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Christ is Risen (in the West)!

Saturday March 22, 2008

Easter blessings to all Western Christians on this feast of feasts! Tonight brings wonderful news from Rome. Let all Christians welcome our new brother in Christ, Magdi Allam: VATICAN CITY - Italy's most prominent Muslim, an iconoclastic writer who condemned...
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Irenaeus
March 22, 2008 11:40 PM

Thanks, Rod. Y'know, it'll be interesting to watch the coverage of this, and I bet all sorts of commentators will want to read all sorts of 'politics' into it. Now I don't doubt that B16 and the Curia are well aware of the significance and ramifications of everything they do. And yet what we have here is a baptism, the meaning of which is not (1) B16 is a crusader who (2) wants to tweak Islam and (3) has no interreligious, ecumenical sensitivity. No, what we have here is a baptism, first and foremost, and the political chips fall where they may.

And I think it'll be important to point out, again and again, that every baptism is a political act, for the Church, in many ways is a polis, and alternative polis to any other polities in which Christians happen to find themselves living. In baptism, we are crucified with Christ, and his identity becomes ours. Having Christ as Lord, any other Caesars must take a most distant second.

Erin Manning
March 23, 2008 12:51 AM

Well said, Irenaeus!

A most blessed and happy Easter to all!

Charles Cosimano
March 23, 2008 1:23 AM

Good for the Pope. I hope the musslemans choke on it.

And may all the Christians receive the blessings they desire today. It is, after all, your holiest time.

JPL
March 23, 2008 1:39 AM

Yep, nothing says the love of Christ like the sentiment "I hope the musslemans (sic) choke on it."

So Rod, when you hear me complain about venom etc. from Christians, scroll back here and have a look. If you're honest enough to admit that the sentiment there is pure spite, that is.

Rod Dreher
March 23, 2008 8:55 AM

Unless I'm mistaken, Charles Cosimano is not a Christian. In any case, I don't share his sentiment. Allam's conversion is an occasion of joy for Christians, but triumphalism is inappropriate.

Sarah in Maryland
March 23, 2008 10:28 AM

I was so moved when I read this article. May God fill Allam with joy and peace that surpasses understanding!

Susan
March 23, 2008 10:58 AM

He is risen indeed!

Of course....what did you expect? If this is true God and true man, did anyone imagine that you could "kill" him and then he'd stay dead?

.....God raised him on high
and bestowed on him the name
which is above every other name.
So that at the name of Jesus
every knee shall bend -
in heaven, on earth, and under the earth
and every tongue proclaim
that Jesus Christ is Lord
to the glory of God the Father.

Today I am grinning all over. May everyone who reads this be filled with joy.

toro toro
March 23, 2008 1:08 PM

The conversion should, of course, be an occasion of joy.

But one can't help think that baptism in such public circumstances, by B16 himself, and at Easter, marks another calculatedly thumbed nose by Il Papa. Yes, it's innocent in and of itself, but he's fully aware of how inflammatory this will be to those who enjoy being inflamed, and he's putting it front and centre for them to see.

Again.

He's been a great deal better as pontiff than I feared, or than his record in the Holy Office gave us reason to hope. But this is a worryingly recurrent theme.

Marysienka
March 23, 2008 1:14 PM

He is Risen!

Andrea
March 23, 2008 1:29 PM

Best wishes to Magdi Allam. I think Allam showed a lot of courage by this taking step and that Pope Benedict was entirely right to be bold about baptizing Allam himself and so publicly. Catholicism respects the freedom of conscience of its believers and does not allow compulsion in religion. The same is NOT true of a number of Islam, at least the way it has been practiced by so many. There's a major problem when people are saying Allam should have had a low-key baptism to avoid offending Muslims who might decide to start killing because of it. There's a problem with a religion that is more like the old Mafia: "Once you're in, you can never get out." There's a problem when countries as well as the imams refuse to let official Muslims change their identity cards to reflect their new status as Catholics. Undoubtedly Allam will still be listed as a Muslim on any of his Egyptian papers, even though he's now a Catholic. And if Allam did choose to return to Islam after being baptized, the Catholics aren't going to call for him to be killed because of it. All they would do is pray for him to return to the fold. What Allam and Pope Benedict did this weekend is let Muslims know that they have a choice.

