian is wrong about basic points of theology, and that they're endangering their souls by their error. Even if I think the person making the charge is in error, or the charge is uncharitable, or imprudent, something in me is comforted by evidence that at least some Christians still believe doctrine matters. Which is to say, some Christians still take the intellectual content of the faith seriously.

UPDATE: A reader sends in this Fr. Jape feuilleton about Baptists who are embarrassed to be called Baptists, and their fellow travelers among Evangelicals. Jape says that Evangelicals who have an "anarchic ecclesiology" (e.g., the "church" is whatever we say it is, for whatever reason strikes us as valid right here, right now) don't understand the risks and negative consequences of their premises:

They are in the position of a married man, legally separated from his wife, who has fallen victim to amnesia. He cannot recall ever having been married. From his own standpoint, this man’s marital problems are “solved.” He has no immediate or pressing difficulty with the woman who was his wife because he does not know her. From the standpoint of the wife and others, the man’s situation is tragic and perverse.
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Comments
Anonymous
January 25, 2008 5:42 PM

"Rod, Having attended both the RCC & protestant churches to me (again this is just my observation, but ones that other Catholics tell me bother them too) the Catholics just went to church, knew nothing about their faith, and would leave before the priest even left the pulpit."

I knew a lot of us ducked out after Communion but before the blessing, but most leave before the homily even ends? Before the Creed? Before the Preface? The Canon? The Consecration?

If you'll actually pay attention next time you attend an RCC church, you'll notice the priest is only at the pulpit for a few minutes after the Gospel. From there, he returns to the Altar.

Jeeze.

And I grew up Southern Baptist (Pleasant Valley #1, Lookout Valley Association). Never met a believing Southern Baptist who believed that only the born again were heaven bound. I say you don't have clue one.

Cleveland
January 25, 2008 8:01 PM

"Cleveland, Jesus never said, 'He who has my laws and keeps them'! He said variously whoever keeps my words or teachings, but it is utterly false to claim that he spoke of laws and doctrines in the way that you are claiming... if you're going to take what you believe, which is so easily refuted by facts, at least have the good sense not to turn it on others as if they are stupid and you are the keeper of all truth. A little bit of humility (which I believe the church still teaches us to have) would go a long way, my friend. Try it some time, would ya?" rebeccat

"I'd have to agree here, rebeccat.
Cut the patronizing, Cleveland. I probably know more about Roman Catholicism than you do." Susan

Please read the following, ladies:

>
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"He who has My commandments and keeps them..."
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
"Whoever knows and obeys my commandments..."
King James Bible
"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them..."
American Standard Version
"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them..."
Bible in Basic English
"He who has my laws and keeps them..."
Douay-Rheims Bible
"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them..."
Darby Bible Translation
"He that has my commandments and keeps them..."
English Revised Version
"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them..."
Tyndale New Testament
"He that hath my commandments and keepeth them..."
Weymouth New Testament
"He who has my commandments and obeys them..."
Webster's Bible Translation
"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them..."
World English Bible
"One who has my commandments, and keeps them..."
Young's Literal Translation
"he who is having my commands, and is keeping them..."

Ladies, do you think we ever can have a discussion without you two always getting your noses out of joint? When a debater gets snippy and flies off the handle, according to the good nuns who formed my Catholicism and my philosophy, it always signals that he lost the debate and is embarrassed, and is trying to cover it up with ad homen attacks.


Susan
January 25, 2008 8:18 PM

Ladies, do you think we ever can have a discussion without you two always getting your noses out of joint? When a debater gets snippy and flies off the handle, according to the good nuns who formed my Catholicism and my philosophy, it always signals that he lost the debate and is embarrassed, and is trying to cover it up with ad homen attacks.

If the shoe fits wear it. Who's ad hominem now?

Susan
January 25, 2008 8:21 PM

Excuse me, I shouldn't bother to answer you. Don't feed the troll, as they say.

Cleveland
January 25, 2008 8:55 PM

Per mom4vr61: "'The Good News is Jesus said To Peter, after making him head of His Church: 'I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.'
Would you please point out what verse says this? A lot of people believe that Jesus said on this rock (meaning foundation, what he taught - not on a person, Peter)."

John 1:42

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, "You are Simon the son of John; you shall be called Cephas " (which is translated Peter).
King James Bible
And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.
Douay-Rheims Bible
And he brought him to Jesus. And Jesus looking upon him, said: Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is interpreted Peter.
Weymouth New Testament
He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, "You are Simon, son of John: you shall be called Cephas" --that is to say, Peter (or 'Rock')
Webster's Bible Translation
And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas; which is, by interpretation, a stone.
Young's Literal Translation
and he brought him unto Jesus: and having looked upon him, Jesus saith, 'Thou art Simon, the son of Jonas, thou shalt be called Cephas,' (which is interpreted, A rock.)


Revised Standard Version, Matthew 16:

[18] And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.
[19] I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
[20] Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ.


mom4vr61, this is from the Catholic Encyclopedia:

The expression "power of the keys" is derived from Christ's words to St. Peter (in Matthew 16:19). The promise there made finds its explanation in Isaiah 22, in which "the key of the house of David" is conferred upon Eliacim, the son of Helcias, as the symbol of plenary authority in the Kingdom of Juda. Christ by employing this expression clearly designed to signify his intention to confer on St. Peter the supreme authority over His Church. For a consideration of the text in its dogmatic bearing, see POPE; PRIMACY. In the present article our sole purpose is to give a brief historical account of the meaning attached to the expression by ecclesiastical writers. [I will end it hear, mom4vr61, but you can Google it yourself.]



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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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