Obama ad fails to lift up Suderman
Here's Peter Suderman, unimpressed by the Obama "Yes, We Can" ad, and for an interesting reason. He is impressed by Obama's intelligence, yes...: But there’s another side to Obama’s appeal, an emotional side that has less to do with intelligence...
I always felt he is trying to impress the Che Guevara T-shirt wearing crowd. He is running as the establishment "anti-establishment" candidate. The youth fails to see through the cheap slogans and that is the way it has always been.
Hmmm, I seem to remember a politician lionized by fellow Democrats from Obama's own Illinois who was vilified among the general electorate for being too intellectual ... the name Adlai Stevenson comes to mind ...
If you don't make emotional appeals in politics, you're dead. And that goes for candidates of both parties and any ideology.
I know this isn't your main point (or Peter's), but I get tired of hearing modern worship music described as "megachurch-friendly Christian pop, sugar-coated and sanitized, as bland as a t-shirt from the Gap," etc. It's not pseudo-inspiration to me. I used to look down on it, but after going through personal difficulties (and meeting with a mega-church that helped me through them) I received tremendous spiritual benefit from some contemporary worship songs. The old hymns I used to listen to had more "truth," but very little genuine inspiration.
Here's a couple of video examples. I know the main point of this post is Obama, but it's relevant because sometimes what seems shallow to one person can be full of profound meaning to another, not just on an emotional level but on a rational one (and even a spiritual one).
1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf44cMNfTkM
2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh0TC6Er92o
Not bland, but very beautiful.
It was a fabulous ad that will sway a lot of people who are not very interested in politics other than to dabble a bit when it suits them. Peter's right, there's nothing to it, but it's effective. Of course, there are also a lot of Obama supporters who have good reason to support him, but they alone could not elect him.
I disagree with Obama on a lot of important issues, although there is a lot to admire as well. But the ad made me want to vote for him, if for just a few seconds.
Why not think about how fun it will be for Obama and his baby-momma, who you looking at, gangsta rap, waaahhhzzz up, saggy-pants mob of angry lemmings and sexually degenerate bobble heads, to be introduced into reality, then when they are walking the halls of the White House, and seeing that the Americans that have brought them their safe and secure world, were almost exclusively White Christian men.
Reality is reality. For example, Obama will actually be more hated by Jihadist Muslims then Bush was. He will be seen is an apostate to Islam, will be seen as an American (no, no, seriously he will), and his worthless rhetoric will expose his valueless politics for what they are, even to misguided Mohammadens.
We can survive the unthinkable if Obama and Clinton were to rule America. One thing our youth knows a lot about is Bull---t and bad role models. Once disappointed by these two politicians, they will look around their same old neighborhoods and realize that they are the same old neighborhoods. Obama has already proved that, but lemmings rarely look up from their lot in life (and death).
Change? What a cruel hoax Obama and Clinton are playing on their ignorant and myopically educated followers.
I can't think of a better group of people that deserve it.
We who do not follow the people following them, can survive one-thousand, four-hundred and sixty-one days of either one of them.
Who do you think got through the sub-prime mortgage crisis?
There will always be a seperation of the wheat from the chaff. Just remember to not follow the Democrats onto the chaff pile.
I know this isn't your main point (or Peter's), but I get tired of hearing modern worship music described as "megachurch-friendly Christian pop, sugar-coated and sanitized, as bland as a t-shirt from the Gap," etc. It's not pseudo-inspiration to me. I used to look down on it, but after going through personal difficulties (and meeting with a mega-church that helped me through them) I received tremendous spiritual benefit from some contemporary worship songs. The old hymns I used to listen to had more "truth," but very little genuine inspiration.
Here's a couple of video examples. I know the main point of this post is Obama, but it's relevant because sometimes what seems shallow to one person can be full of profound meaning to another, not just on an emotional level but on a rational one (and even a spiritual one).
1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf44cMNfTkM
2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh0TC6Er92o
Not bland, but very beautiful.
It appears that Suderman is missing an essential point about the Yes We Can video... It was not produced or paid for by the Obama campaign. Will.I.Am., singer for the Black Eyed Peas, was inspired by the speech and put this together in a very short time with help from other celebrities who are supporters of Obama. So, folks can criticize Will.I.Am for the quality of his work, but to criticize the Obama campaign for the work of those inspired to show their support is pretty far off base. What I find remarkable is the rapidly growing influence of viral videos on the political game. Between this and the Obama Girl videos, it seems to be strong evidence for the groundswell of support for Obama and the enthusiasm behind his candidacy.
