I've been thinking today about Obama's speech, and reading the blog commentary. As you know, I think Obama gave a terrific speech, judged in terms of rhetoric. It probably alleviated the concerns of a number of middle-class people. But I still think that Rev. Wright's sermons have cost Obama the white working class, and he's never going to get them back.
I'm thinking of my brother-in-law in Iraq now under arms with his National Guard unit. Most, and maybe all, of the guys in his unit are working class whites. My brother in law is a firefighter in civilian life. I have no idea what his opinion of Obama is, or who he's planning to vote for in November. But I imagined him and his Guard buddies watching clips of Wright's sermons, and then listening to Obama's intellectually nuanced speech today, and I thought: Obama's toast with them. After that Wright stuff, Obama could speak with the eloquence of angels, and he'll never get them back.
I think The New Republic's Mike Crowley, who is sympathetic to Obama and who liked the speech a lot, is right when he explains why the address is not likely to win over white working class voters, even though (in Crowley's view) it's in their economic interest to vote for him.
I also think that the section of Obama's speech where he expressed understanding of white resentments against black crime, affirmative action and so forth will not be taken seriously. Don't get me wrong, I think it was a very smart thing for Obama to have said, and I even believe that he believes it. But what is he prepared to do about it? He supports affirmative action fully, for example. I don't see that in terms of policy, he's offering the white working class anything other than therapeutic rhetoric.
Finally, I was thinking about Obama's moving words in describing his relationship to his pastor and his church. Yes, he said, they can be extreme in their views, but they represent the totality of the black community, the good and the bad. To be asked to turn on them because of some deeply objectionable things they believe in and say is to demand too much. They're his family.
It's hard for any white Southerner of a certain generation to dismiss that. I grew up in a place where some older folks dear to me believed wicked things about black people. I can't say that I ever saw anyone treat black people even with as much as discourtesy. But I knew what was in the hearts of some because I heard it come out of their mouths from time to time. It's not the same thing as hearing your pastor speak this kind of garbage, but on reflection, I'm willing to cut Obama some slack on this point.
Still, I'm thinking of a point my DMN colleague Mark Davis, a conservative talk radio host, makes in his column tomorrow (which I've seen on page proofs): black leaders and liberals have driven whites who have made racially insensitive remarks from their jobs. He brings up Trent Lott and Don Imus. It's more than a little rich to insist on context and understanding for someone like Wright and his followers, when the same grace is not extended to whites.
I know this won't seem fair to liberals, and Obama explained why we should be more tolerant of Rev. Wright, whose generation really did suffer. But still, the double standard is there. Grace and understanding for old black bigots like Jeremiah Wright, but not the slightest hint of same for old white bigots, even if they, unlike Wright, express sorrow for what they said, and seek forgiveness.
Finally, I think Stanley Kurtz nails it when he identifies the Wright problem as something Obama can't easily explain away. Nobody believes Obama shares Wright's radicalism, but he doesn't have to share it to be unnerving:
Obama is persuasive because he’s sincere. You wonder how he could have sat for twenty years in Wright’s congregation listening to his minister’s shocking radicalism without leaving. Obama explains it here. He sees some exaggeration and excessive pessimism in Wright’s stance, yet he also sees the authentic voice of African-American pain. And this led Obama to tolerate, excuse, and dismiss for decades what ought not to have been tolerated, excused, or dismissed. This, unfortunately, is exactly how elite liberals come to countenance the sort of anti-American radicalism they ought to stand up and fight instead.Remember when we were hearing about the need to purge Michael Moore and the MoveOn crowd from the Democratic Party? Obama is the polar opposite of all that–and in a devilishly clever way. Rather than move the Democrats away from the Michael Moores or Jeremiah Wrights, Obama buys absolution for them from the rest of the country. No, Obama does not fully agree with Jeremiah Wright, but the Democratic Party under Obama will be complacent about its Michael Moore wing. That’s why the MoveOn types are so excited about Obama. There will be plenty of the most left-leaning appointees staffing the federal bureaucracy and set into judgeships under Obama, and all of it will be smoothed over by speeches about national healing and understanding pain. Under Obama, the Michael Moore-MoveOn wing, far from being purged, will be in the catbird seat, and all because they’ve found the perfect spokesman.
Obama says he’s too close, and too personally indebted to Wright, to break with him. But how did he get close to Wright to begin with? Wright could not have taken up so huge a space in Obama’s life unless Obama had let Wright in. And Obama let Wright in because of Wright’s sermons, not in spite of them.
Following Stanley's line of thinking, it's interesting to reflect that Obama was not raised with this kind of enraged black radicalism, but chose as an adult to become part of its milieu. Why? That is a question left unanswered by Obama's speech today.


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Re: white working class and race--back at the end of the OJ trial, I was teaching two college humanities classes. One of them consisted almost entirely of African-American women over 35 employed by a local bank. The other was a demographer's dream of diversity in age, gender, race, and ethnicity. I thought I'd try a quickie sociology survey on them both, so I asked each class: a) do you think OJ did it? and (b) do you think the prosecution succeeded in proving he did it? The former class answered yes, he did it, and no, the prosecution didn't prove it, almost unanimously. The latter class took a bit longer and argued a bit more, but ended up with the same conclusion.
