Crunchy Con

Does Obama need a Sister Souljah moment?

Monday April 28, 2008

Categories: Democrats
Well, if you thought that Jeremiah Wright wasn't going to be a continuing issue, you didn't see his performance at the National Press Club today. Here's the transcript. In short, Wright: 1. Defended the idea that the US Government could...
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alkali
April 28, 2008 7:33 PM

If only Obama would make clear that Wright's statements don't represent his views and they don't represent what his campaign is about. My goodness, if only he would say something like that.

Charles Cosimano
April 28, 2008 7:35 PM

It's more than mere ego for Wright. His old congregation has put him on a pedestal that the Pope may have cause to envy and that public will not forgive him if he backs down, apologizes or keeps quiet. On the contrary, they now expect him to be more public than ever.

Obama, on the other hand, cannot really denounce him without alienating a huge portion of his core constituency. The advantage to this situation is obviously to Wright, who can just keep on doing what he is doing with no consequences to himself in any practical terms while Obama is probably sinking slowly into the political sunset and we are left wondering what the race would be like if all this had come out before Super Tuesday.

Robin Thomas
April 28, 2008 7:37 PM

Obama is toast.
Wright is an evil, ignorant, arrogant man, and should not be allowed to preach in any church.
The awful truth is that many blacks feel the same way that Wright does, believe the same insane things that Wright does, want revenge the same way that Wright does.
How ironic that the candidate that claimed to transcend these issues has now come to epitomize the very divisiveness that he denounced.
I feel kind of sorry for Obama, because I truly feel that he is smarter than all of this but made a very bad choice to stay in Wright's church.

The thing that I still can't get a handle on, even after many years of exposure, is the idea that blacks are allowed to be rabidly racist and the rest of us are supposed to applaud such idiocy.

John
April 28, 2008 7:48 PM

why all this obsession with wright? he's far more mainstream than the reverand moon, who's deeply embedded in the republican party, and his obsession with sexual organs. when will the call go out to republicans to denounce moon?

Loudon is a Fool
April 28, 2008 8:05 PM

As crazy cuckoo as Wright may be, Obama this weekend announced, as he has previously intimated, that the fix for social security is to uncap the wage base. Now that's crazy cuckoo. Why all the focus on Wright when Obama, pursuant to his own opinions and general economic ignorance, has shown himself to be quite possibly the worst candidate for POTUS ever to throw his hat into the ring? Kucinich and his space aliens are better grounded in reality. But I guess if fear-mongering about Wright convinces Bubba to pull the lever for somebody else, anybody else, it's all good.

Sotto Voce
April 28, 2008 8:17 PM

I'm sorry. I watched both speeches and I don't see what all the cataclysmic fuss is about.

This is a black pastor from a predominantly white mainline denomination, heavily influenced by the vintage liberation theology movements of the 1970s and early 1980s and heavily inspired by the same sort of silly (but well-intended) top-down Afrocentric cultural mythmaking that brought us Kwanzaa. I've known these guys since my liberal arts college days. A little bit of intellectual crackpottery goes with the territory. But there is also a lot of poignant and uncomfortable truth-telling that goes with it. I observe a lot of sarcasm and shock-effect satire embedded in Wright's oratory that is not being recognized as such by an awful lot of literal-minded folks.

Quite frankly, I've heard conservative white ministers -- including one I liked very much -- say things that were more shockingly offensive than anything I heard Jeremiah Wright say last night or this morning. And I didn't denounce them, either.



Eric Wilds
April 28, 2008 8:18 PM

Exactly, why is it fair to conclude that Rev. Wright is an egomaniac? Rev. Wright has his opinions, will not change them just to suit the political realities of the Obama campaign, and will not retract his "divisive" rhetoric? I applaud him. I hate it when a politician or celebrity says something controversial -- even though we know they believe it -- and then just grovel before the red guards of political correctness.

Rev. Wright made these comments in his church because he believes them and we all know he believes them. An apology would be disingenuous. Naturally, I disagree with much of what he says and know he belongs to the nutty left-wing. However, this doesn't bother me like it used to. After eight years of George Bush I realize that the nutty left-wing isn't really as dangerous as the nutty right-wing. An Obama presidency really doesn't bother me.

Max Schadenfreude
April 28, 2008 8:44 PM

McCain is a Moonie?

Doug Cramer
April 28, 2008 8:52 PM

"McCain is a Moonie?"

No, but Obama, McCain and Clinton are all heretics.

And Romney was a Mormon.

;-)

Doug

Pauli
April 28, 2008 9:05 PM

Is there such thing as the "entire black church"? Or is that just his fantasy? I mean, there's no "white church". In effect, he's claiming a de facto Superpope position and automatically excommunicating any black who disagrees with him or has different politics. It also seems like he's saying that being black means never having to say you're sorry.

Daniel
April 28, 2008 9:15 PM

Is there such thing as the "entire black church"? Or is that just his fantasy? I mean, there's no "white church".

Do you not live in the U.S? I mean, there is the "black church" including entire denominations that are almost completely black. The AME, for one. The National Baptist Convention. The Church of God in Christ. Sunday morning is the most segregated time of the week.

