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Honor killing in Dallas suburb?

Wednesday January 2, 2008

Categories: Islamic terrorism

News today that two teenage sisters have been shot to death in Irving, a Dallas suburb: Sarah Yaser Said, 17, and sister Amina Yaser Said, 18. Their father, Yaser Abdel Said, is being sought by the police. He's believed to be armed.

Police say they have no motive. Stay tuned to this one -- I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if those poor girls had "dishonored" the family in their father's eyes. I'll let you know what happens if the cops make an arrest and give what they believe to have been the motive.

I am reminded, though, of the former Dallas CAIR leader, Mohamed El-mougy, an Egyptian immigrant, defending to me and others from my newspaper the stoning of adulteresses and other social violence against moral transgressors as necessary to protect the community. To be sure, he did not mention honor killing. Still, this case bears watching to see what develops. A female Muslim friend of mine in Washington told me a few months back that she's in touch with more and more American Muslim women who are desperately afraid for their daughters and even their sons, in light of the kinds of attitudes that lead to honor kilings.

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Lynn
January 3, 2008 6:53 AM

"Why the continued blood libel from conservatives against the senator from Illinois? Afraid he might actually win?"

I hope you aren't referring to me, Larry - because whatever my failings, I certainly CANNOT be accused of placing any credence in the legal pronouncements of some Shariah infested court. . .

And besides, I kinda like the guy.

J R Dittbrenner
January 3, 2008 7:23 AM

Dear Mr, Dreber:
I do not mix religion and politics! Islam is both a religion and a political system complete with their own Laws; a state enacts its own laws. Their system of laws are not enacted by legislation but on commentaries over the centuries by their scholars and by local tradition. King Saud did not disagree with the court's verdict on the number of lashes but had to bow to Western pressure. That is one of the reasons most Muslim nations continue to have political turmoil as to who's on first; they have no set of legislative law enactments and courts to enforce their election. The Quran set down laws to guide one from birth to death. The concept of the for ever hero as the warrior is also set down as 'holy rite':
Putin, to you may be a radical but then you are not a Russian. It is to the Russian that he is a conservative. He - his government - and the church are a lining themselves; their phrasing, “The New Rome” is the same as under the Tsars. At the present they are a mutual association of interest.
Sincerely,
J R Dittbrenner

Scott in PA
January 3, 2008 8:02 AM

Mohseni's post might be a parody,... or it might not.

But it doesn't matter because Americans are already unwilling or unable to view Islam as irreconcilable with American culture, until such time when it will be too late.

DavidTC
January 3, 2008 11:47 AM

Why this "worship" of female virginity in all three patriarchal religions to the point that in at least one of them today a woman who even appears to break the taboo is deemed deserving of death? Is this worship from God or is it from Mammon?

Ha, good luck pointing out that the sexist assumptions 'in Islam' are also present in Christianity, also, and that the punishment for adultery is, in fact, death, and that said punishment almost always applied to the women and not the men.

Yes, we don't 'honor kill' people anymore, but if it hadn't been for the sexual revolution, we'd still be talking about how 'dishonored' such non-virgin women were.

When, as I've pointed out repeatedly, is totally unsupportable scripturally. Having sex once is no worse a sin than shoplifting a candy bar, but if some woman shoplifted a candy bar and then admitted it, she wouldn't be marked for life as 'impure'.

It's 'selective enforcement', it's making a sin two or three orders of magnitude worse than another sin solely because of patriarchal concepts about the ownership of women. This is, I suspect, one of the reasons we aren't supposed to be judging sin, because we'll pick sins we personally don't like to condemn. Or sins solely done by an underclass we can demonize and not 'us'. (Of course, women were not having sex by themselves, but somehow the men involved just got ignored.)

Both Islam and Christianity need to get rid of their vestigial sexist. Christianity is much much further along this path, but actually happened much more recent than people think. It dates back to the sexual revolution, not the enlightenment. We're talking 45 years, not 300.

Your Name
December 16, 2008 9:22 AM

In the name of Allah. Nowhere in Al Qur'an does it say anything about "honor killings". This is purely a cultural mindset in some Islamic countries. For example; Turkey is less likely to carry out honor killings than Iran would; but both countries are Islamic.

Before you start drawing rapid conclusions, first of all, Islam is PEACE! not violence/terror. and anyone portraying Islam as violent, terror, bloody, abusive etc is an enemy of Islam. Those so-called Muslims, killing their own daughters and sons in the name of Islam have no right to call themselves Muslims, because they have no right to judge another, let alone kill another. Life is a precious as Allah has made it, why destroy what Allah hath created. Honor and pride are those things which Satan cursed these people. Forgiveness and peace are those things which Muhammad and Jesus (peace be upon them) preached. Learn from the truth, not what others believe to be right.

ISLAM is PEACE!

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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