WFB's passing glory
K-Lo sees continuity between Bill Buckley's passing and Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism" hitting No. 1 on the New York Times bestseller's list (which is, it must be said, an achievement my book didn't remotely come close to doing, so hat's...
What you describe is exactly what Neil Postman predicted in Amusing Ourselves to Death. The medium controls the message. Exposition of a developed, logical thought is and will remain the province of the written word. The world of the image simply doesn't allow for the type of dialogue and debate that Buckley's show exemplified. Firing Line was a holdover from the pre-television world. Once TV got its "sea legs," it was only a matter of time before shows like "Firing Line" were replaced by "Crossfire" and then "Hannity and Colmes" (Lord knows what's next) etc.,etc. It was inevitalble that the masters of the soundbite would take over the medium. Your observation about "looking weak" if a television commentator actually stops to listen to his or her opponent well illustrates the point. It doesn't matter who has the better argument -- it's all in the glibness and appearance of the presenter.
Unfortunately, I don't know that there's really any going back from what is quickly devolving from a written culture to an oral and visual culture. I remember reading a blog post from Ross Douthat a few months ago making a similar point to yours regarding the impact of blogging. He noted that if one wants to be in all the papers and on TV, blog away, but if one dreamed of being the next Alasdair MacIntyre, he should immediately unplug his television and drop his internet connection, for reasons similar to those you cite.
How-some-ever, the "all taxes are evil" chatter from the national (and local) 'conservatives' is getting tiresome, as is the constant subtle or not-so-subtle glorification of The Rich.
But 'no blogs?' I don't know that that's the answer. One cannot shape thought without putting it out there, and blogs serve as a vehicle.
One CAN break down great ideas into relatively small snippets and eventually influence thought.
THe Poulos article you linked to doesn't mention Jonah Goldberg's book. At any rate, it's much more substantial than ANne Coultre
Nice post Rod. There are too many media for our public discourse to be dominated by a few people anymore. When the printed media was supreme it was easier to be a big fish in a small pond. There are still good books and good writers out there but they face much more competition.
I think the more important idea you bring out is the prevalence of anger in our political discourse. Anger sells and its more PC than sex for both the left and right. Like most of us I only have so much time to read. I alternate reading books with a "left" slant and those with a "right" slant. I avoid those which are obviously a smear job against the other side. Its hard to do sometimes. If you go through your political or current events section at your local bookstore it seems a large percentage are just angry books intended to reinforce existing prejudices. Jonah's book with the word Liberalism and a "Hitler" picture on its cover seems representative of this category to me. Can you really see a Buclkey or Friedman doing something like that? Heck, give ma a computer and an hour and I can probably prove that Hitler and Mother Theresa are somehow connected (they both liked the same food or the same music or something equally inane).
An honest exchange and critique of ideas is necessary for our political system to function. What we have now is people who have full time jobs just making their side angry towards the other side. They often make really good money at this or achieve lots of influence. Integrity goes out the window in this scenario. Both sides ignore the big mistakes they have made in the past and concentrate on demonizing the other side. It becomes the other guy's fault all the time. There is no personal responsibility if you can blame everything on corporations, Supreme Court justices, big government etc. The think tanks are so good at parsing every word of everyone with whom they disagree and creating anger they we expect it now. You can just go to your fav blog or TV/radio show to get your anger fix.
The odd thing to me is that this isnt how most of us outside of the beltway really live. I work with people who have varied political and religious beliefs. None of them are demonic. We disagree on many things and discussions can get heated but ultimately we respect each other and things function. I believe this is how most of us really live. We need to learn how to resist the marketing skills of the hate purveyors.
Steve
Klein: Gore Vidal is just about the last of their number left. And that's a shame.
A shame indeed. Excellent irony. Proofreading is a dying art.
Rod, thanks for the mention of "Firing Line" episodes on Youtube. I've never tried it but there couldn't be a better reason.
But I don't know why the gratuitous put-down of Ann Coulter. She proposed vis-à-vis Moslem tyrannies that we invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. This is faith-based strategic planning par excellence. Bush has scored 2 out 3 in Iraq. Another thirty-years war here in the West and we might just determine which Christianity to convert them to.
I remember that when I was living in Philadelphia, about 20 years ago, I was watching the public television station late one night, and for no reason that I could discern at the time, they showed Nixon's "Checkers" speech in its entirety. (Maybe this was in 1987, which would have been the speech's 35th anniversary. I don't remember.)
I was stunned while watching this. Here was Nixon, talking on camera, by himself, with minimal props (including his wife, Pat), speaking in lengthy, complex sentences, with subordinate clauses, and laying out a fairly complicated case about his finances. For about 20 minutes. And it was obviously intended for ordinary, average TV viewers! It was amazing. I couldn't remember any political figure in my lifetime speaking to the general public in what seemed to me such a sophisticated, protracted way.