There are obviously "white churches" although they aren't likely to identify themselves that way.

John
April 28, 2008 9:33 PM

McCain,s top adviser, charlie black does have ties to the rev. moon. he has deep ties to the republican party and the religious right. and he makes rev. wright look like a saint. moon also owns the washington times and gets homeland security contracts.

Pauli
April 28, 2008 9:33 PM

Well, Daniel, you just answered my question by pointing out there is more than one black church. There's not a single black monolithic church. I'm sure there is some number of of blacks who don't agree with this guy and would even criticize him, but he makes it sound like they are going against an official dogma of the superdenomination of all black believers if he says "criticism of him is criticism of the entire black church." Can you imagine Billy Graham saying "criticism of me is criticism of the entire white church"? It doesn't translate. That's why orthodox believers are right to say this guy is not talking about Christianity.

The term "segregated" is a stupid word to describe the situation with different churches, at least in the north. The bullies in the south enforced real segregation. Black people can go join a predominantly white church and many do even if bozos like Wright would frown upon them for it.

Daniel
April 28, 2008 9:47 PM

Wright is an active member in the overwhelmingly white United Church of Christ. I don't think he frowns on people going anywhere; he just offers a church that is based on the tradition of Black Liberation Theology, like many of the "black churches."

John
April 28, 2008 9:55 PM

meet the lunatic preacher who supports the republican party and calls the united states the kingdom of satan.

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v64991509KEhrt9N&source=embedVideo

Rod Dreher
April 28, 2008 11:49 PM

I'm digging how Wright, egomaniac showboater that he is, claims that an attack on his koo-koo self is an attack on every black Christian everywhere. Uh, I doubt that.

tehag
April 29, 2008 7:48 AM

>
Obama is distancing himself from him (Wright) not because he really dissents from Wright's message, but out of political expedience.
>

How? After joining Wright for 20 years, what could Obama say? No words: deeds. He must remarry in an appropriate church, re-baptized his children, demand his contributions back (and get it); denounce Wright's church, then attend another for, say, 10 years. Then I'll believe he has 'distanced' himself.


Kevin
April 29, 2008 9:00 AM

"Said criticism of him is criticism of the entire black church."

Good! Keep talking Rev., sooner or later the American people will take you at your word and realize the same poisonous bile is going on in "black churches" all over America. It's NOT just Rev. Wright, he's not some far out loon but a pretty typical black preacher.This racist trash has nothing to do with Christianity, it's warmed over Marxism.

"Obama needs not just to distance himself from Wright's views; he needs to disown him at this point."

He's gonna have to disown his wife too. She's nearly as bad as Wright. I'm pretty sure Obama believes all this garbage too, that's why he chose to have these people in his life. He just is trying to hide it, put him in office and it'll come out.

Jeff Sullivan
April 29, 2008 9:56 AM

The awful truth is that many blacks feel the same way that Wright does, believe the same insane things that Wright does, want revenge the same way that Wright does.

Indeed. God help America.

Jason
April 29, 2008 11:52 AM

I don't see it. I read the entire transcript and it seems pretty tame. While one might disagree with him, I don't see anything too bizarre.

On the AIDS issue, he cites his sources as to why he thinks the government is capable of creating the AIDS epidemic. He might think they did and I might think it is a crazy idea, but I would have said the same thing about the Tuskegee Experiments and about dozens of other rather bizarre stories in the history of American public health.

We might think Louis Farrekhan is a nut, but there is no denying his importance in the race conversations of the late 20th century.

His comparison to Roman legionaries is explicitly in reference to imperialism and the fact that imperialism means some people rule and others are ruled. Our military is not enforcing our laws or collecting taxes, so the comparison is a stretch, but not a radical one. Replace "laws" with "economic interests" and replace "taxes" with "oil" and, presto!

I'll give you points four and five.

While all of this seems like tired rhetoric to my suburban white ears, banality is the worst criticism I can offer. I don't see crazy and I suspect that he is not even pushing the envelope in the African American mainstream. So, to call him crazy would be painting a wide brush across a lot of people. So maybe I'll take back point five.

Phil
April 29, 2008 2:07 PM

People, I want universal health care and I want out of Iraq. If we have to suck it up and vote for Clinton to WIN in November then we'll have to do it. Ugh. We mustn't let our spite trump issues that are important to us. McBush destroys Obama at the polls in November and you know it.

Gudrun Scott
April 30, 2008 1:20 AM

Wright could be having more than senior moments but be on his way to a dementia like Alzheimers or borderline personality mental illness or some other form of mental illness- he needs a psych evaluation and if Obama says that this guy is different than he was 20 years ago when he met him- Obama might be right- the man is having a mental breakdown- he just retired ( looks like he was fired) and is taking it rather badly.

We the nation should not be punished for a man going crazy- he is not running for office.

We need a person who is for uniting people for building on confidence and hope and who will be respected by others 0 that is Obama and I am glad he got rid of his pastor!

I am sick and tired of pastors who end up in million dollar homes anyway- or that Pope who come to the US and still do not change the cannon law to protect children from priests- a pox on all their houses.

Give me the Dali Lama any time - a humble man who preaches love and compassion and peace.

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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