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Economics as if people mattered

Thursday January 17, 2008

Categories: Culture, Economics
In one of the comboxes below, Scott Lahti sent me to this excerpt of a Godspy interview with Joseph Pearce, the Catholic writer who recently wrote a book about the continuing relevance of "Small Is Beautiful" author E.F. Schumacher's ideas:...
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Sheilagh
January 17, 2008 10:05 AM

There's alot in that post.

On the Schumacher Society.

Great Barrington,MA is a known summer outpost for the uber-wealthy liberal left Tanglewood-type crowd. Spielbergs, Paltrows, formerly the Reeves, etc. That being said, I love his ideas but I can't see Republicans going for them.

This notion in particular.
One of the Society’s goals has been to create new institutional forms that provide access to land based on social and ecological objectives rather than market forces.

With 20+ years in land research, I see Land Trusts as critically important to quality of life and sustainability issues. And I really wish the Trusts were well distributed across state's and counties. And that a State Master plan could be developed to insure that distribution across the economic spectrum. But unfortunately there are no land trusts in poor neighborhoods and often they are just another way for the wealthy to keep their view and get a tax break.

Of course that's not the way it needs to stay and we could come up with a new and better way. I'm all in favor of it. Less subdivisions, more fields. Less subdivisions, MORE Fields!!!!

Susan
January 17, 2008 10:36 AM

Shellagh, I live in a big urban area suffering from a severe shortage of affordable housing, which means, a shortage of housing, since shortages drive up the price.

If we have more fields and less subdivisions, where are we supposed to live?

Charles Cosimano
January 17, 2008 10:58 AM

Politicians would not bother to sit down with Schumacher. They have to get elected.

Sheilagh
January 17, 2008 11:02 AM

Susan, I'm not sure fields and affordable housing need to be mutually exclusive rights.

I don't have all of the answers on this. Urban areas are naturally limited by their land area. How efficiently the building space available is used is important. Affordable public transportation. Prudent credit standards for mtgs also help alot. But I don't think all of the fields should be 20 miles outside of the city limits either. Land trusts shouldn't be limited to wealthy suburbanites. I understand Oregon has some great open space within it's city limits.

My thoughts go to a little girl of about 9 who stood up and asked a question to President Clinton who was speaking to a crowd of children at the Manchester Boys and Girls club about getting healthy and getting exercise. All the pols were going on about some cable tv program these kids couldn't ever afford to see and getting outside in the yard to play.

So this little girl raised her hand with a concerned look because she obviously wanted to do as the President said, and asked Mr. C, 'But . . . What if I don't have a yard?'Bill C. was stumped.

They got back to her question later and recommeded she run the stairs of her triple decker. I'm sure you could come up with better. And we all could do more to make sure there are safe open spaces for these kids. And not just a little playground on a dusty gravel lot. But a real place - even here in the overcrowded North Eastern cities.

Susan
January 17, 2008 11:42 AM

I understand Oregon has some great open space within it's city limits.

I understand that Oregon doesn't have any really big cities.

Using building space "efficiently" (to wit, dense housing) leads right straight to the little girl who has no yard.

California, where I live, is one of the most productive, if not THE most productive, agricultural state in the nation. We also have extensive wilderness areas, many hundreds of square miles. However, in the cities we have to provide for housing somewhere, and plopping huge open "fields" (more fields! fewer subdivisions!) in the middle of Los Angeles seems quixotic at best. Of course such a thing will never happen anyway.

Jillian
January 17, 2008 11:56 AM


If we have more fields and less subdivisions, where are we supposed to live?

Build more vertically, of course.

Rod Dreher
January 17, 2008 12:42 PM

Yes, but what if you don't have safe playgrounds? Here in Dallas, there are lots of poor people who can't let their children play outside safely, because of crime.

Scott Lahti
January 17, 2008 4:09 PM

While at the E.F. Schumacher Society web site, anyone for whom discovering unjustly-neglected writers, and browsing deep in the paperback shelves of used bookshops, are familiar exercises, is in for a revelation in bookmarking within its full-run archive (1948-1988) of the humanist weekly MANAS (www.manasjournal.org), one of the best-kept and most charismatic secrets in the history of American periodical publishing (circ. c. 2500); it gave, e.g., Schumacher's famous "Buddhist Economics" (more "Catholic" than Buddhist, actually, as EFS admitted later) its first US hearing. Anonymously edited by a Los Angeles Theosophist (Henry Geiger) without a trace of name-egotism or sectarian axe-grinding, MANAS explored and celebrated undogmatically for over forty years the ideas of some of the most wholesome decentralist thinkers in the West-meets-East interchange: Wendell Berry, the Bhagavad-Gita, William Blake, Martin Buber, Albert Camus, Macneile Dixon, Mohandas Gandhi, Joseph Wood Krutch, Abraham Maslow, Ortega y Gasset, Plato, Michael Polanyi, Socrates, Henry David Thoreau, Leo Tolstoy, Simone Weil...and hundreds of others, offering a running critique of modern "scientism" and offering visions in abundance of ways of life more noble than those pre-fobbed by our technocrat masters across the materialist landscape. Amazon lists back copies of the MANAS READER in abundance for a song.

To one who had before only dreamed of such a periodical, this heroic weekly came like Chapman's Homer did to Keats:

Then felt I like some watcher of the skies
When a new planet swims into his ken
Or like stout Cortez, when with eagle eyes
He stared at the Pacific, and all his men
Looked at each other with a wild surmise
Silent, upon a peak in Darien.*

*[Or New Canaan - Ed.]

Sheilagh
January 17, 2008 5:57 PM

That's the other half of the equation. Without some semblance of safety open spaces will remain unused.

Up here we're still small enough (1.3 mil in the whole state) to keep crime somewhat under control during the daylight hours.

When it comes to places that are already overly developed, the most extreme and least popular means is of course eminent domain buy backs. Next would be neighborhood revitalization plans that include open space, city wide rezoning to include multifamily structures, P.U.D's (planned unit developments with community spaces),High rise projects requiring open land/ buffer zones / parks. . . and on and on. Placing requirements on the builders seems to be the least costly for cities and towns. But the results are very piecemeal. Comprehensive community created and approved land use plans are always better.

One of the most effective plans utilized in the suburbs right now is to create smaller housing lot size standards (from 2 acres to .5 acre)and to require surplus to be built into the subdivision plan as open space.

I'm sure there are plenty of people with degrees in Land Use planning out there who have many more creative and successful scenarios that could be implemented. The point really is that leaving all of our land choices in the hands of the free market may lead to what's most cost effective for the builder but that isn't really what is always best for the community.

Sheilagh
January 17, 2008 6:03 PM

That's great Scott thanks. I love Simone Weil and Blake - being a classic Pilgrim soul type.

Wonder what a Theo-Sophist is? Those Sophists are a tricky lot.

Sheilagh
January 17, 2008 6:05 PM

should be include MORE multifamily structures.

Marian Neudel
January 24, 2008 2:11 PM

This discussion points directly at the discussion Crunchy Cons SHOULD be having:

while large families are terrific on the micro-level, enabling family members to learn sharing and compassion and mutual help and all those other great crunchy values, on the macro-level, if everybody has large families, we are suddenly faced with the very un-crunchy tradeoff between open space-small schools-walkable communities, and affordable housing. As one of the earlier posters pointed out, places like Great Barrington MA are havens for crunchy liberals--lots of space and natural beauty, but EXPENSIVE. That's what overpopulation does. One of my favorite sci-fi authors has invented a planet about which she doesn't tell us much except that, in the culture of its people, "You have not thought this through" is a deadly insult. I would move there given half the chance.

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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