The Muslim honor killing in Texas

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0104/p03s01-ussc.html

Sacramento, Calif. - A hate-crime trial reconvenes Friday in a case that's dividing Sacramento and drawing attention from organizations that monitor extremists.

Alex Shevchenko has been arraigned for a hate crime tied to the assault and eventual death of Satender Singh in July. According to prosecutors, Mr. Shevchenko and Andrey Vusik taunted Mr. Singh in a park because they thought he was gay. Mr. Vusik eventually threw a punch that toppled Singh, dashing his head, they charge.

Gay leaders in Sacramento say the incident followed several years of escalating tensions with some Slavic immigrants.

"The gut feeling of the [gay] community is that preaching among the local Russian evangelical community is breeding hate and that something would happen. And Satender was the something that happened," says Ed Bennett, a gay Democratic activist.

http://www.towleroad.com/2008/01/second-man-plea.html

I wrote about the beating death of Aaron "Shorty" Hall of Crothersville, Indiana last June. Hall was attacked and fatally assaulted after allegedly propositioning 19-year-old Garret Gray and 18-year-old Coleman King. Crothersville is a southern Indiana town halfway between Indianapolis and Louisville.

Daily Kos wrote at the time that Gray and King "were so freaked out when 'propositioned' by Aaron Hall on April 12th, that they proceeded to beat the 100 pound, 5'4 man for hours, using their fists, boots, dragging him down a staircase while his head slammed into each step, and then throwing him in a ditch and leaving. Aaron managed to crawl out of the ditch and out into a nearby field, where he died, alone and naked."

Mainstream media hardly noticed.

ds0490, you made your point well enough. You don't have to post seven separate posts in a row to show that some people hate gays and will do them violence. I've deleted them all. You are behaving obnoxiously in this thread, and will not be allowed to dominate it.

Sheeley, please elaborate. Explain why a caucasian male in the united states raised in what is still a judeo-christian society who murders his spouse, and children around the time of divorce/ separation or marital discord differs in mindset and motive from a man from another patriarchal society.

You've stated that I have "lumped all murders together". I have clearly not, as the examples I included were consistent in family members killing their own kin out of a sense of wounded honor, or pride her in the west. I excluded murders of women by men who felt they were disrespected by them in dating relationships, women killed in circumstances like the hiker in Georgia, and of course the slaughter of homosexual men by men who felt they were dishonored because they looked at them wrong. I mean I like my hyperbole too, but really now " all murders"

Are the perpetrators not men who believe they should never be contradicted, our outpaced by a woman? Do they not feel they as an entitlement of their gender to have a right over the very lives of their families to discard or control as it esteems them? Is their not a subculture of support and tacit approval over their actions?

My own experience with this is not broad, but very personal. As a child while my parents watched the evening news it was broadcast that a man in our region had bludgeoned his wife and children to death with a claw hammer, my father turned to my mother and told her that if it ever came to that, that is exactly what he would do. Decades later when the marriage did end, it ended in fear and violence. Thankfully my mother was unharmed after a week and half in hiding and two close calls.

I can't disagree that their are subtle differences among cultures in which this occurs, but I think the underlying motivation is the same.

Rod I'll bet the hole against the donut that there are others helping Said avoid capture. I'd also wager the vacant spot in the middle of the whole against the plate the donut is sitting that those helping him are doing so out of blind faith.

The same kind of blind faith exibited by those how helped the abortion clinic bomber evade the law for all those years. In fact on the early DMN forums there was a conversation about him and there was a lot of support for supporting him to the point of assisting him avoid law enforcement.

If you consider this situation from my perspective, men create gods and not vice versa, you can see Said having a god that would condone, even demand, his slaughtering his daughters for not only his salvation but their own.

That's Said's god, one that he found and embraced modified to fit his perspective of the world. To say that everyone who is Islamic thinks like he does is as silly as suggesting that all Christians are like Hagee or Robertson when it comes to politics.

John E. -

It has to do with the fact that muslim men are charged with enforcing islamic norms on their women and are quite specifically permitted to punish infractions through physical violence (in accordance with Q4:34), because "men have a degree over women," women are "deficient" in religion and intelligence, and men are their "protectors and maintainers:"

"There must be Violence against Women"

http://yementimes.com/article.shtml?i=1117&p=community&a=6

In other islamic news, another writer is threatened with death and forced into hiding, this time in the secular, democratic country of India:

http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest%2BNews/Asia/STIStory_182971.html

http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=193149&version=1&template_id=40&parent_id=22

The memorial service was definitely strange - Baptist service led by a Catholic priest.

but here is something not in the DMN story but reported by the FW Star-Telegram
"Patricia Said and her daughters quit their jobs at a Kroger grocery store in Lewisville just before Christmas, a company spokesman said.

Patricia and Yaser Said were wed in February 1987 when she was 15 and he was 30, Tarrant County marriage records show. The two have had addresses in Euless, Bedford, Grand Prairie and Arlington, public records indicate.

Yaser Abdel Said filed a missing-person report Dec. 26. He hoped police would help track down his wife, according to a report by KDFW/Channel 4."

so how did the father find out where the daughter's were? Did he force them into his cab?

I hope that the press digs deeper into this whole episode.

>>>Posted by: recovering ex-Pentecostal | January 6, 2008 3:51 PM

Well, except for the killing them part...

So it's legal to marry at 15 in Tarrant County? Oy.

Him being Muslim has nothing to do with it. I wouldn't kill my kids no matter what they do and I am Muslim. There are many men and women in this world that kill each other, their wives, or their kids. Why is it every time it is a Muslim. Lets bring the religion in it. But every time it is a Christian or Jew, or Hindu lets not.

I think the problem with this is that the man was abusive towards his children period.

I do not know who you have been talking too but in Islam this is completely and utterly wrong. Only uneducated Muslims would ever think this is acceptable. Actually only despicable people would ever harm or kill another human being. Being a certain religion has nothing to do with it.