Huckabee the fake populist?
Incidentally, Larison explains here his views on self-reliance, and why he thinks Huckabee is a phony populist. Excerpt: Fundamentally, all of this comes back to the question of whether dependent people can be the governors of those upon whom they...
Huckabee is not perfect. I don't see much that separates his foriegn policy from other republicans. As for economics, it's at least refreshing to hear a republican talk any populist economics at all. Also I believe his belief in parole and clemency actually make him somewhat progressive in that area
What I especially like about him is his sense of the common good that can rightly be secured by government. The improvement of schools and roads he acheived in Arkansas is something that is fundamentally "conservative" (given that public education is woven into the American fabric). Another smaller, but still telling fact: his discussion of the importance of arts education.
Yeah, he isn't your granddaddy's conservative, but with all due respect to grandpa, that's not who we need right now.
I don't know why, but my server will never permit me to go to Larison's site. I'll just go with what Rod has given us.
but he apparently thinks the answer is to elect him so that working Americans will feel better about their President (he will remind them of their co-workers!), as if that will alleviate their real ills.
I'll admit that Huckabee's commercials can give you a case of the warm fuzzies. He comes across as being a really nice and honorable man.
I don't think that working Americans are going to go for his Fair Tax. This is what he says about it on his own web site:
But I am running to completely eliminate all federal income and payroll taxes. And I do mean all - personal federal, corporate federal, gift, estate, capital gains, alternative minimum, Social Security, Medicare, self-employment.
Working Americans, especially those entering retirement age, start to get a little nervous when politicians start messing around with SS and Medicare. Bush received little support when he wanted to change it.
I'm trying to imagine the amount that our government would have to tax our purchases if all of these other taxes were eliminated. Notice that he doesn't say that he wants to eliminate governmental services, but just draw the money in a different way.
I'm trying to figure out why Huckabee thinks that people who buy merchandise should have to pay more taxes for governmental services than people who don't. He says that people who are at the poverty level won't have to pay any taxes. Well, that's great. Let's forget about all of the paperwork that these poor people will need to submit to be reimbursed, and just think about how the working man(probably, not at the poverty level)is going to look at this.
Basically, it's going to hit the middle class the hardest because they'll be taxed at the same rate every time they go to the store as the millionaires who chooses not to do his/her share by spending his/her money on "stuff." In other words, the millionaire who spends most of his money on food and non-designer clothing and mortgage payments will be giving the government the same amount of money as the man who makes 30K/yr buying the same stuff.
Huckabee's got a lot of explaining to do, and he better start doing in a way that the working man will understand if he wants to elected the populist prez. Touchy, feely, Christmas ads and "I feel for you" ads aren't going to cut it when the Democrats narrow in on one candidate.
I have worked in a few different companies in my life. Without exception, there were many, many "co-workers" that I would rather of had leading the companiy than the utter fools at the corporate level. One look at Romeny and Huckabee on the same stage, reminds me of the idiots in management running the company for pure greed (Romney) and those that cared about the company everyday they went to work (Huckabee).
>>I'm trying to imagine the amount that our government would have to tax our purchases if all of these other taxes were eliminated.
Posted by: watsy | January 17, 2008 10:16 AM
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The Fair Tax people say low 30%, other analysts think closer to 50%.
BTW, just imagine what will happen to the housing market with a 30% tax premium...
Don't worry about Huck's tax plan. It would never survive Congress.
Good A costs $1. Add a 30% consumption tax, you have $1.30. The 'fair tax' however is a percent of gross, not a surcharge. Therefore .30 / $1.30 is 23% and voila, you have a '23%' fair tax. This is what Huckabee is proposing.
The putative advantage of such a system would be that there would be fewer beneits to lobbying. However companies lobby just as much in regard to regulation as they do 'tax loopholes'. 'Tax loopholes' are a largely immaginary monster that is supposed to explain why everyone's taxes are so high. It is related to the other largely imaginary monster "wasteful spending."
As Mr. Cosimano points out, this is as likely to make it through Congress as heavy fur coats are likely to become trendy in Miami. However his proposal does have note his deep aversions to taxing corporations or the wealthy. In his recent talks about stimulus packages on NPR, he spouted nonsense about reducing corporate taxes and regulation. He's a populist in name only.
An important point that you are forgetting is that the "Fair Tax" taxes services as well. Think about it. Let it sink in. Every $200 trip to the stylist will be taxed. Every $500 tune up for a Hummer will be taxed. Every $5,000 tab for lipo will be taxed. Every $300 dinner at the local 5 star restaurant will be taxed.
And when do rich people spend most of their wealth????? In the last few years of their life living in luxurious retirement condos. All taxed.
So if you live within your means, if you are frugal, you will benefit from the fair tax. If you want your children to inheret all that money that you can't take with you, they get it. And what do most of those people do with their inheritance? They spend it and that will be taxed.
The poor and the middle class and the rich will all receive a pre-bate to offset the tax on necessities. Tell me which system is fairer???
Actually no John. As a percentage of income, the poor approach 100% consumption. Their relative income tax would be 30%. High income earners spend say 60% of their income on consumption. We'll ignore for the moment that a large portion of wealthy people's income is not labor. Their effective income tax is 18% then. The prebate, or the welfare payment as it should be called, will reduce the burden for the poor and not really change the middle class and rich. Those hardest hit would be the middle class. Once you get into 2nd order calculations, the poor also take some lumps.
The tax rate would be 23%, but it also sends a pre-bate back to every American citizen. The great thing about it is that it forces everyone to pay taxes including illegal immigrants and people that choose to make their living doing things that can't be put on the books. The average person pays about 15% in taxes right now. The net net affect of this tax would be in actuality much less than that due to the fact that the cost of things would go down due to the fact that the businesses manufacturing these things would be paying fewer taxes as well. I'm a major proponent of the fair tax, but I don't think it will go into affect any time soon due to fear of the unknown. With that being said Huckabee would make a great president for more reasons than just that. I'm from Arkansas. When he took office our public school systems were #49 in the nation. Shortly after he left they ranked us at #7 in the nation. When he took office we were ranked by truckers magazine as having the worst highways in the nation. We completed 15 years of road construction in 5 years. This saved our economy and brought numerous jobs to Arkansas. We were also #49 in the nation in teenage pregnancy. When he left office we were #17. This is a man that not only preaches and preaches well, but he is also a man who practices what he preaches. I like Huck!!
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