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The pubs of Oxford

Tuesday April 15, 2008

Categories: Culture
Look at this Times feature on the wonderful, wonderful pubs of Oxford. It is balm in Gilead, at least if you're me. I was in Oxford once, nine years ago, and visited the Eagle and Child (where the Inklings drank;...
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Seth Elder
April 15, 2008 8:43 AM

I had the opportunity to spend six months studying at Oxford this past year. What I will miss most - and there are many, many things to miss - is having a pint with friends after a long day at the library.

Seth
April 15, 2008 8:46 AM

I had the opportunity to study in Oxford for six months this past year. What I miss most - and there are many things to miss - is meeting for a pint with my friends after a long day at the library.

And the pub quizzes at the Turf (Thursdays) or the Bear (Mondays) are not to be missed - our American team won an Imperial gallon of ale, and a free dinner, respectively. Though, if you want to do well, you ought to pick up a local for the cricket, football, and British television questions.

Sheilagh
April 15, 2008 10:09 AM

I *swear* I was just thinking about Oxford when I turned on the pc and looked at this. The pubs are great. Could possibly be heaven with the right amount of Guiness - not too much. :)

I was actually thinking about a good priest I once knew who was continually called over there as an expert to speak at summer conferences on the Early Fathers and Orthodox Spirituality. Loved Polycarp. Very wise. He toned it way down in the parishes. But still it was good.

Here's an idea of a topic.
The saints were regular people who loved Jesus Christ with their whole hearts and gave their lives to Him. We are called to do the same! Fr. Martin Hyatt, . . ., will help us understand our calling to sainthood.

Major Wootton
April 15, 2008 10:32 AM

I would expect that however "Inklingesque" the decor, the people sitting inside would generally have their finds shaped by and their talk marked by the same stuff we are all too fmailiar with outside such pubs.

Rob G
April 15, 2008 12:23 PM

About once a month, pint of bitter in hand, I watch an episode of 'Inspector Morse,' which is set in and around Oxford. There is usually at least one scene set in an Oxford pub, and I always wait till Morse sips his first pint to sip mine. It's kind of silly I know, but it's become a tradition, and it's the next best thing to being there.

Richard Barrett
April 15, 2008 12:40 PM

I spent an absolutely glorious day in Oxford last summer during my very first trip abroad ever. I found the Eagle and Child to be quite enjoyable -- no Eurodisco to be found, the fish, chips and ale were very good, and I even liked the mushy peas.

One thing that was kind of funny was a group of three or four Canadian twentysomething women who seemed to be there on something of a C. S. Lewis pilgrimage based on what I overheard, and who only ordered water to drink. I ran into them again at Evensong at Christ Church, and they looked extremely confused through much of the service. Draw your own conclusions.

Anyway, Oxford became my favorite place in the universe that day. I want to go back ASAP, and if there's some way I can find to actually be a student there, so much the better.

Richard

Kit Stolz
April 15, 2008 1:08 PM

Who knows how many wonderful pubs there are in and around Oxford, but one delightful one that should have been mentioned but wasn't is The Trout.

Perhaps it's a little too new -- only goes back to around 1400.

Kevin Divine
April 15, 2008 3:20 PM

For those of us who aren't going to the UK any time soon, I think the American equivalent, at least in function [definitely not in form] is the dive/roadhouse/diner in little towns all over the country. There's no franchising, just a lot of authentic localism. I offer these off the top of my head:

Doe's Eat Place--Greenville, MS [Oh the tamales!][And steak!]
Susie's Roadhouse--Ostrander, MN [oh, the ribs!]
The Dam Bar--Marshall, IA [Fireworks in the adjoining city park over the Cedar River every July 3rd.]
Charlie's Cafe--Freeport, MN [often cited as a source for Garrison Keillor on Prairie Home Companion][softball sized sweet rolls]
Myrtle Beach-- Myrtle, MN [Pork chops and Guinness with sand volleyball in the back]
Al's Breakfast--Dinkytown in Minneapolis [okay, not so small a town but the dude is a James Beard winner and the place is a literal hole in the wall].
Bartoletti's--Aurora, WI [steak au poivre in northeastern Wisconsin, and a great Italian menu to boot. Whooda thunkit?]

Nick the Greek
April 15, 2008 3:45 PM

Personally, I prefer the pub that's just across the street from the "Bird and Baby", which was also an Inklings hangout, albeit a less famous one. The Lamb and Flag, I think it's called.

Zach
April 15, 2008 4:13 PM

English pubs are great, yeah, but I'll take the conviviality of a Bavarian biergarten any day. Weisswurst and fresh spargel, with a stein of Augustiner Brau. That's heaven on earth.

Elaine Saunders
April 15, 2008 4:55 PM

Both the Eagle & Child and the Lamb & Flag in Oxford are owned by St John's College (Tony Blair's Alma Mater). The college was founded in 1555 by a member of the Merchant Taylors Company, John White and named for St John the Baptist. The Merchant Taylors (who were involved in the wool/cloth trade) had a lamb as their symbol which could account for the adjacent pub taking the name. However, Lamb & Flag is usually a name taken by pubs which were a stopping off place for crusaders.

Oxford might have the most literary Eagle but Cambridge has the most scientific one. The Eagle adjacent to Corpus Christi College was often visited by Alan Turing, the enigma cryptographer and father of modern computer science. It was also the local for the Cavendish Laboratory. In 1953, Crick and Watson held a press conference in the pub to announce that, with Wilkins, they'd discovered DNA, an achievement for which they were awarded the nobel prize.

