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"The treason of the bishops"

Thursday January 31, 2008

Categories: Orthodoxy
Some readers are aware that the Orthodox Church in America, my church, is undergoing a huge scandal now centered on the hierarchy -- especially Metropolitan Herman and his coterie at church headquarters. It involves money, mostly, but also -- it...
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Jaybird
January 31, 2008 7:11 PM

Catholic leaders today have resources that the twelve Apostles could never have imagined. They have undergone years of formal training, honing the skills for thier ministry. They have access to every means of instant communication, including newspapers and electronic media. They control schools at every level, from kindergartens to universities. Their holdings in real estate alone are worth billions of dollars. Their flocks are (by reputation, at least) the most highly educated Catholic lay people in history. Yet the Church they guide is a shambles.

Maybe the public just isn't interested in the product anymore. It happens.

David
January 31, 2008 7:16 PM

I think the best answer to "why" bishops and other men of authority in the Church seem to so often fail is simple: what better way for the evil one to attack the Church than to attack its leaders? After all, assassins don't shoot citizens of a country: they go for the president or prime minister.

Steve
January 31, 2008 7:22 PM

Guess I need to think a little more about this one but my initial thought is that blind faith in people who have power is almost always a bad idea. There is a constant tension between the liberal and conservative viewpoints about authority on this site. Liberals question and often reject authority. Too much of this leads to chaos (true) and a breakdown in morality (often true). Conservatives support and enforce authority. When those in authority abuse that power (which they always do when they have full blind support) it leads to chaos (often true) and a breakdown in morality (true).

Both sides need to listen to each other without fear that doing so means having to give up ones core beliefs. Sometimes the other side is right.

Steve

Anonymous
January 31, 2008 7:38 PM

"The same corruption that produced the sex-abuse scandal... remains widespread in the Church today...the treason of the bishops."

Rod, do you want to keep it a secrete, or will you explain what the "treason" was? Not arguing, just asking.

Sounds like your friend means something other than the cover up. I am interested in finding out if his theory is the same as mine.

Treason doth never prosper, what's the reason?
For it it prosper, none dare call it treason.

Sir John Harrington


Mark in Houston
January 31, 2008 7:38 PM

What a terrible situation. It's particularly tragic because inevitably the people who suffer the most are those who are most devout and entrust their children with clerics whom they think are doing good work, thus wrecking their faith. It's not the families of skeptics and agnostics who suffer in these types of situations, generally. I'm certainly not a religious traditionalist and am something of a hard-boiled skeptic, but this sort of thing really makes one sympathize with those who just want a place for simple faith and a respite from the dangers of the outside world, only to find serpents in their midst.

Charles Cosimano
January 31, 2008 7:43 PM

Chaos and breaking down morality are good things.

Anonymous
January 31, 2008 7:43 PM

"...only to find serpents in their midst."

You're right, Mark, but remember that there was a serpent in paradise, too.

Rod Dreher
January 31, 2008 7:49 PM

Rod, do you want to keep it a secrete, or will you explain what the "treason" was? Not arguing, just asking.

I haven't read the whole book yet, only parts of it, but I'm sure he means the bishops having sold out the faith for worldly pleasures and influence.

Cleveland
January 31, 2008 7:50 PM

Sorry, the 7:38 and 7:43 PM comments are mine.

Steven
January 31, 2008 8:09 PM

Rod, I will admit I have been away from your blog for about a year now, but have been making it apart of my daily web surf as of recently. With that being said I remembered you being a Catholic? But, this post of yours goes against this idea that I had about your faith values. I myself a non-denom protestant have found a recent intrigue in Orthodox Christianity, I am curious to know then what brought you to changing? I love your blog and am greatly thankful for the richness and depth you offer to each issue, or article. Thanks! Steven

Sheilagh
January 31, 2008 8:49 PM

Ok This is used to be my issue. I was one of those people who stood outside in front of the NH Cathedral with the protesters, called the Bishop and asked him to resign several times (even though he denied in the newspaper that anyone had ever asked him to resign). I begged my pastor to get priests together to request his resignation. I did everything I possibly could.

My bishop ran the office in charge of disciplining priests in the Boston Diocese and failed miserably corruptly. He is still the Bishop of Manchester and he is SO unliked that the local Catholic HS had a petition signed by a majority of their students asking that he not come to their graduation. [That was great.]Our Bishop is still in place. Characteristically he went to the kids graduation and made a big show of being the MAN in charge. Many people had difficulty having their children confirmed because they did not want this Bishop and his poor example anywhere near their children.

He created a new diocesan magazine that generally features at least one large full size image of himself in the middle of the mag and a story about himself as well. When some priests did ask for his resignation, he decided to refuse the seminarians these men were asking to be admitted. That is until the priests apologized for disobeying their vow of obedience to this Bishop. He got rid of the Office of Spiritual Renewal - said we no longer needed it. Unsurprisingly this guy has an ego the size of the Atlantic and he is very fond of parading around his Power. He doesn't consider resigning for the good of the Faithful. I often find myself praying to forgive him and have told him as much in person. At the same time I've also emailed the Pope detailing what this Bishop's bad decisions did to ordinary people's lives. Not much has changed.

What I learned from the entire mess is that God is bigger than this Bishop. And if I keep my eyes on Christ, and NOT on this guy, my faith will be ok. For awhile it shattered and broke and by grace alone I kept walking in the dark. And well it's been a long time that I've been dealing with this but it's getting better. I'm thankful to see the seminars that people who work with children are required to see. I'm thankful that I've been given the opportunity to witness to some of my friends who were seriously injured and I'm thankful that I've been able to come back to God.

I'm still overly suspicious sometimes but maybe that's a good thing.

Sheilagh
January 31, 2008 8:51 PM

I haven't yet had a chance to read Phil's book, but I wanted to add a positive note.

I'm not sure Phil has the whole picture. There are still pockets of greatness in the Massachusetts Catholic community. The Holy Spirit is still working. But it's not everywhere, you've got to look for it. The Catholic colleges are good. The monasteries and retreat centers. The homeless shelters and soup kitchens. The Catholic hospitals. Good work is still being done. Definitely not at all the parishes, but some of the good ones are still open.

God will make a way.

Sheilagh
January 31, 2008 9:00 PM

Oh and it's very good to see some priests stand up publicly! It's very hard for them to do so. They face lots of sanctions.

Thanks for the encouraging info.
Pax

pb
January 31, 2008 9:23 PM

The Catholic colleges are good.

? Which ones? Certainly not BC.

John E.
January 31, 2008 9:24 PM

>>>
This is something I never could understand as a Catholic, and that I cannot understand as an Orthodox: why do men who are given the awesome authority of shepherding souls act in this way? Why do they have such a sense of entitlement? Do they even fear God, or believe in Him?
>>>

Governments are not for the benefit of the governed, they are for the benefit of those who govern.