So, Suderman can complain that this is mushy, bland, psuedo-inspiration. Fine, that's what Obama inspired in a certain musician and Suderman can avoid buying Black Eyed Peas music. But it certainly is not hurting Obama's campaign in any way. The YouTube/MySpace/Facebook generation is the youth vote of today and Obama is the beneficiary of their eager support.
Yes, Obama's campaign has embraced the video, but if millions of people were watching a video supporting you and sharing it with millions more, you would too. I think it's pretty strong evidence that this is effective. Plus, it didn't cost Obama a dime!
Watch out Hillary....
I disagree with Obama on a lot of important issues, although there is a lot to admire as well. But the ad made me want to vote for him, if for just a few seconds.
Bingo -- and that's why it's a great ad. I think Suderman's analysis is correct, as far as it goes, but then, politicians who ran the kinds of ads that pleased intellectuals wouldn't get elected. The emotional thrust of the Obama campaign is more or less "Join Up With People and we'll all cross the New Frontier!" I think that's effective. Very effective. Selling politicians is mostly about manipulating emotions. Well, selling anything is.
Can anyone cite even one example of a political ad that isn't shallow?
Political ads are, by their nature shallow, but Suderman has a point. This ad does feel a little too City Church for my tastes. What's crackin'?
That shouldn't be a criticism of Obama as much a criticism of the electorate. We gobble up this emotional tripe until the plate is licked clean.
It seems to this Sargent-Shultz-when-it-comes-to-politics (i.e., "I know nothing") that Hillary may be walking a tightrope. If she attacks Barack for having rhetoric and flourish and style with no substance, and he gets the nomination, it will come back to bite the Dems in the butt at the election (assuming McCain has substance). If she attacks him too much, and she gets the nomination by tooth, nail, claw, and backroom politics, she threatens to alienate the Black vote from the Dems (maybe), and she could then lose.
Oh, what fun to see Bill and Hill flapping in the wind like a kite's tail.
Of course, this could all change in short order. Nothing has been predictable about this contest.
Per J Dave G's request, here are two ads I don't consider shallow (although they are cursory, but that's inevitable). I admit I'm biased because this is my favorite president from my lifetime:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYs8KKWU_Ms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpwdcmjBgNA
I think the ad was stupid, and I suspect that if you asked Obama privately, he'd admit feeling the same way.
But like it or not, we live in the Age of Oprah, and emotional appeals sway more votes than policy statements.
Political advertising is the reason Marvin gave us the Mute Button!
Re: anon evang post of the two old Reagan ads.
The first Reagan ad at least was a listing of his accomplishments over the past four years (although whether a President can actually claim that he controlled the economy is certainly questionable). So in that ad you got some emotion rolled in with an argument. Obama's is just wishful thinking with no substance. Regarding the bear ad, it at least made you stop and think. "Think" being the operative term.
But emotion will always be with us. Emotion is a necessary element in making decisions. I once read of a man who had brain surgery for some malady and the side effect of the operation was that his emotional center was pretty much reduced to a straight line. His life fell apart because he could not make decisions. If given a list of restaurants for example he could not choose which one he wanted to go to. We just can't do without emotion.
I wouldn't have voted for Obama if all I had seen were his ads. (And didn't already distrust Clinton, someone who has too strong a record of 'bipartisanship', aka, letting the other side dictate terms and then them doing whatever they want after you've agreed with their terms, aka, the traditional Democratic Party operating procedure for the past decade.)
His ads, right now, are simply to get his name out there.
Edwards managed to force both Obama and Clinton to basically agree with him on health care and other progressive stuff. Thus, as has been pointed out, Obama has almost no policy differences with Clinton, (And the points they do differ are things that Congress is actually going to decide on anyway, like this stupid 'mandate' thing.) so there's not actually a lot of substance to the Democratic election at this point. There won't be until one of them wins and they start running against a Republican.
Well, there is substance, in that the netroots has managed to move basically the entire party far enough progressive and liberal that it's somewhat close to matching where the US population is. The fact they all agree is hopefully a sign the party itself has changed, not just for this election. But there's no strong difference between them.
Meanwhile, the fact that Democrats agree on what they want and Republicans do not has resulted in Republicans having to go more in specific directions to get specific voters on their side, which will cost them even more in the general election as they won't be able to come back.
Whereas the Democrats could move around...except they're not going to need to. Stated Democratic policies by all candidates are pretty much in line with current thinking.
Rob, actually, I'm like that too. I can't make simple decisions about where to meet someone for lunch, and always agonize unnecessarily about what's the best place. I hope that doesn't mean I'm living with the equivalent of the consequences of a lobotomy.
"So, folks can criticize Will.I.Am for the quality of his work, [snip]
Can we criticize him for giving himself an obnoxious moniker instead?