Richard Bartholomew
March 23, 2008 1:32 PM

Anyone read Italian? His conversion narrative is here:

http://www.magdiallam.it/node/4144

Via Babelfish, I can more or less divine that he sees this as a sign from Benedict that there should be a more assertive approach to evangelising Muslims.

Of course, getting a secular Muslim pundit onboard is small-time compared to 1945, when the Chief Rabbi of Rome converted.

Allam is married but has two children from a "previous relationship" - is he a divorcee?

Francisco
March 23, 2008 2:15 PM

Death is vanquished, and Creation redeemed. It is the most unfathomable consolation of all.

Rod Dreher
March 23, 2008 2:23 PM

Amen. I am glad Benedict did this in public, not to rub the Muslims' collective nose in it, but for precisely the reason Andrea cited.

Sheilagh
March 23, 2008 8:42 PM

He is Truly Risen!

Sheilagh
March 23, 2008 9:11 PM

Y'know this is a little off topic. But the headline reminds me of a very powerful and quiet witness I saw this morning on the local news.

A church in Gardner, Mass. had been vandalized -lots of hate graffitied onto the outside walls and church doors. "Christ didn't rise from the dead", etc. And there on tv was a solid, blue collar, regular good guy with a pierced ear, a power washer and a paint brush being asked Why by the local news reporter. "I know I wouldn't want my kids to see this." he said. So got in his car and he drove up to Gardner and he cleaned up the Church for Easter Sunday.

The elderly church janitor was interviewed too. "You know it warms my heart that he travelled all this way to help clean this up." [The local KofC is offering a $1,000 reward to catch the vandals.]

Y'know, that contractor's simple act of kindness made my Easter Sunday too. His mother must be proud.

So yes, Christ is Risen! And in the big and small ways, we're here and we won't let anyone stop us from celebrating that Truth.

"And the Light shines on in the darkness and the darkness will never overcome."

Sheilagh
March 23, 2008 9:16 PM

Post Script
It wasn't just one church. It was 7 churches and a school.

Sheilagh
March 23, 2008 9:25 PM

And here's the link
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/15677367/detail.html

meh
March 23, 2008 11:25 PM

That circle-A graffiti is an anarchist symbol.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_symbolism

Goodguyex
March 24, 2008 7:38 AM

Andrea writes "There's a major problem when people are saying Allam should have had a low-key baptism to avoid offending Muslims who might decide to start killing because of it. There's a problem with a religion that is more like the old Mafia: "Once you're in, you can never get out." There's a problem when countries as well as the imams refuse to let official Muslims change their identity cards to reflect their new status as Catholics."

Regrettably the life expectancy of Magdi Allam is not another 35 years as typical for most men his age (circa 40) but maybe closer to another 35 days. This is not bull. However he is very well aware of this and he made this choice anyway.

Cat Stevens made a different choice but he can expect to live to see his 75th birthday.

Susan
March 24, 2008 10:13 AM

You always wonder, don't you.

Back when I was a kid (20) in Berlin, the old divided Berlin, the question was, "if the socialist worker's state is such a great deal, why to they need a wall and a bunch of sharpshooters to keep people in, while the democracies have laws about immigration to keep people out?"

If Islam is so wonderful, the true religion and all that, why must people be restrained by force from leaving?

You sort of don't need to know much more than this about either communist East Germany or Islam to suspect that there's something off somewhere.

gjoe
March 24, 2008 10:16 AM

Islam takes one of ours by killing an Archbishop. Christianity takes one of theirs by baptising a soul.

The parallelism is rich.

