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God hates men who pee sitting down

Friday February 22, 2008

Categories: Not the Onion
No, really, a preacher says so: What's wrong with the world is men who sit down to urinate. Sit back and watch 4 1/2 minutes of sublimely weird preaching (thank you Mark Shea, you ignorant slut, and also your Knights...
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Kevin Divine
February 22, 2008 10:36 PM

My ten-year-old nephew is in trouble then. Can't hit the broad side of a barn standing up, or only if the barn is to the left and back a bit.

Don Altabello
February 22, 2008 10:52 PM

What if I have to pee while sitting down to take a dump? Does this mean that men should take a dump standing up, or do I just need to hold it in?

Mike D
February 22, 2008 11:11 PM

Clearly, the Bible is saying that God will not destroy German men.

Steve
February 22, 2008 11:19 PM

I was inspired by this. I went and pissed on the wall. The cats were confused and my wife will kill me in the morning but I will die knowing what its like to be a real man.

Steve

Baton Rouge Reader
February 22, 2008 11:21 PM

Could we get this entered as a topic in the next CNN Presidential debate?

Mark Shea
February 22, 2008 11:23 PM

I'm just grateful to the good pastor because he explains things so clearly. None of that complicated Romanist theology. Just good old exposition of the crystal clear word of God.

tina
February 22, 2008 11:23 PM

i thought that God dose not hate anyone her get angry but doesnt hate

Mark Shea
February 22, 2008 11:25 PM

I'm just grateful to the good pastor because he explains things so clearly. None of that complicated Romanist theology. Just good old exposition of the crystal clear word of God.

Francis Beckwith
February 22, 2008 11:27 PM

This explains why Larry Flynt pees sitting down. :-) Brilliant!

General Specific
February 22, 2008 11:44 PM

This has got to be one of the stupidest points I've ever seen someone make.

Interestingly enough, men who come into your house and piss standing up into your toilet are sending a splattering spray of urine all over the walls and floors.

Erin Manning
February 22, 2008 11:51 PM

Actually, General Specific, humor columnist Dave Barry once wrote a column in which he interviewed a microbiologist who said that at every flush of the toilet, microscopic beads of moisture can spray which can then splatter on anything in, if I recall correctly, within six feet of the toilet. So men who stand aren't doing much worse than women who flush in terms of germ dispersal.

(This microbiologist also said the only way to get a toilet REALLY clean was to set it on fire, leading to one of the cooler pyrotechnic-experiment reports in the Barry columns, though the pop-tart came close.)

Eric W
February 22, 2008 11:51 PM

Interestingly enough, men who come into your house and piss standing up into your toilet are sending a splattering spray of urine all over the walls and floors.

Not only that, but if you have ever done the same when you were naked, you found out that you were splattering a bit on your own legs - a fact you don't notice when you are wearing pants. In other words, if you pee standing up, you partly pee on yourself. Yucch!

The Watcher
February 23, 2008 12:17 AM

Wash your mind out with this... Here's someone to look up to and someone to admire.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12152446/from/RS.1/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Doss

http://www.msaa.org/members/html/archives/a_salute_to_the_unlikeliest_hero.htm

Here's one of the few men who were real men, and I considered and still do, of the few I can call a "hero". I've had the honor of meeting him and shaking his hand. He dedicated much of his post-war life to serving youth in his church. He continued to do so even when he was weak and not far from death.

rebeccat
February 23, 2008 12:56 AM

Erin, a couple of years ago I saw something on TV which used backlighting to show the spray which comes out of the toilet when you flush it. I have been fanatical about lowering the lid before flushing ever since. I also keep the toothbrushes in a drawer and won't drink out of a glass left on the counter in the bathroom. Obviously, toilet spray isn't actually that harmful or we'd be living with terrible epidemics. But the idea of it was enough to make me a bit neurotic about it.

Anita
February 23, 2008 1:33 AM

sheesh he's being ridiculous

Charles Cosimano
February 23, 2008 3:07 AM

Of the making of idiots there is no end.

Grumpy Old Man
February 23, 2008 6:52 AM

Combine Sola Scriptura with free enterprise interpretation and you can get almost anything.

What's the theology of p***ing up a rope?