Hierarchical religious organizations are not for the benefit of the worshipers, they are for the benefit of the hierarchy.

Erin Manning
January 31, 2008 9:49 PM

Or, John E., we could just look to the old proverb: Where God has His Church, the devil will have his chapel.

All men are prone to sin and evil. If we could see the interior of the soul, we would hesitate to let any man be a priest or a bishop--or a husband or a father; we would equally hesitate to let a woman lead a convent or be a wife or a mother.

As for the Catholic Church, its obituary has been written before, and will be again. I believe that the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Christ as the ordinary means of salvation, so I also believe in His promise that it will endure until the end. This doesn't mean that I think all bishops, or even most of them, are necessarily good men who care about the Catholics under their spiritual direction; I'd hate to argue with the saint who postulated on the likely materials that pave the floor of Hell.

M_David
January 31, 2008 10:09 PM

Erin, All men are prone to sin and evil. If we could see the interior of the soul, we would hesitate to let any man be a priest or a bishop--or a husband or a father; we would equally hesitate to let a woman lead a convent or be a wife or a mother.

So true. Well written.

As for the Catholic Church, its obituary has been written before, and will be again.

This sounds like a straw man; what person with a room temperature IQ or higher thinks the RCC is "dying" right now? Numbers are projected to go up, both from converts and breeding, as far as the eye can see.

One thing the Catholic Church has had from the beginning is cathlicity - it is the only truly global organization in the world. So certain areas are doing poorly (rich English speakers, natch), while others of a more humble bent are doing well. As would be expected, at least from anybody who has read the Beatitudes.

Reader John
January 31, 2008 10:17 PM

I'm not at all sure what the scandal is supposed to be in Alaska.

I'm a tonsured Reader (not in the OCA. I do nothing Clerical without my Priest's blessing. My office is attached to a particular parish, and elsewhere I'm a layman. In that Parish, I'm known. I'm not an authority figure. I'm not on my way to the Priesthood; though the office of Reader is sometimes spoken of as the first step to Priesthood, it's also a last step for people who want to be Readers (or who are drafted). I'm not sure it would have been inappropriate for me to be tonsured had I a child molesting conviction and had I repented of that sin. I would have less opportunity for bad behavior in my Cassock, in front of everyone, than merely coming to liturgy as a layperson.

Don't go looking for trouble.

Erin Manning
January 31, 2008 10:29 PM

No straw man intended, M_David; I was responding to these words by Mr. Lawler, which Rod quoted:

"The entire massive structure of Catholicism totters along on borrowed time. But the trend is clear. That whole structure will come crashing down, perhaps within the next generation, unless there is some dramatic change."

Now, perhaps he is only referring to the Church in the United States, but even then the specter of a full-scale institutional collapse seems like a rather overdrawn phantom.

Rod Dreher
January 31, 2008 10:49 PM

This sounds like a straw man; what person with a room temperature IQ or higher thinks the RCC is "dying" right now? Numbers are projected to go up, both from converts and breeding, as far as the eye can see.

The Lord promised that the Gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church. He didn't say the Gates of Hell wouldn't prevail against it in a particular time and place. Ask the Bishop of Hippo. Oh wait...

I'm only just now getting into Phil's book, and he seems to be talking about RCism in the US. Knowing Phil and his circle as I do, it's my impression that they are not comforted by increasing numbers of Catholics. The more important number to look at is mass attendance. It's not enough to identify as a Catholic; how many Catholics are making a serious attempt to live as Catholics? Phil -- as well as a dear priest friend -- talk about how the number of priests are fast dwindling. Who will care for the faithful when there are few if any priests? How can you have even a minimally Catholic life without the Eucharist? And so forth.

Phil talks in his introductory chapter about how Catholics in Boston today, in terms of their stances on key moral issues in which the Church's authoritative teaching runs against what the popular culture teaches, are no different from anybody else. So yeah, they identify as Catholic, but what does that mean, really? How can you tell? I think that's what Phil means when he talks about the collapse of the Church in America. Perhaps he also thinks of Ireland, which was so very Catholic until just yesterday, when they all walked away.

Cathleen
January 31, 2008 11:29 PM

This is something I never could understand as a Catholic, and that I cannot understand as an Orthodox: why do men who are given the awesome authority of shepherding souls act in this way? Why do they have such a sense of entitlement? Do they even fear God, or believe in Him?

I'm convinced it's because they're not men of prayer. I cannot believe that anyone who spends regular time in honest prayer could act this way. That may sound like a harsh judgment, but I'd bet the ranch on it. Archbishop Alban Goodier, SJ, said it best in his essay, "The More Excellent Way" (http://www.themissionchurch.com/excellentway.htm):

"On the other hand, it is possible to be a great saint, and yet to be imperfect in many respects: ask the saints themselves and they will all tell you of their many failures and shortcomings. But one thing is not possible; it is not possible to grow in the knowledge and love, and imitation of Jesus Christ, without at the same time growing in the perfection of every virtue and becoming more a saint every day."

I second your admiration of Phil Lawler. He and I grew up in the same neighborhood, where our parents still own their homes. I'm looking forward to reading his book.

Sheilagh
January 31, 2008 11:44 PM

I understand what you're saying about BC. I was thinking regionally. Stonehill College, Providence College, St.Anselm, Rivier College, maybe even Merrimack College and Assumption.
Even Holy Cross has it's good points - Alot of volunteers for the Jesuit Volunteer Corp.

[Disclaimer: My dad was a BC alum.] I'm not vouching for all the Jesuits, but Peter Kreeft is in the Philosophy Dept at BC and he's quite good.

He even likes Kierkegaard. Here's his website. http://www.peterkreeft.com/home.htm

Larry Parker
January 31, 2008 11:46 PM

Rod:

I'm still trying to figure out how you turned a tale of scandal in your current church into an endorsement of a full-scale condemnation of your former one.

Bait and switch, anyone?

Sheilagh
January 31, 2008 11:50 PM

It is not possible to grow in the knowledge and love, and imitation of Jesus Christ, without at the same time growing in the perfection of every virtue and becoming more a saint every day.

I'd like to think that's true. But the older I get the less sure I am.

M_David
February 1, 2008 12:28 AM

Erin, No straw man intended, M_David; I was responding to these words by Mr. Lawler, which Rod quoted: "The entire massive structure of Catholicism totters along on borrowed time.

My bad. I didn't read that part.

John E.
February 1, 2008 12:35 AM

>>>
I'm still trying to figure out how you turned a tale of scandal in your current church into an endorsement of a full-scale condemnation of your former one.

Bait and switch, anyone?
Posted by: Larry Parker | January 31, 2008 11:46 PM
>>>

Jeeze, Larry, didn't you read Rod's post? He's exercising his spiritual self-discipline.

Rod Dreher
February 1, 2008 12:35 AM

I'm still trying to figure out how you turned a tale of scandal in your current church into an endorsement of a full-scale condemnation of your former one.

