Nobody has said it more pithily than John Podhoretz:
The difference between Wright and Hagee is that while Hagee endorsed McCain, Obama has long endorsed Wright.
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Nobody has said it more pithily than John Podhoretz:
The difference between Wright and Hagee is that while Hagee endorsed McCain, Obama has long endorsed Wright.
Do you think Hagee's views are in anyway defensible or less awful then Jeremiah Wright's? Do you think John McCain should repudiate John Hagee?
I think McCain should never have sought Hagee's help, and he ought to make it very clear that Hagee's lunatic views on the Middle East and Catholicism are not his, in detail.
Likewise, as someone who voted for Obama, I want the man to stop playing these idiotic word games with the public, come out right out and explicitly lay down the differences between his view of the world and that of his crackpot preacher. This ridiculous game of "Oh, I never, ever heard him say anything bad, no sirree" is insulting to all our intelligence.
Wright has some pretty silly theories. Many people who look around and see poverty and whatnot do. They're wrong, but they are not, as far as anyone can tell, harmful. They aren't prejudiced, they don't encourage violence, they're just incorrect. Plenty of people believe incorrect things.
And it's worth noting that while those theories appear specifically wrong, in general they are not unbelievable. The US government didn't give black people AIDS, but it did give them other diseases in a few notable instances. It doesn't sell black people drugs now, but please google 'Kerry Committee report'.
And people who think the drug war and drugs are a deliberate racist attack on minorities are not lunatics. They're wrong, it's not deliberate, but there is a hell of a lot of racism from top to bottom, and it has destroyed a huge amount of inner cities and black communities, so if someone thinks it's a conspiracy, I'll cut them a little slack. I won't vote for them, but we're not talking about Obama here.
As long as Obama doesn't believe these 'facts', I'm failing to see how they can possibly affect anything. Someone can be a useful spiritual mentor while believe a few incorrect historical facts, just like a Hindu or atheist, who I think most of us here think are incorrect about a few things, can be a useful electrical engineering mentor.
Whereas McCain, while not believing Hagee's nonsense, is a member of a party that has already shown they can't stop putting Israel's 'interests' ahead of us. (Although in actuality it is not in Israel's best interested to be involved in a Middle-East-spanning apocalyptic war, which Israel has started to realize as they continue to deal with these loonytoons.)
I don't think it means anything, McCain will ditch Hagee right after the election (Either way it goes.), but it does serve to remind people just how the neocons are using the apocalyptic evangelicals in their little game of Risk.
Back to Wright: Additionally, he's not that happy with the US. Which, and I seem to have to remind Republicans of this, is not a bad thing: Being unhappy with the US simply results in trying to change it. Being unhappy with the existing system has produced all political change that has ever happened.
It's become clear that Obama has not been honest. There's no way you sit in a pew most Sundays for 20 years and give serious tithe and not know this guy is spewing this hate week after week
There is no evidence he did this week after week. None that Ive heard of. Why do people assume this? He wrote 4 books. Big paper trail. What did he write in those?
It seems that many blacks really believe there's a great CIA conspiracy against blacks on AIDS,
I know this is nuts too BUT are you aware of the tuskegee syphilis study? That study ended in 1972 only with an accidental leak.
9/11
Ok, he ranks with Falwell and Robertson here.
drugs
Im still not sure why crack cocaine (the black drug) carries higher penalties than powder cocaine (the white drug).
Ok we have beaten this to death and Im still not sure this attack by proxy has much merit. Obama himself shows none of this. He taught at what some consider to be the most conservative (hence best) law school in the country. If any of this kind of stuff was what he really believed it would have outed by now.
Steve
I think the thing we need to consider in this comparison between these two is their sphere of influence where it counts the most, Washington DC.
Let's say Obama is elected. He attempts to make Wright's wrongness a force to be reckoned with in DC. Do you think for a minute his position will carry the water Hagee's does today? Do you think for a minute that Wright would be given the red carpet treatment Hagee enjoys in the halls of Congress?
I think Rod is trying to compare butts without lifting skirts.
Brian, his name was Maslow. You should have gone to Michigan State.
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