I'm not trying to defend Nixon, and I certainly recognize that the "Checkers" speech was a piece of political theatre. And yes, there was plenty of emotional manipulation, including the lines about the dog Checkers and about Pat's "good, Republican cloth coat". But I think it's worth noting that in 1952, he and his handlers felt that he could successfully appeal to voters by going on camera and just talking, in complex sentences, about a complicated subject, for 20 minutes.
I can't tell you how many times I have sat down to write a post on my blog and struggled and struggled with it, often having to abandon the idea altogether. The conclusion I have come to is that some of the topics I would like to discuss are not blog posts or even a 2000 word magazine article (I have fairly regularly written posts that long or longer and they work as long as they are well done). They are books is what I have had to realize. And you can't write books on a blog. And there are some topics which are simply to complex to even be reduced down to a reasonable blog post.
I love blogs and blogging, but I have just recently come to realize exactly what you are talking about here. We need to find a place in our culture for thoughtful examination and discussion of important topic. I do think blogs actually get us closer to that point than political television or even magazines. But I think at some point we're going to have to return to books. And interesting thing, I think is that it seems to me that there are so many topics currently in play which are too big for a blog to handle. What worries me is that these topics may well be decided without being fully thought-out if we allow blogs and the like to take the place of books. Anyhow just my random thoughts on the topic. Visit my blog! theupsidedownworld.wordpress.com :)
What did Gore Vidal write that was good? He was before my time, but all I know about him is his bad faith claims that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor and allowed it to happen and Bush did the same with 9/11. Did he just go crazy late in life?
Buckley may not have put out a book cover with a Hitler moustache on a smiley face, but that still did not prevent him from being eviscerated by both the left and the 'mainstream' right when he put out his first books like God and Man at Yale. It simply was a different time.
Still, Rod's point is good, though I see it a bit differently. It's not the tone of the rhetoric of our modern blogs that is the issue. It is that they are so anonymous, and so transient.
In previous days, your name was on that newspaper article or book, giving at least some sense of responsilibilty for decorum to the author. But now with blogs - especially comment sections! - very few give real names, so it is much easier to vent without any regard for sensibility. Nor is there any permanency - all the history here stays on only as long as the server admin wants it to. (Yes, you can move to another server or store cache pages, but only so much.)
These viewpoints were articulated nicely by Boston Symphony trombonist Doug Yeo. A longtime Internet enthusiast, he largely stopped updating his personal site after a self-search revealed to him that Internet time was taking away from more important things. This lengthy article tells of his decision, along with his finding out most 'high-level' artists do not participate on chat boards due to the coarseness of anonymous discussions:
http://www.yeodoug.com/articles/text/what_happened.html
Well, to be honest, WFB's fame even in the 'good old days' was with a specific crowd. I knew him, a lot of my friends wouldn't have a clue who he was. We're talking about, after all, a show that was on Sunday mornings, during the ratings 'dead zone'.
I don't know if there ever was a mass appeal to WFB's style and show, more's the pity, but though it may be less now, it isn't all that much less.
Rod,
Good points in general. A couple of points:
1: This is why I'm a no-broadcast-TV advocate. It's been over 5 years since we our family had broadcast TV, and I very rarely miss it. We're hardly deprived though; we've got a computer for each person in the family, watch Netflix practically everyday (this week we finished the excellent A&E Longitude miniseries, and started the new BBC sci-fi series Torchwood), and play lots of video games. Broadcast TV just seems so outdated to me now, it's painful for me to watch. I can't conceive of sitting through a TV news show or a movie with commercials, which supports your point that use of the medium shapes our expectations. What's great about this is that one can reshape their media experience by simply calling and canceling one's broadcast access.
2: Related, I don't understand how folks could think that Coulter and O'Reilly take up space that used to be occupied by Buckley. Do these two people really have any measurable impact on public discourse? Thank God I'm sheltered. The "Buckley Space" in my own life if filled with folks like Sullivan, Larison, Hanson, Noonan, Sowell, and, yes, Dreher. Maybe this caliber of public thinker is a cut below Buckley, but it's hardly a bunch of sarcastic bombasts.
Bless,
Doug
Could you imagine arguments like the federalist papers published in newspapers today?
What Pedro said: Neil Postman.
Also, I love reading your blog, but if you need to slow down, quit it, or hand it off to others (like Erin Manning) to give you more time, I'm eagerly awaiting your next book!
The comments of Pejman Yousefzadeh (one of whose commenters also recalls fondly the urbanity of the late David Brudnoy of WBZ-AM Boston):
http://www.redstate.com/stories/miscellanea/william_f_buckley_jr_a_remembrance
"Bill Buckley's Firing Line, a show of grace and passionate conversation, ceased a long time ago--a sign, perhaps, of the deteriorating tone and tenor of our national conversation. With Buckley's own passing, that deterioration, alas, continues apace. No one is in a position to revive Buckley's intelligent and civilized approach to discussing the issues of the day. Indeed, most pundits of power and influence appear resolved to being the anti-Buckleys; ill-mannered brutes whose lack of courtesy is matched by a lack of intellect.