Larry, I swear, I have no idea how you think. Can you not read? I wrote that the same dynamic I saw playing out so destructively in my former Church seems to be playing out in my present church. And I quoted a new book by a prominent orthodox Catholic journalist who dissects the Boston scandal, and who offers his work as a cautionary tale to all churches about how bishops court ruin if they place their own comfort and respect for the world above the Gospel. Obviously I cited Phil Lawler's work as a warning to my own bishops about their behavior. And yet you somehow see this post "a full-scale condemnation" of the entire Catholic Church!

Really, Larry, this is daft.

Zoetius
February 1, 2008 12:36 AM

1) The church is not our one source of infallible hope.
2) Infallible hope doesn't rape (or support those who do) children (or anyone else for that matter).
3) God is the only source of hope and is alone infallible , and I have given up on finding God in any church or organized religious practice. If these atrocities are going on and sexual abuse is very common in houses of worship across all faiths, I assure you God is not there.
4) I have given tremendous amounts of time and resources to these organizations to find that they are as Christ described "whitewashed tombs" for the faith they destroy by their atrocities.

I do admire Rods Quixoitic hope that "The Church" can play a part in the redemption of western culture, however I have found that it is rotten to the core.

Keeping God, throwing out the wrapper.

John E.
February 1, 2008 12:44 AM

>>>Posted by: Zoetius | February 1, 2008 12:36 AM

nicely put!

John E.
February 1, 2008 12:52 AM

>>>And yet you somehow see this post "a full-scale condemnation" of the entire Catholic Church!

Read Larry's post more carefully. He didn't say you were offering a full scale condemnation of the RCC. He said your post turned into an endorsement of a full-scale condemnation of the RCC.

The endorsement being your plug for Phil Lawler's book, the condemnation being such as the following:

Indeed the corruption is more firmly entrenched now than it was in 2002 because the hierarchy has refused to acknowledge the most serious aspect of the scandal: the treason of the bishops.

Reform cannot begin until the corruption is acknowledged. And since the American hierarchy apparently cannot or will not recognize the corruption with itself, other Catholics must call the bishops to account and demand the sort of responsible pastoral leadership that the American Church has not seen for years.

James
February 1, 2008 12:52 AM

Gotta second Reader John on the Alaska-thing-- I don't know the details of that particular story. But the order of Reader really is a very very minor order-- it means the guy has an official blessing to chant during Matins. If this is in the distant past and he's truly repentend and been reconciled to the Church, I just can't find it in me to be scandalized.

I'd be more concerned, actually, if he were a Sunday School teacher-- and that's not even a minor order.

James
February 1, 2008 1:00 AM

Apologies-- just read the Alaska article; it says how old the guy was when he went to jail, but not how old he is now. "Step to the priesthood" is a bit of a stretch. Yes, most priests have been tonsured Readers at some point in the past, but then all priests have been baptized as well... does that make baptism a step to the priesthood? Being tonsured a reader means that you've been trained to chant Matins, nothing more sinister than that.

This particular situation may well be questionable... there are upsetting things going on in Alaska. But if anything about this is scandalous, it's something bigger than the mere fact that an ex-con is leading the choir before Liturgy.

meh
February 1, 2008 3:17 AM

"One thing the Catholic Church has had from the beginning is cathlicity - it is the only truly global organization in the world. So certain areas are doing poorly (rich English speakers, natch), while others of a more humble bent are doing well. As would be expected, at least from anybody who has read the Beatitudes."

Off topic - M_David, so your point of view is trans-national as opposed to nationalist? You would just as soon see Mexicans outbreed Anglos in this country because Anglos have turned their backs on God? It would serve the Anglos right? Bring in African believers, etc. to replace the heathen Anglos?

Mark
February 1, 2008 3:25 AM

Catholicism is an anethema to me, so I don't want to comment on it directly. But the concept that people who wield money and influence become corrupted - even if it's just that those who are entrusted with hard choices tend to compromise, rather than uphold what's right - is not unique to any form or version of Catholicism. Sadly, it is true for officeholders of ANY organization, religious, private, public.

The only "solution" is the 2nd Coming, but until then, not holding our church's leadership as "higher" than the membership, not placing anyone in a judgement position, where anyone presumes to make judgements for another, is one step that certainly fits the Biblical model.

We want to trust those with whom we have placed our reliance to conduct the business of a church in a Godly manner, and it stings when they betray that trust.

Max Schadenfreude
February 1, 2008 4:23 AM

"Catholicism is an anethema to me, so I don't want to comment on it directly."

That's funny!

Rod Dreher
February 1, 2008 8:13 AM

Your idea that Phil Lawler -- a faithful orthodox Catholic who for many years edited Catholic World Report -- is engaged in a "full-scale condemnation" of the Roman Catholic Church is way off. As should be clear in the short bit I posted, Phil is criticizing the BISHOPS, who represent the institutional aspect of the Church, as a way of DEFENDING the Church. His view is that the bishops have betrayed the responsibilities of their office, and in turn, the Church. You are making the clericalist mistake: accepting that the Church is the institution, and nothing but.

I've mentioned on this blog before how I got crossways a powerful bishop back in 2002. He admonished me privately to quit criticizing the Church and her bishops over the sex abuse scandal. I told him I wasn't going to do that, because as a Catholic layman, I believed I had a right and a responsibility to point out wrongdoing on the part of the bishops and other clergy, and to demand reform. We went back and forth on this point, and I finally told him that I was speaking out because I didn't trust the bishops to take care of the sex abuse problem, as they had not done so to this point, despite repeated warnings of how bad the corruption was.

This bishop said, "If you don't trust the bishops to handle it, why are you Catholic?" This, frankly, was shocking to me. The assumption behind his question was that the Catholic faith primarily consists in fidelity not to the Gospel and the authoritative teachings of the Church, but in trust of the episcopal class's leadership. I believe it was literally unthinkable to this bishop that a bishop could betray the faith by sins of omission or commission, and that a layman could ever legitimately call him on it. And I think the mentality among lay Catholics that effectively puts the clergy above the law (canon and secular) helped the molesters get away with it.

Jeff Sullivan
February 1, 2008 9:33 AM

Your 8:13 a.m. post, Rod, hits the proverbial nail right on the head. The problem with the bishops is that they believe Catholicism derives from their authority, not from Christ. May God grant those who have lost their way a right and proper awakening.

M.Z. Forrest
February 1, 2008 9:59 AM

It's not that I'm holding the OCA to a different standard than the Roman Catholic Church, my former communion, which I devoted an immense amount of time and energy criticizing for its corruption regarding the sex abuse scandal. It's rather that I know that I have to exercise spiritual self-discipline, knowing my own weaknesses.

I for one can respect that. I hope others have expressed their understanding personally. I don't have a whole lot of respect for Phil Lawler and CWN, but that is mostly periphial to this discussion. I just figured you wouldn't mind hearing from one person that you don't need to criticize the OCA to maintain credibility.