Casey T
February 23, 2008 7:30 AM

LOL!!! I can't believe this has moved around Youtube so quickly! Two people in two different parts of the country sent this to me last week. Sadly, I think it's real.

Reader John
February 23, 2008 7:37 AM

It was gratifying to see that he was preaching in a space notably smaller than the closets on HGTV and that he assumed he had already offended his auditors. (You can always tell the authentic preachers: they tell people what they don't want to hear.)
Do you suppose this is Chris Crocker with a haircut, moving on from his YouTube "Leave Britney Alone!" schtick?

harvey lacey
February 23, 2008 8:28 AM

I'm not sure about Mark's intelligence or alleged lack thereof, much less the credibility of the allegations of his sexual promsicuity. But I do agree he's got a nose for news.

Denominations have been founded on fewer scriptures and less logical assumptions.

Rod Dreher
February 23, 2008 10:01 AM

Bear Grylls once drank his own pee on "Man vs. Wild." I think he's the Antichrist.

Rebeccat, thanks, I guess, for that bathroom hygiene update. You just inspired an abrupt and forceful rule-change in our household.

Anonymous
February 23, 2008 10:08 AM

You could flush with acetone but the explosion would flatten your house.

Jim
February 23, 2008 10:56 AM

A friendly reminder that allergies may result from too hygenic an environment! Maybe toilet vapors make it possible for us to enjoy peanut butter -- I'm just sayin'

dhoff
February 23, 2008 11:08 AM

I don't understand this pee pee theology. If God does not want man to pee against a wall, and I don't see how you can pee against a wall without standing up, then God must want man to pee sitting down. No?

Irenaeus
February 23, 2008 11:30 AM

dhoff, you've nailed it. It simply makes no sense. It's an opportunity for a KJV-only-er to rant.

Scott Walker
February 23, 2008 11:35 AM

Is this what Garrison Keillor has in mind when he accuses the Sanctified Brethren elders of BSiffication and Pissery? Any man who wears shorts in warm weather knows the horrors of leg splashback.

Richard Barrett
February 23, 2008 12:44 PM

For anybody questioning the rendering of the word "pisseth" -- the Septuagint says, "ourounta pros toichon". The verb "oureo" is rendered oh-so-properly in the Liddell-Scott Greek-English Lexicon as "make water", "pros" plus an accusative here is an accusative "of goal, aiming at" (BDAG Greek-English Lexicon, entry 3.B.c for "pros"), and a "toichos" is indeed a wall of a house or a courtyard. "Pisseth against a wall" indeed seems to be a legitimate rendering.

That said, you can't parody this. It does a good enough job on its own.

Richard

Richard Barrett
February 23, 2008 1:17 PM

Sorry, that should be entry 3.c for "pros", not 3.B.c. Apologies.

John E.
February 23, 2008 1:39 PM

And to think that this fellow attracts enough followers (and their money) to make a living at this...

Just Some Guy
February 23, 2008 2:09 PM

My, oh my, but this is the best thing I've seen all week. The Crunchy Con Blog: You'll come for the incisive cultural commentary, you'll stay for the hilarious video outtakes.

That said, watching this did make me run to my Bible and track down those references. Admittedly, I'm using the NIV (whose, editors, apparently, pee sitting down -- just goes to show you learn something new everyday), but in almost every instance, it looks like the phrase is translated something like "every last man, slave and free." So, does anyone know if this wall-pissing business is another way of saying that, no matter his social standing, everyone puts his pants on one leg at a time, so to speak?

And Grumpy Old Man, this feels to me less a Sola Scriptura problem and more a problem of Fundamentalist insistence on biblical literalism run amok.

allen
February 23, 2008 2:17 PM

In the background, I hear a woman giggling and a man who says "Amen" towards the end, and there's a touch of an echo that indicates the room he's in is mostly empty. Not much of a congregation. I have the distinct impression this was a joke.

Or maybe I'm desperate for this not to be real because otherwise I have to start re-examining the voluntary human extinction folks. A species that produces that individual is a species Nature's painting a large bullseye on.

Richard Barrett
February 23, 2008 2:21 PM

JSG: That seems to be a fairly reasonable interpretation. Another one is that we're specifically talking about grown men.

