Crunchy Con

What creates ex-Catholics?

Tuesday February 26, 2008

Categories: Catholicism

According to the NYT account of the vast Pew study:


The report shows, for example, that every religion is losing and gaining members, but that the Roman Catholic Church “has experienced the greatest net losses as a result of affiliation changes.”
[snip]

The percentage of Catholics in the American population has held steady for decades at about 25 percent. But that masks a precipitous decline in native-born Catholics. The proportion has been bolstered by the large influx of Catholic immigrants, mostly from Latin America, the survey found.

The Catholic Church has lost more adherents than any other group: about one-third of respondents raised Catholic said they no longer identified as such. Based on the data, the survey showed, “this means that roughly 10 percent of all Americans are former Catholics.”

Why do you think people leave the Catholic Church? We tend to accept the explanation that suits what we'd prefer to believe. In a short exchange on a combox yesterday, Daniel, who is a liberal Catholic, expressed his belief that these people get fed up with the dogmatism. I started to say that they wanted more substance, of a conservative sort, out of Christianity than they were getting at a Catholic parish, but then I realized that I really don't know.

The sort of conservative/orthodox Catholic who is fed up with the liberalism, or absence of orthodox Catholic teaching and liturgical practice at his parish, is not likely to leave Catholicism, because he or she has a prior belief that the RC Church is the true church. Those conservatives who would leave (usually for an Evangelical church) are those who, for some reason or another, cease to believe the Church of Rome's claims. I will concede that Daniel's view is probably closer to explaining why Catholics leave than mine, but not quite for the reason he thinks. If you reject the dogma of the Catholic Church, why would you stay when we live in a society in which changing churches is common, and there's little or no social penalty attached to it? Could it be that yes, they do reject the dogmatism, but it's less a matter of, "...and that's why I'm outta here!" than a shrug of indifference, along the lines of, "Well, it doesn't really matter what one believes, so I'm going to find a church that suits my beliefs better?"

Again, I don't know. Have there been any studies?

The Pew study tracked Protestants who left one Protestant church for another (e.g., Methodist to Presbyterian), but it didn't track the same dynamic going on within Catholicism. It's called parish-shopping. Most dioceses have one or more parishes known to the faithful as the "conservative" parish or the "liberal" parish, and Catholics to whom this sort of thing matters will cross parish lines to attend. I would think that as long as this dynamic exists within Catholicism, you are going to have fewer people leaving the Catholic Church, because they can find a place for themselves there.

Pope Benedict is known for believing that the Catholic Church should be more assertive in its authoritative teaching, and if that means people who can't accept it leave, fine. Better to have a church that's smaller but knows what it believes than one that's large but confused and largely directionless. That makes sense to me as a sociological principle. The church -- any church -- is supposed to be about saving souls, not simply offering undemanding therapeutic consolation.

Anyway, I'd be interested to hear from ex-Catholics and still-Catholics on the question: "What creates ex-Catholics?"

UPDATE: Popular Catholic blogger Amy Welborn comments on the Pew study and what it reports about Catholicism, and comes to a pretty stark conclusion about why Catholics leave their church:

In the US, at least, the Church (we’re generalizing here) hasn’t made the case for Christ.

Hasn’t made the case for the necessity of Christ being the center of one’s life and the sure means of finding and staying connected to Christ being through His Church.

Part of what makes me cringe as I read studies like this is that I imagine the response of Church bureaucrats, ordained and lay - when they bother to respond. At that response always seems to involve “programs” that will “energize” and make everyone all “vibrant” and everything.

Which is not the answer.

What’s the answer?

Also on Amy's site, the Catholic lay evangelist Sherry Weddell has a straightforward message for fellow orthodox Catholics:


I know this is going to sound wild but we know that for every evangelical who becomes Catholic, roughly eight Catholics become evangelicals. What if those 8 Catholics left us because they actually wanted and needed what evangelicals do very well and we do rather poorly?

What if they don’t actually care much about liturgy? One could draw the conclusion with some confidence since they have moved in a strongly non-liturgical direction. What if they don’t care much or at all for history or Gregorian chant or high culture or fine doctrinal debates that mean so much to us?

What if they were looking for something else that is genuine part of the Christian faith and life but which we don’t do as well. A Christian community that was small enough to actually know who they were and would notice when they showed up - a stranger. What if they desperately needed to experience the transforming power of God in their life or their family’s life? What if they love and find profoundly reverent and moving worship that is full of emotion and movement and spontaneity? What if they needed to be supported and formed by a local community marked by a genuine culture of discipleship?