So then I called my niece, who lives in Upstate Whitebread, New York, and asked her what the local reaction to the verdict was. "Oh, they're all cheering and high-fiving," she told me. I was baffled--what on earth? "Oh," she explained, "OJ used to play for the Buffalo Bills."
Some things transcend race, among all classes.
Posted by: Marian Neudel | March 23, 2008 6:01 PM
"That is what fellowship is all about. Fellowship is like marriage, a lot of work and maturely handling things we don't always like to deal with."
And the appropriate response to anybody who says "you have to choose between him [her, them, it] and me," is "goodbye."
Posted by: Marian Neudel | March 23, 2008 6:03 PM
Marian Neudel and Observer, are there any limits to this concept of fellowship? Must a Jewish congregation accept fellowship with a Nazi? I think that even Reform might find that a bit much. Must a Roman Catholic congregation accept fellowship with an atheist? Is there nothing that one can draw the line at and say "this is unacceptable"?
If not, if nothing is ever to be criticized, then why bother with all this?
Posted by: Anti Dhimmi | March 24, 2008 10:58 PM
I don't recall saying nothing is ever to be criticized.
Is there, somewhere out there, a self-identified Nazi (not an ex-Nazi) who wants fellowship with a Reform Jewish congregation? This is right up there with the question my husband asked in his Sunday School class--can God make a rock so big even God couldn't move it? (My husband, ever the wise guy, had his own answer--yes, and He could move it, too. But I digress.) This is the ultimate in hypothetical questions and I don't feel obliged to answer it until somebody comes up with a real live example.
A Catholic congregation accepting fellowship with an atheist? That seems a bit different to me, since even the most obnoxious atheists I've heard of don't advocate mass murder of Catholics. It would depend on what one means by "fellowship," I suppose. Shared activity on behalf of some good cause? Sure, why not? How is this a problem?
Is there any place I draw a line and say "this is unacceptable"? Sure, all the time, generally about behavior rather than individuals. But I try very hard not to do it in the political realm, which is what we were originally talking about here, because at least for me, that would make politics impossible. There just aren't that many people who share my particular constellation of opinions and commitments in its entirety.
For instance, I'm a pacifist who believes that, if we're going to have an army, its members should be honestly recruited, fairly paid, and decently treated. I oppose divorce and favor same-sex marriage. I think marijuana should be legal and tobacco should be illegal. I think the drinking age should be 18, the driving age should be 21, and the draft age, if we are to have a draft, should be 65. You get the idea. I will work with anybody, on a particular issue, who will work with me. Which is the only way I get anything done at all.
And I believe that many Americans, especially of the more politically active variety, hold oddly-assorted packages of beliefs, and therefore need to be willing to shack up with all kinds of strange bedfellows or stay out of politics entirely.
Posted by: Marian Neudel | March 26, 2008 11:55 PM
I don't recall saying nothing is ever to be criticized.
My error, then, upon reading your text in which you seem to imply exactly that.
Is there, somewhere out there, a self-identified Nazi (not an ex-Nazi) who wants fellowship with a Reform Jewish congregation?
If there was, wouldn't you demand that they accept him?
This is the ultimate in hypothetical questions and I don't feel obliged to answer it until somebody comes up with a real live example.
How interesting that you, of all people, do not wish to answer a hypothetical question.
A Catholic congregation accepting fellowship with an atheist? That seems a bit different to me, since even the most obnoxious atheists I've heard of don't advocate mass murder of Catholics. It would depend on what one means by "fellowship," I suppose.
Since the context of this thread has to do with "fellowship" in the sense of church membership, tying back to the issue of Jeremiah Wright, it should be obvious what "fellowship" means.
Shared activity on behalf of some good cause?
No, in this context, it would be "fellowship" in the context of Catholics giving the Eucharist, which under Catholic belief is literally the body of Christ, to a person who explicitly rejects the very existence of God.
Oh, and I seem to recall some atheists who explicitly sought the destruction of Catholics (and all other Christians, and Jews, and Buddhists for that matter). They are called "Communists". Maybe you've heard of them once or twice?
Sure, why not? How is this a problem?
There's obviously a difference between Catholic Relief workers standing side by side with some hypothetical Atheist Relief workers sandbagging a flooding river, and expecting Roman Catholic believers to share the body and blood of Christ with someone who loudly proclaims that God does not exist. Do you see why?
Is there any place I draw a line and say "this is unacceptable"? Sure, all the time, generally about behavior rather than individuals.
Do you ever find that certain individuals are more prone to behavior that you find unacceptable than other individuals?
But I try very hard not to do it in the political realm, which is what we were originally talking about here, because at least for me, that would make politics impossible. There just aren't that many people who share my particular constellation of opinions and commitments in its entirety.
But what we were originally talking about here is how Obama's speech will/did play with the white working class...a group that tends to go to church, and of those that go to church likely has some grasp of what the preacher said or what the priest said in his homily...and who, therefore, are likely to find "I didn't hear that sermon" to be as believable as "I didn't inhale".
They are also people who will walk out of a church if they find the pastor to be too obnoxious, and "God Damn America" likely would do the trick. They are likely not to understand too much how someone could find that an acceptable sermon; it's a "fellowship issue".
I hope this clarifies things.
Posted by: Anti Dhimmi | March 31, 2008 12:28 PM
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