Irenaeus
February 1, 2008 10:25 AM

I'm not Catholic -- yet? -- and yet I find myself compelled to respond to Zoetus:

>>>>
1) The church is not our one source of infallible hope.
2) Infallible hope doesn't rape (or support those who do) children (or anyone else for that matter).
3) God is the only source of hope and is alone infallible , and I have given up on finding God in any church or organized religious practice. If these atrocities are going on and sexual abuse is very common in houses of worship across all faiths, I assure you God is not there.
4) I have given tremendous amounts of time and resources to these organizations to find that they are as Christ described "whitewashed tombs" for the faith they destroy by their atrocities.

I do admire Rods Quixoitic hope that "The Church" can play a part in the redemption of western culture, however I have found that it is rotten to the core.

Keeping God, throwing out the wrapper.
>>>>

A few things: First, regarding number (1) and (2) and the church being "rotten to the core": you're illegitimately substituting part for whole. Horrible things have indeed happened, but there are many, many, many faithful priests and bishops in the Orthodox and Catholic churches, as well as faithful ministers in the Protestant churches.

Second, regarding (2): sex abuse is *not* common across all churches, but I suppose it depends on how one would define common. You're also expecting churches and the people who constitute them to be without fault, and Christians have always taught that the church on earth is going to have wheat and weeds, it's going to be a mixed body. (Wasn't it Chesterton who argued that the sins of church's members were an argument for her truth claims?) Furthermore, you cannot be a Christian and not be part of a church, given what Jesus and Paul and others in the New Testament say. You can't 'keep God and throw out the wrapper' as a Christian, whether Protestant or Catholic or Orthodox. Now, if you would consider yourself not a Christian but a theist of some sort, that's a different matter. I can't speak to that.

Third, regarding the renewal of Western culture, I think that the church -- were she to get her house in order -- is the one institution that could renew it. (Of course, there's so much involved here regarding worldviews and conceptions of the good and what might constitute 'renewal' that it's a tough issue to discuss.) What has secularism given us? Pornography, prostitution, abortion as birth control, the crimes of secular totalitarian states, and so forth. Only Christianity can renew culture because only Christianity teaches the value of the person, the need of the person to be connected to other persons, the goodness and beauty of the world, and the possibility of truth. And any worldview that does echo those things is dependent on Christianity's prior development thereof.

Fourth, regarding the tone of the whole post and number (4): I am so sorry -- truly -- that you must have had such a bad experience, and I don't take that lightly.

Northwest guy
February 1, 2008 10:36 AM

I'm Presbyterian, my wife comes from a family crawling with Missouri Synod Lutheran pastors. We've been church-goers all our lives. We know dozens of pastors very well (and in fact have more than a dozen in our family lines, including my wife's dad and brother). We've come to the conclusion that the clergy is a necessary evil. Can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em. The whole idea of status and power within the Body of Christ is inherently dangerous, as evidenced by clergy scandals from Day One. And its a cop out to say that the clergy is no less honest/righteous than other occupational groups. Actually, we think clergy as a group are worse than most any other occupational group. Because of the power, status and "strategic location" guaranteed to clergy, the job attracts a lot of creeps and corrupts a lot of people who were decent when they entered the field. Specifically, being a pastor is the perfect cover for creepiness of all stripes. A member of my wife's family is a perfect example: sexual predator, pornographer, alcoholic, wife beater, Holocaust denier and compulsive gambler, and still a Missouri Synod Lutheran pastor in good standing after almost 50 years of such behavior. No profession has such a lax system of discipline. Also, no other profession heaps so many honors and praises on their members. Consider this: churches typically throw lavish parties and worship services to celebrate their pastor's 25th year in the ministry. Does the legal profession do that for lawyers? Does the plumber's union do that for plumbers? Of course not. That kind of over-the-top clergy worship gives some pastors the feeling that they are gods (and then they act accordingly). Despite all this, we have known pastors who were true men or women of God, and who walked their Christian talk. And certain pastors have stood by us when our lives were crashing down around us. We've concluded that the broken-ness of the clergy profession is an inherent element of our fallen world. We need pastors, but we should never completely trust the clergy. As J.K. Rowling's Madeye Moody would say, "Constant vigilance!"

Rod Dreher
February 1, 2008 10:58 AM

I think of Gandalf, refusing the Ring of Power because he knew himself too well. He knew that he was inclined toward good, but that he was weak: that if he accepted absolute power, he would become a monster, because he would tell himself that everything he wanted to accomplish would be for Good. He would cease to be aware of his own fallibility, and would, in time, become corrupted -- all the while never intending to do Evil.

I think this is the great temptation for religious leaders of all kinds. To believers (well, most believers), they have a mandate from heaven. As an Orthodox Christian, I believe that the priesthood and the episcopate are divinely ordained offices. But that does not mean that the men who inhabit them will always be acting according to the will of God. The danger is that these men, these fallible men, will forget who they are, and Whom they serve, and will confuse His will with their own. In that regard, I am absolutely certain I don't have the moral strength to be a bishop, or even a priest. I am not remotely humble enough.

Sheilagh
February 1, 2008 10:59 AM

On Rod's 8:13 post

Good for you!!! I'm very proud of you for standing up. 100% correct. When we naively gave the Bishops trust, they abused it. Real people, real lives were shattered.

So of course they now need to earn that trust back. Some of them will prove worthy, others not. Our obedience is to God. Clericalism is a danger to the Faith. - as is Arrogance.

What gives me hope, is that when all this started to be revealed at the Boston Globe, Cardinal Bernard Law called on all Catholics to pray. Apparently, he was hoping the prayers would stop the newspaper from bringing out the scandal. Instead, almost everything was brought out into the light. Secrets can't be healed. But the light of day is exactly what was needed! And it started through prayers of the faithful. That to me is a very consoling thought. Justice, righteousness on the part of the laity.
And God is bigger than ALL of this. I like to think of these revelations as a blessing of the Jubilee - to have all this garbage purged and hopefully prevented in the future. God willing that'll be true.

I'd like to see the issue addressed in the Orthodox Churches as well. I still know of an American Melchite priest who abused over 20 teens and was sent away to Lebanon. As far as I know the Melchite Church hasn't instituted the same policies for protecting children that the RC church has. But I keep praying as so many others do. I hope many people have learned compassion from all of this.

Rod Dreher
February 1, 2008 11:49 AM

I've deleted the two posts by "ex-Bostonian," because the "ex-Bostonian" turns out to be none other than the kooky Diane Kamer, who was banned from this blog ages ago. It may be of interest to longtime readers and sundry savorers of the lives of the morbidly eccentric to know that she's still with us, and still reading this blog. And I, for one, appreciate the extra hits to the site.

Max Schadenfreude
February 1, 2008 11:52 AM

I love the Catholic Church, it's just all those darn Catholics that bug me!