In other words, what if they really, really were seeking and hungering to encounter God in a way that evangelicals excel at and we do poorly? What if the most beautiful and reverent formal liturgy in the world (as we think of it) just leaves them puzzled or cold?

While it is natural that we keep talking about doing even more of what moves us (who are here and frequenting conservative Catholic blogs) of what drew many of us to the Church - what if it is irrelevant to those who left us?

Most evangelical converts to Catholicism I’ve met are historically and intellectually minded. They were often uncomfortable with the extroverted, more openly emotional and experiential “feel” of evangelicalism. It was a relief to get out of it.

But what if we evangelicals who are drawn to those aspects of the faith are unusual, a minority? What if many of the 8 Catholics who leave for the evangelical world for every evangelical who goes in the other direction are wrestling with quite different issues - perhaps with as much anguish and integrity as we did when becoming Catholics? What if the things they seek of God and the Church are legitimate?

Can we imagine it? How does that change the conversation?

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Comments
XKatlik
March 26, 2009 12:56 AM

I was raised a Catholic and attended Church most of my adult life. Last year I left Catholicism after bad experiences with 4 parishes in a row, and a falling out with a parish youth director. I joined a nondenominational church and it couldn't be better.

The Catholic Priests were dogmatic, uncaring, unreasonable, and impersonal. Church was a non stop guilt trip & fundraiser. The music was dull. The masses were boring. Sermons were ill planned and lacking in depth. Scarcely a week went by without Ratzinger saying something which rubed me the wrong way. The catholic hierarchy is accountable to no one. There is no interest in involving laity in governance or listening to the needs or ideas of its flock.Pope Benedict has gone out of his way to crush dissent and invite anyone who disagrees to leave. I took him up on his invitation, and left on Christmas Day. Wish I had packed up sooner.

The non denominational church has been terrific. Every sunday has new prayers and teaching. Sermons are dynamite. There is an embracing of art & new technology esp. Internet and Video which make liturgy meaningful to modern society. The music is alive. The people are open and welcoming. There are many ways to get involved. The weekday programs are inspiring and pastors always have time to talk and listen. The nondenominationals practice radical charity and go out of their way to help those in need. People are sincere about Christ, prayer, and living the faith. I feel lead by God in the path that I am taking, and would encourage burned out Catholics to look beyond the Vatican for spiritual growth and inspiration.

Your Name
May 18, 2009 6:28 PM

I left the Catholic Church because of: transsubstanciation, immaculate conception, purgatory indulgences days of obligation confession to the priest sin of contraception sin of aceadia our weakness to resist temptation which will result in burning for ever. the sacrements supposed to help transform ourselves which does not work. the priests who are totally indiferent to ordinary people (the poor) the pedophile priests and those who hide them the incapacity of nuns to become priests

Your Name
June 22, 2009 4:48 PM

Aftr 60 years as a Catholic I became an Episcopalean-there is a lot of 2 way movemnt on this conversion Street-Why-basically the 2000 member RC Church-no one cared really if you came or went -since no one new you anyway and I finally got honest about doctrine -the Episcopal Church encourages one to use your brain-a smaller conregation is more intimate and no endless plees for money-

the vast majority of Cathollics practice birth control-have little formal Scripture education-most catholics do not go to individual Confession-the EC has general confession although you can go to individual as well-more use of a healing ministry-no birth control prohibition-and shock of shock Woman Priests -so Mary Magdalene was not worthy to be a Priest?

The pedophile scandal in Ireland was the last straw

Your Name
July 3, 2009 10:48 PM

What does being Catholic mean? What is "faith"? Faith in what? I tried the Catholic Church and worked hard at trying to understand why people believed it, but it was no go. I tore the Scriptures apart doing literary and textual analysis and found that there is no clear basis for the reality of a "revealed" God, so belief is just that, interpretations of hope in something greater than oneself. As a cultural and social phenomenon I'm OK with that and I could still participate in the community of belief, but the Roman cultural harshness and mediocrity became unbearable. The Orthodox seemed to me to have a stronger claim to historical Christianity, but the problem of ethnicity in the parishes was too much for me. Thus, I returned to my beginnings: American transcendental humanism with a slightly Buddhist spin. My parents were right.

Ben Holmes
December 6, 2009 5:55 AM

I'm a former Catholic who became Episcopalian. Immediately, one might assume it was over the "gays and women" issue- not necessarily. I could no longer accept the false doctrines of papal infallibility or the Roman Church's unique claims of supremacy.

I also believe, as did the 1976 Pontificial Biblical Commission, that there is no substantive biblical reason to prevent women from receiving Holy Orders. The Episcopal Church offered the traditions of old Roman Catholicism, but the simplicity of Jesus' profound truth. It really is a "bridge church".

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