Elaine Saunders
Author - A Book About Pub Names
www.completetext.com

Ethan C.
April 15, 2008 5:00 PM

Kevin Divine brings up an interesting point: what exactly *is* the American pub?

One is tempted at first flush to simply write off the project. There's something about the temperament, or the history, or the landscape that makes the pub impossible over here. Our best attempts at emulation--even the fine "Irish Pub" that I frequent here in my town, where I know the publican by name--always come up short, for the very reason that they are emulations, and a pub is fundamentally nothing but itself.

But perhaps Mr. Divine is right, and the essence of the pub lies not in its form but in its character: a welcoming house, where the regular will find friendship and the stranger will find hospitality. Perhaps the diner does, after all, offer the American analogue, with the accidents of British culture replaced by American idioms. While we may lament some of the differences--cheap coffee can't replace mellow ale as a social catalyst--we needn't despair that the New World has lost one of the West's vital organs.

It may take us another hundred years to see the reflowering of true pubs in America--we had the genuine article at least up though the late 19th century, before the ravages of prohibition and late modernity--but the seed still remains, transplanted, regrafted, but waiting only the black furrow and the farmer's gentle hand.

Dave
April 15, 2008 5:43 PM

I had one of the worst meals for which I waited hours at the Fowl and Foetus. It was a Sunday roast after attending Liturgy in Oxford. Nasty and cold - the food, I mean. I was too irritated to feel any connection with the Inklings.

On the other hand, I have a fond memory of my only visit to The Turf.

rombald
April 16, 2008 4:35 AM

It was Italy last month, Rod, is England your favourite European country now?!

A pub, I think, is closer to a cafe than to a bar or restaurant. Bars are places where people go for a #night out# or to pick up men/women. Restaurants are places where people eat, and you can't talk to people in another group. Pubs combine beer, food and conversation. The beer must be good, the food, if you want any, must be at least passable (you can't expect wonders in England!!), and you must be able to chat to the barman or to anyone who comes in - in a bar, you can only talk for sexual reasons. The conversation should have a self-mocking edge, and there should be no forced anti-intellectual concentration on sport or sex. It's crucial that the beer is served from a pump rather than a bottle, and that you have to go to the bar rather than having a waiter come to the table. You have to be able to hang about, spending an hour to drink a pint, without any pressure to move on or buy more. The building and decor should be olde-worlde, even if fake.

I've never seen anything resembling a pub in the USA, Asia, or most of Europe. Even Scotland doesn't really have proper pubs - something to do with hyper-Protestantism and drinking whisky instead of beer. French village cafes are fairly similar, though, especially in the north, where people drink more beer than wine. Irish pubs are maybe better than English ones. Japan has bars, which are stylish places; hostess bars, where pretty women serve you beer and flatter you, and you get charged a week's wages; and izakaya, where you have to sit down and eat, and you'd be thought a lunatic for talking to someone at the next table.

The Man From K Street
April 16, 2008 8:45 AM

Naturally, I have to inject a dissenting POV here, or at least one that brings us back to reality. Check out Anglo-Indian journalist Tunku Varadarajan's defense of the American bar as actually far superior than the British pub earlier this year: http://search.ft.com/ftArticle?queryText=tunku+bar+pub&y=0&aje=true&x=0&id=080105000058&ct=0

In a nutshell, he points out
"1) The virtues of the English pub are vastly exaggerated by sentiment and nostalgia...
2) It is easier to extract a barman's toenail in an English pub than it is to extract that extra cube of ice for that glass of scotch that barely contains any scotch...
3) There is a "mean sod" culture in pubs - pint glasses filled to the exact pint-marking on the glass, and not a drop more; bottles that are in those horrid upside-down racks with a plunger gizmo that dispenses exactly one-sixth of a gill (now there's a word!), and not a drop more...An American barman who poured drinks like an English one wouldn't last a day in his job...
4) There are far fewer "regulars" at American bars than in English pubs, "regular" being a euphemism for "appalling bore"...American bars are more cosmopolitan places, drawing people from all neighborhoods and beyond...less swearing, besides, in American bars (despite the occasional mother-****er), and many fewer drunken women than in the English pub, where the bladdered ladette is now a nightly hazard. As for the fauna, plucky American girls are more interesting than dart-throwing Englishmen...
5) Two final words in celebration of the American bar: no cider."


It's a twelve year old study, but I would recommend everyone take a gander at

http://www.sirc.org/publik/passport.pdf

which was a funded anthropological study of British pub etiquette. A very interesting tidbit: the researchers timed the average realization time of foreign tourists that they were expected to go get their drinks themselves and take them back to their seats, by nationality. The Americans observed and timed actually did pretty well--the Scandinavians abysmally.

Matt
April 16, 2008 5:33 PM

I spent 3 of the best months of my life in Oxford, studying abroad there as an undergrad. Love the Turf--tradition was never to have the same beer there twice, given the vast selection. There wasn't any Europop when I visited the Eagle and Child, but it was only the afternoon, so what do I know?

Some other gems from my time there are (or were--I haven't been back yet) The Grapes and Rosie O'Grady's. There were more I visited, but I'm afraid time and a few too many pints whilst in the pubs themselves have softened my memories.

Alicia
April 16, 2008 6:20 PM

I have a fantasy of living in a pub in the English countryside for a while -- one of my favorite parts of Lord of the Rings is the visit to the Prancing Pony in Bree. Sigh!

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