"We will miss William F. Buckley, Jr. for all that he was. We will also miss him for all that he was not. We will miss this man who made the times and we will miss the times he made. One need not be especially nostalgic to remember that there was a period, not too long ago in American life, when conversations were pleasant and enlightening affairs. And one must be blind not to see that this period has passed and its exact antithesis has replaced it."
Well, on the other hand, I do use this blog to write about books that are substantive, important and, I think, relevant. So maybe that helps. Wendell Berry, thank God, will never blog. But we bloggers who like his work can make him better known. What good is wisdom if nobody ever hears it?
What did Gore Vidal write that was good?
Read Julian. I'm Christian (Catholic), but also a classicist, and I have always found it stimulating and provocative. (A former colleague of mine claimed that this book was instrumental in his ceasing to be a Christian.) It's fascinating to find the story of the Emperor Julian told by someone who sympathizes with him, rather than with the Church. It's tendentious, yes, but Vidal clearly did his homework, and writes engagingly.
Rod -- I share your sentiments precisely, although I'm in the same uncomfortable bind of never quite managing to unhook from the information glut of modern media (I did cancel cable TV a couple of years ago).
FYI, many more clips of Firing Line episodes are available at the Hoover Institution. I'd give a link, but every time I've tried that, my post drops into a black hole. Just Google [hoover institution firing line] and you'll find the page; then select "browse programs."
Thanks Mr. White, that looks interesting.
Rod, I can't resist: that shoulda been "write well", not "good". ;-D
We have replaced smart with smart-ass, and we will reap what we sow. I heard a joke of a certain hair color recently: two people were arguing about some tracks, whether they were made by a bear or a deer, and were still arguing when the train hit them. I'm already branded (in the pejorative sense) as an elite snob intellectual, so I don't mind appending: I will be riding that train...
... and I expect it to be nearly empty. :-(
"'We' are not producing tremendous storehouses of wit, because 'we' are not producing intellectual aristocrats as we once did -- a generations-long project that actually cannot be preplanned and gamed out and effectively managed by any kind of hive mind or professional organization."
I can remember distinctly my years in undergraduate. The newspaper was managed by political hacks, and they had their token conservative who nothing but a self-serving ass that gave the rest of us a bad name. What they posted was hardly even-handed, and certainly never came up with anything original (other than sanctimony). The response of the activists, both on and off the paper, who wrote in was to defame a person as a facist or nazi, repeating the word as many times as humanly possible in a letter or article. All of this--all of it I am convinced--was egged on by some of the profs in the LAS department.
As much as I am in a political minority in law school, I greatly appreciate the fact that people, despite being less active in politics, are much more civil. Sad that the best one can hope for is to be left alone to think in solitude.
The above post was mine--just wanted to add to the comment about Ann Coulter. I think we would be remiss if we didn't mention Paul Begala and James Carville as well. What do you do when one of these folks is on the T.V. debate show? You don't put up a WFB or Robert Novak for that matter--you go get your own flame thrower.
I dunno, Don, I'm a liberal and I'd have loved to have seen Bill Buckley steamroll over a sniveling hack like Carville (or, for that matter, his wife)on TV.
Buckley would have ripped Carville to shreds... and the vast majority of today's audience wouldn't get it. [hand passing over head]
Allen and Franklin,
Now that I just watched a clip of Buckley and Gore Vidal, I'm inclined to agree with you. I don't watch any of the "both sides" shows, mainly because it is anything but engaging or thoughtful, just about who can scream the loudest.
Great post, Rod.
"... my blog, this blog, is a real pleasure to write, but that it has been impossible for me to get my second book off the ground.... The blogging medium is training my mind to focus on the quick hit, the immediate. And it's making my output as a writer as ephemeral as it is prodigious."
Sounds like Mr. Dreher needs himself a media fast.
As much as I dig this blog, I say if you need to get that book up and running, then go ahead and take some time off. Maybe a whole big chunk o' time. Or maybe don't post every day. Whatever. We can get along just fine without you for a time.
Hmm. Like him or loathe him, Christopher Hitchens is an exemplary, erudite, and witty old- style public intellectual. I suspect blog junkies may know him mainly for his political writings but he is an excellent literary critic who has written on writers as diverse as Kipling and Anthony Powell.
And I think I first saw him talking to Bill Buckley on Firing Line!
I admire Thomas Sowell.
Steve, I love Christopher Hitchens, though I admit he comes across better in print than on TV. Let's sing the praises of old-fashioned, "effete intellectual snobs" such as Hitchens and the late William F. Buckley.
Amen, Alicia. I just hope our world keeps producing them.
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