Rob G
February 1, 2008 12:11 PM

'the "ex-Bostonian" turns out to be none other than the kooky Diane Kamer, who was banned from this blog ages ago'

Now you've done it, Rod. "She Who Must Not Be Named" has been named! Who knows what manner of infernal repercussions in the space-time continuum will result?

Scott Walker
February 1, 2008 12:33 PM

There is much more rot in the diocese of Alaska besides the tonsuring of the convicted sex offender, but good Lord, isn't that enough? The young man in question enjoyed making video tapes of his three-ways with underage girls. He may indeed have repented, but would it not have been better for his soul and for the faithful if he had been directed to stand quietly in the congregation for a decade or so, and then, maybe, consider tonsuring him? St. John Chrysostom wouldn't have let him get past the narthex after such a sin without a prolonged and public penance, let alone setting him up at the reader's stand.

Jonathon Scott
February 1, 2008 12:56 PM

Mr Dreher,

Does it give you any pause that your bishop seems at best to be turning a blind eye to the scandal in the OCA or at worst is even complicit? He has after all done nothing to help bring resolution to this crisis and has even provided safe haven for two priests (one now defrocked) who were at the heart of the OCA's central administration when these alleged improprieties were taking place.

Fr. Dcn. Raphael
February 1, 2008 1:09 PM

One must remember, that "reader" in the Alaska church, has a bit more to it then down here in the lower 48. In the diocese of Alaska there is something like 120 parishes, but only 40 or so priets. So for many of these villages, the "reader" is the de facto leader of the congregation.

Zoetius
February 1, 2008 2:20 PM

Irenaeus,

Thanks for responding. Here are my thoughts


Irenaeus "First, regarding number (1) and (2) and the church being "rotten to the core": you're illegitimately substituting part for whole. Horrible things have indeed happened, but there are many, many, many faithful priests and bishops in the Orthodox and Catholic churches, as well as faithful ministers in the Protestant churches."

I argue the opposite. There are few holding fast. There are many perpetrators and many more enablers perpetrating atrocities on children ( and women as well I know but I'm just focusing on kids here). Rod has written extensively on the response of both the laity and church authorities to the victims of sexual abuse in the Roman Catholic Church. From parties for pedophile priests, excommunications, death threats, and shunning. Each act was of extreme evil. He again takes the role of prophet to warn about Orthodoxy.

Irenaeus, "regarding (2): sex abuse is *not* common across all churches, but I suppose it depends on how one would define common.

Common: 1 incident per 5 houses of worship. Incident being sexual abuse of child or adult, by church authority Priest, rev., pastor to sunday school teacher, coaches, and even highly esteemed lay members. I also include supressive/ enabling behavior by the laity/ church members.

-four year old molested by baby sitters son. Son caught twice by baby sitter molesting child with no action. Child tells parents. Social worker investigating attends church with "Upright" woman. Tells family to stop teaching their child to entice adults.

-Deacons molests daughter for years. Daughter tells pastor, pastor tells daughter to forgive. Family and church blame "crazy" daughter for Deacons ensuing heart attack and death after she reports abuse of 9 yo niece by Deacon.

-Pastor rapes and sodomizes women (note the plural form )during counseling session, tells women it is god's will. Church votes to keep pastor. Women ostracized threatend.

-mother rapes son repeatedly, father locks child in unheated garage and during midwestern winter and beats him out of jealousy. Tells pastor, pastor tells child its his dads responsiblity as head of house to dealt with it. At 18 the man is a rattling shell unable to speak without stuttering. Nearly the entire congregation knows, no one called child protective services.

-50 year old man recounts his escape from 3 different priest that tried to sodomize before he was 14. A very angry atheist indeed. Of whom I can't spend to much time with. How can there be a God indeed.....

Except for one example I knew each of these people at one point or another. Each told me their story and I heard each story before the age of 30.

Its everywhere and its insidious from Mormons to Jehovah's Witnesses, Mainline Protestant, small white board rural church, to Catholism and Orthodoxy.

Irenaeus "You're also expecting churches and the people who constitute them to be without fault, and Christians have always taught that the church on earth is going to have wheat and weeds, it's going to be a mixed body."

No I expect that church leaders will not rape children ( or those that they are given authority over) or aid and abet those who do. Or instigate genocides or commit murder. Adultery, theft, addiction,gluttony,materialism, and looking at other adults doing naughty things are the internet ...not-so- much.

Irenaeus "Furthermore, you cannot be a Christian and not be part of a church, given what Jesus and Paul and others in the New Testament say. " and "You can't 'keep God and throw out the wrapper' as a Christian, whether Protestant or Catholic or Orthodox."

I can no longer participate in an Institution that in the Name of God, commits these atrocities. By committing my time and resources I become complicit .

Holy hermits and Dessert fathers baby, the solo seeker is traditional. It has it's pitfalls, but I won't

And I am a Christian and will be for as long as I can be. Oddly enough its the children literature that keeps me going, CS Lewis "The Last Battle" JK Rowlings, even Pullman oddly enough. I've heard scripture used to often to justify horrible things.

Irenaeus "Third, regarding the renewal of Western culture, I think that the church -- were she to get her house in order -- is the one institution that could renew it. "

Because of these atrocities and the churches responses to them any witness that a Christ proclaiming church could have to todays world... is null and void. By these actions the church neuteured itself, and muzzled it truest witness, and most tragically actively participated in the demise of Western culture.

Irenaeus "Fourth, regarding the tone of the whole post and number (4): I am so sorry -- truly -- that you must have had such a bad experience, and I don't take that lightly.

Thanks. That means something

Jim
February 1, 2008 2:38 PM

And yet we are to trust the Pope when he asserts doctrinal infallibility?

M_David
February 1, 2008 3:20 PM

meh, Off topic - M_David, so your point of view is trans-national as opposed to nationalist? You would just as soon see Mexicans outbreed Anglos in this country because Anglos have turned their backs on God? It would serve the Anglos right? Bring in African believers, etc. to replace the heathen Anglos?

I don't want to steal this thread. But let me just say that my opinion on this doesn't matter, does it? I was merely relating facts. I try not to let my personal opinion get in the way of reality. The days of Anglo hegemony are over, because they won't breed.

Larry Parker
February 1, 2008 3:29 PM

Rod:

"Daft," huh? A compliment from you. I do seem to get under your skin a bit ...

(But hey, at least John E. got my point.)

OF COURSE the bishops ARE the Catholic Church. That's not to say either you or I agree in the least that should be the case, only describing the reality of the institution (the Church itself, as opposed to CATHOLICS). Why do you think you're no longer a Catholic? Why do you think I'm a severely lapsed one?