Richard Barrett
March 24, 2008 10:30 AM

gjoe: similarly, I have suggested before that a crucial difference between Islam and Christianity may be seen in how martyrdom is discussed. In the case of Islam, their martyrs say, "I'm not afraid to die because my God hates you and wants you dead." In the case of Christianity, our martyrs say, "I'm not afraid to die because my God loves you and wants you to live."

Richard

neo
March 24, 2008 10:31 AM

"We no longer stand alongside or in opposition to one another," Benedict said in a homily reflecting on the meaning of baptism. "Thus faith is a force for peace and reconciliation in the world: distances between people are overcome, in the Lord we have become close."


This is good advice. I hope we all take it. Easter and Christmas are good times to bring every one together. I felt a lot of harmony this easter among the denominations.

Anglican Peggy
March 24, 2008 11:12 AM

Susan,

Just an FYI. The major mouthpieces of Islam are now changing their story, suddenly after 1400 years, in response to the criticism of the West about this practice. It has never been questioned until now but all of a sudden I am hearing that they have re-examined the sources and lo, there is actually no requirement in Islam to kill apostates. Funny huh? Or else, the story goes, even if there is a death penalty for conversion, its rarely used. As if that somehow makes it better. Tell that to the "rare" individuals who are killed. What was that about if you kill one person, you kill the whole world??? Must not always apply, I guess.

Anyway, what still remains, and which may be ultimately responsible for the rarity of coversions and therefore the need to use the the penalty is something just as powerful, if not more powerful than physical force. Even if a Muslim is not killed for converted, he or she will most certainly be personally ruined, not by the government, by the person's own family, community and society. The fact remains that Islamic law mandates that the convert be immediately divorced from his believing partner and lose custody of his children. At minimum, he will be shunned by everyone he has ever known and loved. His business interests ruined. His employability prospects turned radioactive. Lets not even mention him gaining or retaining a position of authority. This outcome is if he is lucky. If he is unlucky, his own family, shamed by the conversion, may take matters into their own hands.

It is only the rarest, and most likely most secular or liberal, Muslim families that wouldn't do as I described above. Whether or not there is a law on the books equating conversion with treason against the state, it is clear that conversion is considered the highest betrayal of family and community by the body of believers.

I just hope that this brave person doesnt face the greatest danger from his own family. I hope also, for his sake, that they do not decide to shun him. I can't imagine how much that would hurt.

R Boggs
March 24, 2008 11:16 AM

Perhaps the original idea to do the baptism in public came from Magdi Allam rather than Benedict. Perhaps Magdi Allam wanted to make a statement to Italians and Europeans that they should stand up to Islam and not cower in the shadows.

Thomas R
March 24, 2008 12:44 PM

As I was taught it Islam's view is that "your blood is forefeit" if you go apostate. Meaning you can be killed without any reprecussions to your killer, but it's not required you be killed. If it were otherwise many leaders in West Africa would've been killed and for that matter so would a few poets in the Mideast.

In Thomas Aquinas's view death for heresy could be mandatory if the person was a repeated offender. This was based in the thinking of a much harsher world where switching faiths or joining a heresy could have clear political reprecussions. Luther and Henry rather rapidly led to taking Church lands or giving monastics the boot. Also Aquinas's view shouldn't be confused with magisterial pronouncements of the Church itself.

Still I think we should be open to the possibility or hope that Islam, or some element of it, can also clarify its own doctrines in the light or reason and understanding. Such a thing is not impossible as more tolerant Muslim societies exist in some parts of the Balkans and West Africa. You can do that while still recognizing Islam is at base morally inferior and more prone to violence than Christianity. Also that any such change will be localized to a few groups as Islam has no real authority or Church as such.

Anglican Peggy
March 24, 2008 12:54 PM

Richard,

The distinction that you make is dead on although I would modify it a bit just to hone the argument for greater effectiveness.

In Islam, a martyr can be anyone who dies because they are Muslims ie they died for the cause. This included all those who killed involuntarily in a holy war, those who are martyred by an oppressor for reason of some kind of passive, peaceful resistence or faithfulness (and yes, the first thing a muslim will point out to you are the numbers of these types in Islamic history) and then also those who die in battle to defend the faith.