Richard

Richard Barrett
February 23, 2008 2:26 PM

And no, it's not a joke.

http://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/

http://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/biblecollege.html

Richard

allen
February 23, 2008 2:32 PM

Oh dear.

Lord, forgive us, for we know not that we are ridiculous.

Irenaeus
February 23, 2008 5:37 PM

JSG: Here's the verses and the Hebrew behind them.

sinsonte
February 23, 2008 6:14 PM

Somewhere in this is a Larry Craig joke

Beauss
February 23, 2008 6:54 PM

Checking out Richard Barrett's links, among this guy's sermon titles are "Why Billy Graham Is Going To Hell," "Don't Go Back To School," and "God's View Of Immigration." (Apparently I missed that part of the Bible.) Welcome to the strange and wonderful world of fundamentalist Independent Baptists.

doug
February 23, 2008 8:41 PM

This is one of those times when I want to grab the guy by the lapels, shake the s$*^ out of him, and tell him to STAY OFF MY SIDE!

On another note, and at the risk of violating the TMI rule, now that I'm in my 40's it sure would be nice to just pull up a chair and take a load off while I wait. Benign Prostatic Hypertrophy, anyone?

John E.
February 23, 2008 9:16 PM

Looks like God hates male gynecologists:

http : // faithfulwordbaptist . org/gynecologists.html

What's Wrong with Male Gynecologists?

by Pastor Steven L Anderson, 2006

1. Is nudity before the opposite gender a sin?
2. Are male obstetricians or gynecologists condoned in the Bible?
3. Are male gynecologists professionals or perverts?


He's also down on television for shows that feature 'alternative lifestyles' like ... The Andy Griffith Show and the Brady Bunch

http : //faithfulwordbaptist . org/Television.html


4. Alternative lifestyles

From the beginning, the producers of television have had an agenda. Even in the most “harmless” of shows, alternative lifestyles are being promoted. Consider, for example, “The Andy Griffith Show.” The show centers around a single parent who lives with his aunt. Admittedly, his wife supposedly died, and he is not divorced. However, we are still being desensitized to the idea of a single parent which is neither the norm nor God’s plan. The show also features a character, Gomer Pile, who is played by a man who is a homosexual in real life.

Consider the show “The Odd Couple” from the 1960’s. Aside from sinful content, we are being exposed to an alternative lifestyle of two men living together as roommates. Genesis 2:24 tells us God’s normal plan, “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.” Although neither man in the show is a homosexual, this show was obviously a forerunner of the sitcoms of today which feature homosexual characters.

Consider “The Brady Bunch.” The show is about a widowed man and a widowed woman who have three children each. Now they are married and have six children collectively. This is an extremely rare scenario but mirrors the very common scenario of divorce and remarriage. We are subliminally being exposed to the idea of stepparents and stepchildren which is far more common in divorced situations than in the rare circumstance of young widows.

You can't make this stuff up.

Oh yeah, pants on women are sinful:

>>
As independent Baptists we believe in gender specific clothing, that is, pants on men, and skirts and dresses on women. In that case, why would we watch television programming filled with women in masculine or unisex clothing? Would we watch television programs that include men in dresses if Jesus Christ were sitting beside us?
>>

Looks like God hates Scotsmen also.

John E.
February 23, 2008 9:26 PM

One wonders what the backstory is...

>>>>>>
http : //www.faithfulwordbaptist . org/page2.html

Pastor Anderson holds no college degree but has well over 100 chapters of the Bible committed to memory, including almost half of the New Testament.

Originally from Sacramento, CA, he was sent out to start a church in the Phoenix Area by Regency Baptist Church, of which he was a member at that time. On November 12, 2005, Pastor Stephen Ray Nichols counselled Steven Anderson in his office to start a church in Phoenix, Arizona. The next day, on November 13, 2005, Pastor Nichols called him up on the platform of Regency Baptist Church in the Sunday morning service and had the church pray for Brother Anderson as he would be going out to start this new church. Faithful Word Baptist Church began 6 weeks later as an independent, autonomous Baptist church.
>>>>

Francis Beckwith
February 23, 2008 10:13 PM

This guy is a different kind of snake handler. :-)

Steve
February 23, 2008 10:21 PM

This (as described above) is what I grew up with in the 50's and 60's in an independent Baptist church. No going to movies of any kind, no playing cards, women at the pulpit only to sing, women werent supposed to cut their hair (this was being ignored by the time I was in high school), rock and roll was the devil's music, interracial marriage was a sin.