You accept the hierarchy or you don't. Period. For very different reasons, neither of us could/can.

pb:

According to the fairly unanimous vote of CCers, other than the tiny patch of the Hilltop inhabited by Patrick Deneen and one particular Jesuit, Georgetown might as well be a community college as well.

sigaliris
February 1, 2008 3:46 PM

Zoetius said: I can no longer participate in an Institution that in the Name of God, commits these atrocities. By committing my time and resources I become complicit .

Zoetius, my heart goes out to you, especially after hearing the number of painful situations you've encountered. Your conclusion is the same one that I was forced to. If there were any way I could stay in the Church and feel that I was working for real, meaningful change, I would do so. But there is none. As long as I stay, I'm just headcount for an unjust system. I cannot believe that's what Jesus would want me to do.

Joseph D'Hippolito
February 1, 2008 3:46 PM

This is something I never could understand as a Catholic, and that I cannot understand as an Orthodox: why do men who are given the awesome authority of shepherding souls act in this way? Why do they have such a sense of entitlement? Do they even fear God, or believe in Him?

Rod, I'm surprised at your incredulity. In any bureaucratic, hierarchical system in which the leadership is deliberately isolated and no mechanisms for redress of grievances exist -- indeed, accountability is distinctly discouraged -- arrogance will result and corruption will almost immediately follow. Just look at the Soviet Union in its heyday.

That's what I've been saying on Catholic blogs for years, now, but no Catholic wants to address that problem. That's because devout Catholics have been effectively brainwashed into worshipping the hierarchy. They've been conditioned into offering blind deference to their religious leaders simply on the basis of their position. They've been taught for years that they are "unworthy" by comparison. They've been taught that "Rome knows best."

Heck, the hierarchy worships itself. Note the circling of the wagons during the clerical sex-abuse crisis. Note, theologically, the blunt dismissal of 2,000 years of teaching on capital punishment because of John Paul II's personal (and unconscionable) revisionism on the issue.

You think this is a new problem, Rod? Not for nothing did St. John Chrysostom say, "the road to Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops."

recovering ex-Pentecostal
February 1, 2008 3:47 PM

"Indeed the corruption is more firmly entrenched now than it was in 2002 because the hierarchy has refused to acknowledge the most serious aspect of the scandal: the treason of the bishops."

Crimens Solicitationes, anyone? I mean, it's POLICY not to report but instead to cover up abuses. Why is ANYONE surprised?

Joseph D'Hippolito
February 1, 2008 4:03 PM

One more point:

The Catholic Church is so fixated on dominating the laity that it engages them in mass guilt. The poor are used especially as a battering ram against the middle and upper classes. But the Church Establishment doesn't care about the poor (the laity, priests and nuns do, but that's independent of their bosses). They see the poor as puppy dogs who cannot do anything for themselves and must be ministered to, not as human beings created in God's image who have talents and abilities that must be encouraged and developed.

Of course, developing those talents and abilities means developing a sense of self-confidence. Developing a sense of self-confidence means developing an independent mind. Developing an independent mind means questioning things, like Church authority. See the scam here, boys and girls?

Yes, Christ demands that we help the poor and vulnerable. But the victims of sexual abuse were "poor" and vulnerable in their own way. Where were the "apostolic successors" for them, huh?

Rod Dreher
February 1, 2008 4:04 PM

Larry: OF COURSE the bishops ARE the Catholic Church. That's not to say either you or I agree in the least that should be the case, only describing the reality of the institution (the Church itself, as opposed to CATHOLICS). Why do you think you're no longer a Catholic? Why do you think I'm a severely lapsed one?

That's theologically untrue. You cannot have the Catholic Church without the bishops, but the fullness of the Catholic Church doesn't consist within the clergy. Same is true of the Orthodox church.

Rob G
February 1, 2008 4:45 PM

"In every village there is a lamp, the teacher. In every village, there is an extinguisher, the priest"

Yeah, the U.S. educational system is doing a hell of a job, I must say!

Zoetius
February 1, 2008 4:47 PM

Rob G, Seen the Lolita post eh?

pb
February 1, 2008 6:11 PM

"In every village there is a lamp, the teacher. In every village, there is an extinguisher, the priest"

I see Voltaire is back.

Rod Dreher
February 1, 2008 7:13 PM

A commenter who has been banned repeatedly, but who has an Asperger's like determination not to be ignored, but the quote up there. I deleted his remark.

M_David
February 1, 2008 8:14 PM

pb, I see Voltaire is back

Naw, it was our buddy Victor Hugo reincarnated.

Maybe we can modify the quote just a tad to better fit our era. How about,

"In ever city there is an arsonist, the liberal teacher. In every city there is also the fire chief, a traditional pastor."

As of late, we are running short of water.

Jennifer
February 1, 2008 8:27 PM

I also attend an OCA parish. I guess I have to say that I'm becoming increasingly troubled by the "sky is falling" mentality. God's will will prevail regardless of whether the bishops get it together or not. There's seems to be the attitude that they need to change on our terms and if they don't change it will be a catastrophe. But the Church has been on the brink of disaster from the beginning. There was always a crisis of some kind or the other. From any secular point of view, it never would have lasted as long as it did.

Maybe the OCA will disappear but the Orthodox Church will survive.

Cleveland
February 1, 2008 8:38 PM

"And yet we are to trust the Pope when he asserts doctrinal infallibility? Jim

No, Jim, not "we". Only faithful, orthodox Roman Catholics are to trust in the Christ-promised infallibility of Peter in matters of faith and morals.

Secondly, you may want to apologize to God in your prayers tonight for that remark. Neither JP II nor B XVI ever said or implied, infallibly or non-infallibly, that the abuse or attempted cover up by some bishops was OK in any sense whatsoever.

I know that you're angry at Rome for taking matters into their own hands regarding the (this time enforced) ban on homosexual seminarians, and for sticking to the 2,000-year old, infallibly proclaimed position that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered. But that gives you no footing to slam the Pope's infallibility when teaching on matters of faith and morals.

pb
February 1, 2008 9:29 PM

Naw, it was our buddy Victor Hugo reincarnated.
I figured it was someone anti-clerical and French. heh.

sigaliris
February 1, 2008 10:45 PM

Y'all really should read more about Lord Acton. Googling will rapidly take you to this interesting and useful review of a biography, "Lord Acton," by Roland Hill. Acton opposed the declaration of papal infallibility, and it was this controversy that gave rise to his famous statement, "Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely."

An illuminating quote:

. . . he cared most about the history of political, religious, and intellectual liberty, and his historical studies taught him that Catholic writers and scholars had often been willing to conceal and falsify the truth about the church's past and the evil and immoral actions of pontiffs, saints, and princes in what they deemed the higher interests of Catholicism. For Acton this was inexcusable. He came to think that nothing was more important in the historian's dealing with the past than to stigmatize wrongdoing, especially deeds like murder, assassination, persecution, and massacres carried out in the name of religion. The more powerful the worldly position of the culprits, he felt, the more they were to be condemned, and he considered that the authors and apologists who tried to justify or hide their crimes were even worse than the perpetrators.

