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Christian Ramadan alert

Tuesday February 26, 2008

Categories: Dhimmitude
Remember how the Dutch Catholic church has taken to explaining a basic Christian tradition to its young in terms of Islam? That kind of thing has surfaced in France. Twenty years from now, Charles Martel will be a villain....
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forestwalker
February 27, 2008 12:10 AM

For those who didn't read past the first paragraph of the above linked Telegraph article the first time Rod referenced it, it should be clarified that it's not the Dutch Catholic church which has taken to explaining Christian Lent in terms of Ramadan but one particular Dutch Catholic charity called Vastenaktie.

AlHaj
February 27, 2008 12:41 AM

The faith of Christianity is very much to be appreciated. One part of it's population condemned Islam, the other part referred to it as a source to freshen itself. In term of originality, where can one find it in Christianity.

Culturally,the Jewish Christianity as preached by the apostle Peter and James the brother of Jesus is different form Gentile Christianity as preached by Paul. The Gentile world preferred the version of Paul as the Iranian prefers the Persian version of Islam.

Which ritual in Christianity is divinely revealed or if not church-made. Paul had done away with many of it (the Jewish version). Ritual that is not divinely-revealed is hard to sustain.

meh
February 27, 2008 4:02 AM

"Twenty years from now, Charles Martel will be a villain."

Stop!...Hammer time!

Rod Dreher
February 27, 2008 8:42 AM

Forestwalker, Vastenaktie is an official charity of the Dutch Catholic church. It weans "Fast Action" -- "fast" in the sense of abstaining from food. This decision was not made independent of the bishops.

Joel
February 27, 2008 8:47 AM

Two words here: Christmas. Tree.

The Christian church has a looooong history of adapting and appropriating the symbols and dates (you think Christ was born on December 25?) of other cultures and religions for its own purposes. This is just more of the same.

rombald
February 27, 2008 9:10 AM

It's not like me to go soft on dhimmmis (LOL), but:

"Dagobert, ... A contemporary of Mohammed, Dagobert was King of the Franks from 629 to 639."

A lesser-known historical figure is placed in relation to a better-known figure. What's the objection?

"In the Bible we find the story of the Angel Gabriel, the very one who would bring the Koran to Mohammed, who announces to Mary, a young girl engaged to Joseph, that she will soon give birth to a son named Jesus."

Both parts need changing:
"... the very one who is said to have brought the Koran to Mohammed, is said to have announced to Mary ..."

anonxian
February 27, 2008 9:36 AM

Dagobert? Or Dogbert?
www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/news_and_history/html/dogbert_origin_strips.html

Roland de Chanson
February 27, 2008 9:38 AM

From Marathon to the Metaurus to Tours the Europe had fought to preserve its Greek, then Roman, then Christian civilization. Each successive layer nourished those that followed. Though Tours checked the onslaught of Mohammedan imperialism in Europe, it did not sound its death knell. Another beachhead was yet to be taken in the Balkans and Constantinople.

Throughout Europe now the campaniles' peal grows stiller, the muezzins' shriek yet shriller. Minarets are rising, steeples crumbling. As Hagia Sophia, so Notre Dame de Paris. The Hammer has been let fall.

Hannibal intra portas.

Christine
February 27, 2008 9:58 AM

I can't wait to see how they're going to spin Charlemagne.

aaron
February 27, 2008 10:17 AM

::Two words here: Christmas. Tree.

The Christian church has a looooong history of adapting and appropriating the symbols and dates (you think Christ was born on December 25?) of other cultures and religions for its own purposes. This is just more of the same.::

Not quite. Having to explain the tenets of the native religion that has been there for nearly two millenia in terms of an alien religion shows a failure of history and culture. This is vastly different than assimilating another cultures practices and rebrandishing them as yours while you evangelize and demographically take over...

astorian
February 27, 2008 4:49 PM

I'm more concerned about increasing regularity with which I'm seeing secular publications add a parenthetical "peace be upon him" after mentions of the prophet Muhammad.


rombald
February 28, 2008 1:32 AM

"I'm more concerned about increasing regularity with which I'm seeing secular publications add a parenthetical "peace be upon him" after mentions of the prophet Muhammad."

Yes, I think that kind of thing is more objectionable. I even find reference to "the Prophet Mohammed" offensive - who says he was a prophet?

I thought this example was really poor. I certainly think it is a good idea to place an obscure French king with reference to Mohammed - people 1,000 years from now may place people by reference to Hitler.

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