There was more but dont remember any peeing rules.

Steve

Max Schadenfreude
February 24, 2008 6:21 AM

I'm going to miss my smokin' hot female urologist, and this just when things started "crackin". I met her at City Church too. Life ain't fair.

watsy
February 24, 2008 5:59 PM

I love the lady in the background who keeps laughing.

My husband and I were once visiting a couple with whom we're friends. She told us that her husband(who's sitting right in front of us)was upset with her because they went to a party with people from his work a week or two ago, and she told a bunch of his colleagues that he always sat down to pee. My husband and I didn't really know how to respond. She didn't seem to get that she had violated his trust AGAIN by telling us about his BR habits.

I always thought that real men stood to pee. I'm glad to hear that God agrees with that & it's in the Bible.

JB
February 25, 2008 10:27 AM

What a moron. It's guys like this that give Jesus a bad name. I thought I had a pretty conservative view of scripture, but this guy makes me look like a flamin' liberal.

If he's going to be this literal in his translation, then we shouldn't be urinating in toilets at all. We should be going on the walls of our houses.

Of course, even a broken clock can be right twice a day. He is right about the feminization of men in Western society. I was in Europe this summer and saw men wearing capri pants. That's just wrong.

Just Some Guy
February 25, 2008 10:34 AM

"The editors of the NIV pee sitting down": Man, I'm going to be chuckling at that all week -- my new favorite insult.

John E.
February 25, 2008 10:34 AM

If I recall correctly, Gabriel García Márquez used the metaphor of the progression from a young virile man standing to the older man he became sitting to good effect in 'El amor en los tiempos del cólera'.

recovering ex-Pentecostal
February 25, 2008 5:12 PM

I notice a focus on this "pastor's" interpretation (odd) but not so much on his selection of sermon material. He's selective at best, but methinks it's a spoof, folks.

I found it odd that - at the end - he exhorts people that don't like the words "he that pisseth against the wall" that appear (SIX TIMES IN THE BIBLE, folks, SIX TIMES, so it MUST be a legitimate religious belief/tenet/dogma) in the KJV (the QJV, actually, - ed.), then they can just go out and buy a NEW King James Version - 'cuz they've been taken out, as have many other not-so-nice words. What a concept - Bible A differs from Bible B. Wonder who thoughtta that, eh?

Then he lists a slew (slough?) of other versions, all with differing words. Yet he fails to inform us - which version is the "correct" version? Correctest? Kinda puts the "because the Bible says it's a SIN" crowd in a not-so-positive light, imnsho.

Now, the question is, will he address the sinfulness of a man having a female - oops, make that a "woman" - doctor once he's done with castigating men from, ahem, 'allowing' their wives to have a male gynecologist? (Shouldn't that be a "man gynecologist"?)

Gosh, this is turning out to be so much fun. Thanx 4 posting it Rod. You prove our points unwittingly at times, methinks.

Matt
February 29, 2008 2:54 PM

After being thoroughly convinced that God has called men to pee standing up, I am now experiencing some anxiety: what is the Godly way to take a shit? Should I pee standing up first, then sit on the toilet like usual, or should I try to shit standing up (or at least squatting) too? Or does God make an exception when you need to do both at the same time?

I'd sure hate to go to hell over this one, and I'd have to say that millenia of scripture scholarship (since long before Christ) has failed us by not providing an answer to this burning question. Of course, maybe we can excuse those poor impoverished Christians and Jews who had to make do with reading the Scriptures in the original languages before the King James Version (ie the one true and infallible, direct-from-heaven Word of God) came along, but I don't think that ignorance of the truth can be an excuse for defying the natural order God has so plainly set before us. In fact, I'd say that this has affirmed in my mind that scholarship and training and education are of the Devil. If an uneducated preacher can recognize this salvation truth which has eluded the "blinded, wise" theologians so long, I say BURN THE SEMINARIES!!