Perhaps we need a little more of the heritage of Lord Acton.

sigaliris
February 1, 2008 11:26 PM

Well, my link got sent off to moderation purgatory, but if anyone wants to read the whole review, it's at vgronline.org/ articles/2001/winter/zagorin-lord-acton-victorian/. (The Virginia Quarterly Review, review by Perez Zagorin.)

Larry Parker
February 2, 2008 12:14 AM

Theologically, or doctrinally, Rod? There's a difference here.

I admit I cannot speak to Orthodox structure, but it is indisputable that to a devoted Catholic, the Pope is infallible on matters of morals -- and even if the Pope doesn't formally invoke "infallibility," bishops are obligated to enforce his encyclicals on the laity.

Which, again, we can either take or leave. I left.

James
February 2, 2008 1:11 AM

Scott & Fr. Deacon-- thanks for the clarification.

Cleveland
February 2, 2008 4:17 AM

"Perhaps we need a little more of the heritage of Lord Acton."

You remind me of those miserable women who kick a guy out of the house, are dismayed to find that they can't be happy without him, so spend the rest of their lives bad mouthing him to cover up.

You made your bed, lie in it. Slammng my Church in every other comment really gets old.

sass
February 2, 2008 8:36 AM

Joseph, the version of St. John Chrysostom's quote I'm familiar with is:
'The road to Hell is paved with the bones of priests and monks, and the skulls of bishops are the lamp posts that light the path.'

While the Catholic clergy sex abuse scandal seems to be slowly creeping down the descending side of the slope, you'll eventually see that this is merely the early part of the exposure of similar predation, networking, enabling, by-standing and cover-ups for the 'good' of the Orthodox Church (not just the OCA). It's a smaller scale of atrocities for a smaller church, but the body count is just as painful for the Orthodox victims and their families. Just ask the mom's at www.pokrov.org - Cappy Larson and Melanie Jula Sakoda.

another disgusted OCA'er...


Rod Dreher
February 2, 2008 9:44 AM

Larry, I think you misunderstand Catholic ecclesiology. There is a difference between infallibility and authority. It's normal for Catholics to recognize papal authority. In fact, one of the things orthodox Catholics have to suffer in this country today is that the bishops typically don't follow the pope's lead. In Catholicism, it's not the Pope who is "infallible" in matters of morals (and faith); it's the Roman Catholic Church, by whose authority the Pope teaches. Benedict couldn't come out tomorrow and issue a teaching contrary to what the Church teaches today; he doesn't have that authority.

Cleveland, I think your remark is unfair. As a Catholic once, and now as an Orthodox deeply sympathetic to Catholicism, I think it's inarguably true that power has corrupted the judgment of many Catholic bishops (as well as Orthodox bishops). The answer isn't, or isn't necessarily to deny them the power that is rightly theirs under our systems of ecclesiology. The answer is repentance for the bishops we have, and a better class of bishops in the future. The problem is, though, whether you're talking about bishops, or parish priests (or, among the Protestants, a church pastor), men who hold positions of religious authority will always have an extraordinary amount of power. It must be used wisely. I think Sig was just making the point that bishops don't cease to be human beings when they become bishops, and we shouldn't tell ourselves that the office makes them immune to the temptations of power.

Harry Coin
February 2, 2008 10:07 AM

I encourage concerned to look into why this decade for the revelations of a homosexual preponderance among never married clergy and abuse disproportionately toward young teen boys. Why not 1960, or 1970 or 1980, the time when many of the deeds exposed today occurred?

Because the generation before the increase in all these events a thing never before seen in human history happened: The population of men interested in advancement in the priesthood whose wives died before their own retirement age became, statistically, zero. The discoveries that made the Cesearian operation safe for the mother (antiseptics, antibiotics, anesthetics) all were well in place only in 1945 or so.

The church's rule that barred presently married men from advancement in church rank made sense when there was a population of widowers whose proven stability and wisdom could bring depth and connection to church decisions. Times change leading to our present problems -- church leadership from a too narrow pool of clergy candidates whose understandable interest in personal security and intense focus on personal life situation makes them as incapable of saving their institution as a train is incapable of travelling across an ocean. The metaphorical necessary mental perspective or equipment to accomplish the job just isn't there in numbers able to change synodal decision making given such members of such synods.

Back in the day the state was involved with the church, the state at some level would, when church misdoing was reported, as it were, 'create vacancies' for the church to then fill with better replacements. (Boats up the Crimea, etc.)

The only realistic corrective course available is a change to the US law allowing a supermajority of local memberships deemed to be financially responsible for the creation of this or that church facitilty to be enabled to depart heirarchical churches -- with title to the properties and contents -- to join with whomsoever they deem wise. This would free those among the senior clergy who are presently outvoted by sinacure craving self-focused persons to lead the institution to a future other than dwindlement, secrets and more of the present problem once media attention moves on.


sigaliris
February 2, 2008 10:17 AM

Thank you, Rod. I appreciate that clarification, and you read my quote better than Cleveland. Maybe I assumed too much in thinking that everyone would know that Lord Acton was a faithful Catholic who very much loved the Church and remained in it to the end of his life, though he was much distressed by the behavior of its leaders. That's why I let him speak for me. It was not meant as a "slam" against the Church, but as an earnest plea for metanoia. It grieves me very much to think that all that was good in the Church is lost to me, and it grieves me yet more to wonder if it may be lost for millions due to the short-sighted and self-seeking actions of a few men who don't understand that they are the custodians of a treasure, not its owners and rulers.

Cleveland, lucky for me I have no idea what you're talking about, due to my long and happy marriage. And the (few) "exes" I have stayed friends, and are rather fond of me, so there would be no reason for bad-mouthing on either side. But I'll take your word for it that this would be an unpleasant situation. ; )

Anonymous
February 2, 2008 11:30 AM

I hope that this generation of parents will raise a generation of Christian children who will grow up with strong principles that will prevent their falling into those things we now see and suffer from seeing.

Mary H.

Larry Parker
February 2, 2008 3:32 PM

I think I did make a distinction between papal authority and papal infallibility, but regardless, I do understand your point of view that American bishops are not conservative enough to be faithful to Church doctrine. (Though ones like Archbishop Myers in my own Newark, New Jersey and certainly Archbishop Burke in St. Louis, are pretty darn fire and brimstone as far as I can tell.)

I think it's an open question, sadly on both ends, whether the American bishops properly implemented Vatican instructions/discipline (to the extent it existed) on the child abuse scandal.

Cleveland
February 2, 2008 5:00 PM

Sig, I am not surprised that you would support Acton (a wrong-headed, I-know-better-than-Rome-and-the-Counsel-type) , or that you would support Rod's completely wrong interpretation of my comment (you know me better than Rod, my friend). What's even more unfair is your attempt to turn my comment into an attack on your marriage. Not a very nice thing to do, sig, and so transparent.