In Christianity, only the first two categories qualify. Someone who dies in battle, killing and being killed, have never been and never will be considered martyrs. Any type of killing act, while it may be considered at times to be necessary and the doer considered heroic, violence is nevertheless always seen as entirely incompatible with the example of Christ. Therefore the highest honorific bestowed by the Church is reserved only for those who died for Him as he dies for us.

There is no such clear and bright line in Islam. One has only to look at life of the model for every Muslim, Mohammed. Hence, Islam's ever confused, ever conditional relationship with violence.

Anglican Peggy
March 24, 2008 1:04 PM

Sorry for the typo. Christ died for us, not "dies" for us. His death is past tense. I just thought that was an important flub to correct.

Simon
March 24, 2008 1:28 PM

As I was taught it Islam's view is that "your blood is forefeit" if you go apostate. Meaning you can be killed without any reprecussions to your killer, but it's not required you be killed. If it were otherwise many leaders in West Africa would've been killed and for that matter so would a few poets in the Mideast.

Thomas R., what distinguishes the Muslim practice regarding apostasy from that of Medieval Christendom is the absence in Islam of clear authority and of even the concept of separation of the religious and secular spheres.

St. Thomas, for example, wrote about what legitimate secular authority was entitled to do about heretics or apostates, who at that time were regarded as a threat to the social order. No Christians today -- anywhere in the world, as far as I know -- accept the medieval approach, and obviously the Catholic Church today is emphatic in its advocacy of religious freedom.

But the Muslim doctrine has a far more repressive practical effect than anything in medieval Christendom, because it means that ANY individual Muslim can take matters into his own hands and kill an apostate. The apostate-killer will, of course, want a fatwa to ensure that his action is religiously justified. But since Islam has neither clergy nor hierarchy, any self-appointed Islamic scholar can issue such a fatwa. As a result, even in Muslim states with relatively tolerant governments, the apostate from Islam is always at risk of being murdered by someone who is convinced, with the backing of religious authority, that the murder is God's will.

Anonymous
March 24, 2008 4:29 PM


No Christians today -- anywhere in the world, as far as I know -- accept the medieval approach, and obviously the Catholic Church today is emphatic in its advocacy of religious freedom.

So, the great difference in virtue between Christianity and Islam lies in acceptance of Enlightenment/Modern values.

Simon
March 24, 2008 10:57 PM

In other words, ideas do not arise out of a vaccum. They arise out of cultures. In this case, these ideas arose out of a profoundly Christian culture.

Precisely. And what gives these ideas salience is that they are coherent within a Christian theological context. If toleration represented some sort of reluctant Christian accommodation to the "Enlightenment" it would never have taken hold in society, much less in the churches themselves. That's more or less the experience of Islam under Turkish secularism, which is rapidly falling apart and never offered a very plausible model for the rest of Islam.

Of course, the unpleasant experience of the French Revolution suggests that respect for religious freedom wasn't exactly one of the Englightenment's strong suits, but that's another story....

Thomas R
March 25, 2008 1:00 AM

"Thomas R., what distinguishes the Muslim practice regarding apostasy from that of Medieval Christendom is the absence in Islam of clear authority and of even the concept of separation of the religious and secular spheres."

No disagreement there. I just think people here are a bit too against Muslims. Islam allows many things that are morally untenable, but that doesn't mean all Muslims or Muslim cultures do those things. An apostate Muslim is relatively safe in say Senegal or Albania, at least I've rarely if ever heard of anyone killed for apostasy in those two places, because the culture and law of those lands wouldn't tolerate apostate killing.

In its pure form Islam has many problems, but the reality for many Muslims is a system that mixes some of the more humane Western and pagan systems with Islam. Well the advantage for men I should say. Women are in a clearly inferior position in even the more liberal Muslim nations I know of. (Albania maybe less so, but they were officially atheist for decades)

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