From now on, I'm peeing standing up!

Matt
February 29, 2008 2:57 PM

Update: My ethical bathroom dilemma has multiplied!

After meditating on the scripture day and night, I've come to realize that, enlightened though he is, this particular pastor is still in error, and therefore he is going to hell. He talks about peeing standing up, but this is a mistake. These days, men can stand up to pee into a toilet, or sit down, but back in Bible times, there was no such thing. Men would literally PISS AGAINST THE WALL!

If you read the scripture literally (and we should ALWAYS read literally!), it's clearly telling us that God is saying that, in order to be a real MAN in God's eyes, we need to piss--not into a toilet, but literally against the wall. Of course sitting down isn't manly, but that teaching doesn't go far enough. Some people might say that the urinal is a holy invention, conceived to allow a man to stay pure and ensure his place in heaven, by giving him a place to pee while standing. However, the Bible literally tells us that pissing into ANY receptacle is not manly. We are supposed to pee against the wall!!!

Also, if you're outdoors, or in the wilderness, you have to hold it, because if you don't have a wall to pee on, you can't be a man. Pissing in the bushes doesn't cut it, my friends.

From now on, I'm peeing against the wall, and you can be sure I'll stand up to do it!

Rus
April 15, 2008 5:40 AM

Transgender and transsexual people have always had trouble with the definition of male and female: is it in the genes? in the hormones? in the visible genital organs? in the mind? NO! says Shea, it's in how one pees. Thanks for clearing that up. That will save a lot of transsexuals a lot of money.

Mike
August 8, 2008 4:05 PM

The King James Bible was translated by Sir Fancis Bacon. Bacon, aside from being a Mason was part of the Rosicruican movement. Bacon used his own occultic symbolism to 'decorate' the King James Bible. The King James Bible is also reported to be approximately 10% "lost in translation."

Ali
July 23, 2009 1:17 PM

What a matter you're discussing about, 'God's recommanding about ways of peeing'! So let me tell you some thing then, not bad if you know that in my culture the male people avoid peeing while standing! In my country it's so, as my religion has recommended not to pee while standing, and to do it while sitting or squatting. I know there, they teach the kid when he can stand up, how to pee while standing, but it's not so here. However, I am male and quite healthy, but I don't pee while standing. You should consider that there are many different ways around the world.

Why stand to pee? Why aim? Aiming is for the time when you are distant to your target and can't be close to it, but when you can be close to it, and if you are sane, you prefer being close to your target than aiming to the target, so sit down and be relaxed. One of the names of the place you are doing that in, is rest room! Human body needs resting once in a while and it is better to rest the times we don't do any special task that needs a focus of mind and energy. Peeing is not a job necessarily needs mind and energy, but still we can do it with using mind and energy (aiming and standing). I said when a work can be done without mind and energy too, it is better we save our mind power and energy for those really need them, and rest instead. (Not with one time of peeing, but with many times of peeing it will be something noticeable). And why you waste your time and energy in cleaning bathrooms? You can save it for more useful affairs by reducing the need of bathroom to be cleaned! Urine is sterile when it comes out of a healthy body, but as soon as it enters the outside milieu, the infections will start to appear in it as the time goes, since it is a good circumference for growing septic. And not only if the pee leaks other places it makes dirty, even if the pee is directed into the right place, when standing, its hitting the surface (of toilet water or inside the toilet) with more power and speed (because of the height) causes tiny drops spray in the area and sprinkles the places around, like the bathroom ground, and the clothes and shoes of the one is peeing, and also a lot of microscopic particles of pee will be diffused in the air, that can make pollution and dirty many things. Also when standing, because of the height, the pee flow meets much more air until it meets the surface, and therefore, its vapour will be made in the air (that's the pee smell) and it will be published in the air then. Of course one time of peeing standing can't make this kind of pollution, but with many times of peeing standing, the pollution of the place, air and the toilet seat will become noticeable, and then as a result it demands more times of cleaning which also wastes time and energy.