One interesting thing about an Obama candidacy in the fall would be seeing what Hispanics do. They're voting for Clinton in big numbers in the primaries, because they recognize that Obama's racial loyalty threatens their part of the government pie. Unless Hispanics decide to sit it out, the GOP could finally get those votes they've been pandering for ever since Bush started running. I expect most would just sit out, though.
Seems you can't please some people.
If there were NO ads like this (regardless of origin), then the candidate gets the cold, stiff, talking head characterization.
Appeal to emotion, its treacly and lacking content. List your positions and, well, its too long for tv anyway, but then you get panned for being a wonk.
Calling Obama's WIFE his baby momma--I know you're tolerant Rod, but is that a comment you really care to leave up?
thanks anon evang. I can't look at them now, will try later.
I'm with Connie on that post by Donny - at a minimum, very rude.
Karen's right too that a candidate is either going to be criticized for being too emotional or too wonkinsh.
OK, I saw 'em all. First of all, the Yes We Can video is a music video folks! It's not a political ad, it's a piece of art. Shlocky, pop art perhaps, but art all the same. Art is supposed to be evocative, not substantive. Moreover, it wasn't from the Obama camp.
anon evang: I thought someone might bring up the "Morning in America" ad. I've always felt that presidents were inordinately blamed or credited with the economy. So, St. Ronald takes credit for a booming economy, I can't blame him. In all other respects, the ad is just as treacly as anything I've seen from Obama - if the ad were promoting a liberal pol, would you criticize it for taking credit for the thousands of weddings the ad talks about?
The Bear ad was not shallow, I agree. But it did also play to emotions.
The comparison to Reagan is a good one. Obama could do for liberals what Reagan did for conservatives. Much of Reagan's appeal was a mere attitude adjustment. At the time I was scornful of it as being mere vapid sentimentality, but now I think the adjustment was real. The attitude adjustment Obama is calling for could be just as real.
The comparison to Reagan is a good one. Obama could do for liberals what Reagan did for conservatives. Much of Reagan's appeal was a mere attitude adjustment. At the time I was scornful of it as being mere vapid sentimentality, but now I think the adjustment was real. The attitude adjustment Obama is calling for could be just as real.
Reagan was the most ideologically well-defined candidates in American history -- a man whose ideas were so considered so extreme the Democrats were salivating at the prospect of running against him in 1980. For years after leaving the Governor's office in 1975, he produced a daily national radio commentary on issues of the day.
Love him or hate him, Ronald Reagan brought clearly defined policies to his campaign and was all substance.
The Obama phenomenon is all about emotional impressions. It isn't going to change the way government works or the way Americans think about themselves .... because it's all just hot air. Joe Biden had him pegged exactly right.
I like Obama. I hope I get to vote for him this November.
I listen to those who claim he's hollow and smile. Just like I smiled when I heard the relatives in Louisiana were for the first time in their lives voting Republican for President. They don't feel the nation is ready for a woman or black for President.
When I hear Reagan as God I recall all the abuses of our system by his cronies. I also wonder if the problems in south America today aren't the result of his errant and illegal policies there.
The mindset that the executive branch is above the legislative and judicial branches of our government that we're having problems with today was a cornerstone of Reagan's administration.
The good thing about Bush as far as the Reagan legacy goes is I believe this administration will surpass Reagan's of criminal prosecutions, staff being prosecuted of course.
Yesterday I got to hear an earfull on McCain being a democrat. Of course the same person considers Obama and Clinton communists. I had to listen politely and smile, he's my attorney on an important issue at hand. When he came up for air I told him I was probably a communist too.
Thanks anon evang for those wonderful videos. They were anything but "happy clappy", but rather deeply inspiring and very powerful. There ARE wonderful things being done out there with contemporary Christian music. You just have to separate the wonderful from the trite.
You're welcome, Larry. And thank you.
"what seems shallow to one person can be full of profound meaning to another, not just on an emotional level but on a rational one (and even a spiritual one)."
That's a very good point, anon evang. In a similar vein, I recall reading that one of the St. Theresas dearly loved the schlockiest of religious "art".
"Reagan was the most ideologically well-defined candidates in American history."
Simon: I don't contest that point. I doubt however, that it had much to do with why he was so ardently loved. That, I think, was just as shallow in 1979 as poeple's love of Obama now.
I thought the Obama ad was pure Woodstock, and it didn't make me want to vote for him.
Is anyone else bothered by Obama's dismissal, in a recent Democratic debate, of the mastery of details required to run the government as "bureaucracy"?
I don't trust the man to govern the country, and it has zip to do with his being bi-racial.
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