As to your "Call To Action"-type hero Acton, here is just a sliver of what the Catholic Encyclopedia has to say about him: "The publication of the 'Syllabus' by Pius IX in 1864 tended to alienate Acton still further from Ultramontane counsels."

Rod, my comment regarding sig's support of Acton wasn't unfair to sig. First, I agree 100% with what you said: "I think it's inarguably true that power has corrupted the judgment of many Catholic bishops (as well as Orthodox bishops)." After all my time and comments on this board upholding that obvious fact and discussing it with you, how or why you think I could ever dispute it is beyond me. Of course power corrupts, but Acton's belief was that Christ's all-empowering words to St. Peter (Matthew 16:19), if taken literally, would corrupt St. Peter absolutely. You may think that, too, for all I know (you were never clear about it), but I take it from sig as just another sigism against my Church--which she has an absolute right to do. And I have a right, fairly, to call her on it.

My comment to sig was that she never tires of slamming the Church by implying , strongly, that the Church left poor little her, who had just been minding her own business being a good Catholic. That is as absurd as it is common for people who have left the Church. Listen to her confirm what I am telling you:
"It was not meant as a 'slam' against the Church, but as an earnest plea for metanoia. It grieves me very much to think that all that was good in the Church is lost to me, and it grieves me yet more to wonder if it may be lost for millions due to the short-sighted and self-seeking actions of a few men...." ARGHHHHHH!

I say again: sig left the Church and now uses the corruption of some arrogant jerks with Roman collars to badmouth the Church for leaving her.

And, Rod, you may want to take another look at what you told Larry: "In Catholicism, it's not the Pope who is 'infallible' in matters of morals (and faith); it's the Roman Catholic Church, by whose authority the Pope teaches." In Catholicism, the Pope doesn't need any consent from the "Church" to declare an infallible teaching. He does not teach by the authority of the Church. See Denzinger 3074, and the Catechism, 882 and 883. If you meant that he never has had to act in a vacume when teaching infallibly, you would be correct.

sigaliris
February 2, 2008 7:41 PM

Ah, Cleveland. . . . I am sorry that you don't like Lord Acton. I am sorry that I get on your nerves so badly. You know, you might want to consider the thought that a statement that begins "You remind me of miserable person X who does terrible thing Y . . ." is unlikely to conclude in a spirit of Christian charity. Perhaps you should try to think of me as a cross that God wants you to bear, and just say a rosary for me when you feel tempted to scream in agony. ; )

Other than that, it's not supposed to be all about me, is it? So no further defense here. The last thing I want to do is disturb your faith. I hope Benedict XVI lives up to all your hopes and makes you very happy.

Cleveland
February 2, 2008 8:51 PM

I love you, too, sig; I do pray for you. And no kidding around, I really am envious of the effort you put into issues involving the Church, even if they tend to be issues liberals find appealing.

See you the next time your interpretation of things Catholic becomes unbearable for me :)

MAtt
February 3, 2008 2:26 AM

I think "open revolt" might be too strong of a phrase. I think "public admonishment" might be better.

Cleveland
February 3, 2008 3:56 PM

"I think it's an open question, sadly on both ends, whether the American bishops properly implemented Vatican instructions/discipline (to the extent it existed) on the child abuse scandal." Larry Parker

Larry, did those words really come from you? That is so pleasantly surprising that it will force a rethinking of my view of the value of a Georgetown education. Why have you been hiding your light under a basket?

Max Schadenfreude
February 4, 2008 2:15 AM

"I hope Benedict XVI lives up to all your hopes and makes you very happy."

He's doing okay by me (so far).

AWC
February 5, 2008 9:49 AM

Too much to respond to, so shall comment about "readers" only. The posters who believe that a tonsured reader possesses nothing more than a "union card" to chant during sacred services are, flatly, wrong. A man (or older male teen) may be granted permission to "read", without receiving the tonsure. Mr. Dreher's parish has several such non-tonsured readers, as well as tonsured readers. The tonsure IS the reception of a man into the lower orders of the Orthodox clergy. As stated openly during the service, the reader HAS ascended to the lowest step, which may lead to the priesthood. (The comparison with baptism does not hold up.) Neither the reader nor the subdeacon have received the grace nor the authority inherent to the higher orders of the clergy, but one should not denigrate the holiness of the tonsure on that basis. The tonsuring in Alaska WAS a travesty and scandal.

annie
March 17, 2008 12:54 PM

I learned a long time ago to not judge the Church by its sinners but to judge Her by her saints. Blessed are those who are not scandalized in Me.

Fr. Peter
June 2, 2008 2:47 AM

Last posting I see is March 17; perhaps all has already been said that needs said. At the heart of the Gospel is the call to repentance to all, within the Church and those yet outside the Church. This repentance must be an ongoing, moment-by-moment exercise in all of our lives, not just something done one moment in time. Bishops, priest, deacons, subdeacons, readers, seminarians, faithful men, women, children are all called to cultivate repentance - Lord,Jesus Christ, Son of God, be merciful to me a sinner. As concerns the institutional reality of the Church, repentance must have at its foundation and throughout transparency, accountability, conciliarity. Nothing which is undertaken in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ can be concealed as it were in a dark room. Each "Order" of the Church has its appropriate function and that function must be exercised before the whole Church. As a priest, I must be accountable in Holy Confession as frequently if not more so than my faithful. As a priest, no money passes through my hands for "services" rendered (i.e. treby). All finances coming into the parish treasurer is reported to all the faithful down to the last penny. Though as father of the community I must oftentime make the "final" decision (understanding I am under the authority of Jesus Christ and my bishop), no "final" decision is undertaken without the appropriate discussion with the faithful. I know in the OCA we inherited some of our "way of doing business" from the Russian Orthodox Church. The ROC is dear to me and fostered within my grandparents a vibrant spirituality and love for God which I can only hope will some day blossom in me. However, let's face it. Russia has a history of civil leadership exemplified by autocracy. Russians love, desire a strong leader; someone to lead them as head of the household. In the Russian home, by and large, the father's word is the final word; even if he's wrong, he is to be respected. Now, Orthodoxy is striving to respond to America. We are a unique people; for anyone to insist that the Orthodox Church on the North American continent will thrive with a Church structure characterized as autocratic will be terribly disappointed. Repentance, transparency, accountability, conciliarity (clergy and faithful together) and above all love expressed in humility must characterize the Orthodox Church in North America. Though we have a distance yet to travel, I see these virtues taking root and beginning to bear fruit. In the Divine Liturgy, as the priest approaches the Body and Blood of Christ, he prays, "the precious Body of our Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ is given to me, the unworthy priest, Peter, for the remission of sins and life everlasting. Amen. The priest however when ministering the Eucharist to the faithful does not refer to them as unworthy servants. As clergy, we must always remember this and be reminded that ours will be a stricter judgment; for to whom much is given, much is required. Pray for me a sinner.

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