As for those who say "peeing while standing is much easier than doing it while sitting or squatting", I should say that bending over and pulling down pants, and keeping a part of panties down for a while and aim for a while both need an attempt; and the fact that which one is easier for a person depends on habit. The way in which one's habit is based on, is easier for that one, and to which you habit, it will be easier for you! And as for those who think "peeing while standing is of a few pleasures of a man!", I should say that a man is more valuable than way of peeing places as his pleasure and property! It does not fit a man to consider that as his worth! Men have more valuable special abilities to be mentioned! To my own, peeing while standing is a nasty action, also it does not feet a man's character, that's like you imagine a respectable man standing up still somewhere, his penis is hanging out and his pee line is in front of him, and then shaking the dong at the same position, it doesn't have a nice view. Specially, when a lot of urinals are in a public place in men's washroom, and a row of men have that view together, it's also nasty. I think in men's room, urinals should be in partitions having doors, like the toilets. So I meant its action is nasty. And a nasty action doesn't feet human's character, not only men's. Who made the rule that males MUST stand up while urinating? And don't link it to the nature, potentially many things are natural as an ability; one can bring out a gun, aim and kill, but he has choosing power, although he has the ability, but he may not do it if he is sane; one can just bring it out, aim and pee, but does it mean he can not do it in other ways? Being able to do some thing, doesn't allow doing it anytime and anywhere! You can easily imagine what happens if you use some of your abilities in wrong times or places! So when one can do some thing, s/he rationally has to do it the right time and right place. Now the question is "what's the right use of peeing standing up?" As God has made the ability of peeing while standing easily in guys, it must have an advantage, and yes it has. In men's jobs some times urgent situations happen, and some times they have to do some thing in a short time when the speed is important, and some times men have situations that they can't sit or squat or are in places where sitting or squatting is not easily possible; in such times they can use their ability of peeing while standing easily. But these urgent times just some times happen, not always! Peeing standing is an ability for both men and women of which the right use is in emergency conditions where sitting is impossible or harmful. So both men and women should do stand and pee when it's really needed, and when not needed it is better they sit. So I think there should be a project for men to stop, or to say better, manage peeing while standing. One group are already doing that and their site is: http://www.mapsu.org/ . As I mentioned, there are some occasions when it's needed to pee standing up, then it happens for both men and women! So what should women do? So easy, they can instantly pee standing up using a small device, one is here: http://www.travelmateinfo.com/page002.html .

One problem people usually have is that some of them are afraid of being made fun by other people, I think one should follow anything s/he think it is right. Everyone has an opinion and it's respectful for him/her. And other people's behaviour shouldn't stop anyone having his/her own opinion, other people don't have the right to stop anyone doing anything according to his/her opinion. That's an affect of freedom, and if the freedom of thought exists somewhere, people shouldn't be afraid of how other people think about what they do. And if there's not, then there should be a 'change', if not, then one has to live how other people want, not how s/he wants! I think a rational person shouldn't be afraid of being the target of other peoples closed minds.

So as a conclusion, the best way is to teach your sons to sit as usual, and allow them to stand when needed, and then, you won't need to be in the trouble of teaching them aiming, because when standing is needed it's a situation like the toilet is dirty or there's urinal or there's an outside condition, and then no aiming is required. Anyways, I'm not going to impose this on you, still you can do anyhow you know better, I just brought some reasons why I asked you this although there are much more reasons I didn't mention them here. One more reason I can mention is if your son stands and pees and you have small daughter(s) too, his standing has some affects on his sisters. You know, to grown people it may be no matter what happens, but small children's souls and specially female soul are sensitive and even such things are great issues to them. Her sisters, when they find they can't easily stand and pee, they feel sad when they see their brother pees standing as usual. And small girls never show their sadness in such situations, they hide it from you but they deeply take affect from the matter, and you won't see her crying since she's hiding it. Of course not allowing her to watch her brother pee won't solve the problem, be sure your daughter knows it, you can ask her if you're doubting, remind that you can't follow your daughter everywhere all the time to see when she watches it and when she doesn't! Yes she has accepted the bodily functions but she hasn't accepted why her brother has too pee standing all the time when he can easily sit on the toilet and point down his dong, still if you don't believe you can ask her. Well, it was one of other reasons, and I think it will be great if the current way of peeing of guys in toilets and bathrooms, in the most parts of the world changes. I think if some of the issues like this become reformed, we'll have a better world.

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