Well, this is quite some news from one of America's greatest playwrights. David Mamet woke up one day and decided he didn't believe in liberalism anymore. Actually, it's more complicated than that, and well worth reading his apologia in the Village Voice. Excerpt:
The play, while being a laugh a minute, is, when it's at home, a disputation between reason and faith, or perhaps between the conservative (or tragic) view and the liberal (or perfectionist) view. The conservative president in the piece holds that people are each out to make a living, and the best way for government to facilitate that is to stay out of the way, as the inevitable abuses and failures of this system (free-market economics) are less than those of government intervention.I took the liberal view for many decades, but I believe I have changed my mind.
As a child of the '60s, I accepted as an article of faith that government is corrupt, that business is exploitative, and that people are generally good at heart.
These cherished precepts had, over the years, become ingrained as increasingly impracticable prejudices. Why do I say impracticable? Because although I still held these beliefs, I no longer applied them in my life. How do I know? My wife informed me. We were riding along and listening to NPR. I felt my facial muscles tightening, and the words beginning to form in my mind: Shut the [deleted] up. "?" she prompted. And her terse, elegant summation, as always, awakened me to a deeper truth: I had been listening to NPR and reading various organs of national opinion for years, wonder and rage contending for pride of place. Further: I found I had been—rather charmingly, I thought—referring to myself for years as "a brain-dead liberal," and to NPR as "National Palestinian Radio."
This is, to me, the synthesis of this worldview with which I now found myself disenchanted: that everything is always wrong.
But in my life, a brief review revealed, everything was not always wrong, and neither was nor is always wrong in the community in which I live, or in my country. Further, it was not always wrong in previous communities in which I lived, and among the various and mobile classes of which I was at various times a part.
And, I wondered, how could I have spent decades thinking that I thought everything was always wrong at the same time that I thought I thought that people were basically good at heart? Which was it? I began to question what I actually thought and found that I do not think that people are basically good at heart; indeed, that view of human nature has both prompted and informed my writing for the last 40 years. I think that people, in circumstances of stress, can behave like swine, and that this, indeed, is not only a fit subject, but the only subject, of drama.
I'd observed that lust, greed, envy, sloth, and their pals are giving the world a good run for its money, but that nonetheless, people in general seem to get from day to day; and that we in the United States get from day to day under rather wonderful and privileged circumstances—that we are not and never have been the villains that some of the world and some of our citizens make us out to be, but that we are a confection of normal (greedy, lustful, duplicitous, corrupt, inspired—in short, human) individuals living under a spectacularly effective compact called the Constitution, and lucky to get it.
Really and truly, read the whole thing. I don't know that Mamet would call himself a conservative, but he's certainly sick of liberalism, because its account of the human condition, and of the United States of America, is unrealistic and untrue.

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I also thought that Mamet ended up sounding more libertarian than anything. I find it disappointing that we spend so much time trying to define ourselves and others. Neither liberalism or conservatism is monolithic. Power brokers on either side want to define their ism and then put everyone into neat little boxes. Eventually you just end up with oppositional politics. If libs are for something cons are going to oppose it.
I consider anyone who blindly supports every issue on their side of this debate as brain dead. Open up your eyes and ears, put down your laptops. How many people do you really know who live up to (or down to) the aspersions cast upon them by the haters on both sides?
Steve
John, my experience with that is purely disappointments. Since this thread is becoming all about definition(s) of liberalism, that part can probably stay here, as can the question of distinction from classical Leftism. My characterization/definition of liberalism is, as far as I know, close to that of Hannah Arendt.
Fair enough, Jillian. As I said, I didn't want to get off topic here, so if you're a student of her classic THC I can send you pointers elsewhere.
John
aaron
To this atheist's eyes, who manages to occasionally upset people here on Rod's conservative blog, and SOJO's liberal blog, conservative ideology seems to have a common thread, whereas liberal ideology seems to have competing interest groups (as noble as those individual interests may be).
A good deal of the weirdness of the left is due to fact, as I've mentioned before, it is two movements. It is liberalism and progressivism, merged together.
This happened because the left gave up on racism, which resulted in minorities flocking to it because it was the most progressive and they were all dirt poor, which sorta merged in liberalism almost by accident. Meanwhile you guys picked up all the left-over racists, thus losing almost all the classic liberals, which then picked the only vaguely liberal party.
The liberals that stayed away from the left, the 'Libertarians', valued economic business laissez-fair over the progressive business policies on the left.
And, confusingly, the right like to call the most progressive stuff 'liberal' and ignore the actual liberalism. Cheap housing for the poor, or government-paid health care, is not liberal under any definition of liberal except the one the US appears to be use for no apparent reason...it's progressive. If you want a slur, call it 'socialism', but it's not liberalism.
Thomas R, above, almost got it, how 'liberal' are not 'the left', except he called Progressives 'the left'. Which is correct, I guess...liberals are on the right, progressives are on the left, traditionally. The liberal-right defends equality and justice before the law, the progressive-left demands that we help those who need help, even if it's 'unfair' to those who don't need help. So they're often at each other throats, and that's the basis of most of the West's political systems.
Except here, where all that is entirely on the left and the right wanders around demanding prayer in school and 'law and order' and that we all can have guns and that immigrants go away and that, despite most of the US population's opinion, abortion should be illegal. It's like a bad caricature of liberalism, it's total crap crammed into the leftover 'freedom' context from when they were liberals, operated by people who don't believe a damn word of it.
Pick any position of the left, and I promise you it will be either liberal or progressive. (Except opposing the Iraq war, which is just being 'not stupid', as many on the right have figured out also.) Some are really dumb mixes of the two, like affirmative action.
Meanwhile, the common 'conservative' thread seems to be 'Don't change thing in a certain specific direction, but the other direction is okay', except when it's 'Change things back to how we imagine they were'. And a few things that fall totally outside that, like 'Spreading democracy', which is a (long discredited and discarded) progressive idea. As is the drug war. (Prohibition ring a bell?)
"except he called Progressives 'the left'."
Close, but not exactly. Reforming to perfect society is basically progressive, but also liberal in US terms. I called it "Liberal." The idea of stifling individual freedom for overall equality is "Leftist", but doesn't exactly fit Progressives.
If you're meaning in classical terms it'd be easier to say what Liberalism is. Liberalism is the belief in maximum freedom for the individual. As such it devalues authority. However I was meaning the US use of the term in which case "Liberal" is, in my theory, a mix of liberalism on expression/body issues and progressivism on community issues.
Leftism is more a belief in what's good for the group and reduces inequality in it. The individual is not particularly important except as part of the overall thing.
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