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John Edwards endorses Barack Obama

Wednesday May 14, 2008

Categories: Democrats
Happening right now on the evening news. Stephanopoulos says that the 20 delegates Edwards won, and presumably will now release to Obama, make up for the delegates Hillary won in West Virginia yesterday. Will the last Clinton campaign staff member...
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Phil
May 14, 2008 7:35 PM

This endorsement is not free. In Edwards you are looking at the next attorney general of the United States. That's cool, just saying though. I'm liking the idea of Clinton as veep more and more actually. She could be like the prime minister in France: deal with all the domestic policy while the president represents the country and deals with international relations. She has the cojones (hah!) to wrestle with congress, she'll be able to give them the smackdown whereas they'd tie Obama into a pretzel, I don't see him having the intestinal fortitude to fight the Republicans in congress.

sj
May 14, 2008 7:51 PM

Yeah, I doubt this is the end of Clinton or Clintonism. She was way too tough a campaigner to be written off at this point. She just needs to regroup and wait her next opportunity.

Jillian
May 14, 2008 8:55 PM


Obama is consolidating the whole conservative Southern Democratic establishment with him. He's an instinctual moderate-Left politician at best anyway, not much of a real liberal. (Really ambitious and righteous/egotistical people never are. After all, real liberals don't find wielding power fulfilling or an end in itself.) He got Jimmy Carter's fervent endorsement and treatment as his son long ago.

McCain...think Gerald Ford. Just a lot less principled and less informed.

Clinton is obviously running for '12 at this point, when the country has moved further Left than Obama and his coalition actually are and they're expended. Just like some fellow who didn't quite make the nomination for his Party in '76, but did pretty well when the country shifted further Right in '80.

Simon
May 14, 2008 9:40 PM

Obama is consolidating the whole conservative Southern Democratic establishment with him. He's an instinctual moderate-Left politician at best anyway, not much of a real liberal.

Edwards happens to be southern, but he's neither conservative nor moderate.

Southern Democrats, whatever their personal ideology, are lining up behind Obama because throughout most of the South the Democratic Party is majority black and strongly supports Obama.

Simon
May 14, 2008 9:52 PM

I still don't see why, from Clinton's point of view, she should drop out. She's won the lions share of the primaries since mid-February, including every one of the major states, except Obama's home state of Illinois. His advantage has come entirely from the caucuses, which are a mockery of democracy.

Of course, Clinton knew the rules going into this, and it's her own fault for not preparing caucus organizations. She's a victim of her own arrogance, and of the tacit acknowledgment by rank and file Democrats that the Republicans were right about at least one big thing in the 1990s: The Clintons are sleazebuckets.

But right now she's closer to the nomination than Ted Kennedy in 1980 or Ronald Reagan in 1976 ever were, and both of them fought actively through the national party conventions. It's easy to understand why people who care mainly about the party in the abstract might want her out of the race, but for Clinton (as for any candidate), the party is just a vehicle for her candidacy. Why should she quit now?

Reaganite in NYC
May 14, 2008 10:09 PM

Should Edwards' endorsement -- especially at this point -- be much of a surprise to anyone? I really don't think Hillary was counting on it and I doubt that Obama feels that he actually needs it now.

Edwards is a persuasive public speaker but as a political leader never impressed me. Too many things he said and did that turned me off. And what did he actually accomplish in public life? A single term in the US Senate? Big deal.

Oh well, this will be of interest for perhaps HALF of a news cycle.

Scott R.
May 14, 2008 10:11 PM

The Democratic party stabbed the Clintons in the back, and you will see millions turn their back on the party.

On Wright alone, hell will freeze before this Democrat votes for Obama. The only thing that could change that is if Hillary is VP.

Unless McCain, who I would normally have no use for, does something extremely dumb to alienate moderate Democrats - like pick Huckabee as VP, which I have seen floated on some news stories - I intend to do what I can to punish the party by voting for him in November. This is not just me talking. This is my wife, my parents, most of the people I work with and most of my friends - all lifelong Democrats. We will do what we can to keep the party of of the White House for the next 4 years.

You get what you give and the Democrats blew it. They tossed away talent and experience in exchange for a pretty face so they could say "Look at us - we aren't racists."

Jacqueline Moroz
May 14, 2008 10:31 PM

I keep hearing about Obama being compared to JFK. Wasn't JFK overrated.
Clinton is the best and most experienced of the three. The media is fawning over Obama like he's the second coming. Come on! He's a politician.

Mel
May 14, 2008 10:38 PM

Simon --

I kinda agree with you. It seems strange how the party big shots are trying to shut Hillary down just as she's beginning to gain some traction. I'm no big fan of any one of them (Obama, McCain, Hillary) ... but you get the sense that the Dems are worried that Obama is beginning to show that he has a glass jaw and they're trying to shield him.

I saw Obama the other day on TV (he was speaking in some small town in Missouri) and he sounded just plain dull. No big crowd. No teleprompter. No soaring rhetoric. Just trying to communicate like a normal person with normal persons. He's awful at that sort of thing. Almost tongue-tied and at a loss for words. I've seen that as well at other rallies. He doesn't actually connect with people ... but instead refers to "the people" and their problems in a remote almost clinical way. It is very off putting.

McCain is no great shakes as a speaker, but at least you get a sense that McCain is comfortable in his own skin. Obama just seems uncomfortable in his own skin (unless it is one of those big staged events where he's got a teleprompter and reading a script written by one of JFK's old speechwriters).

If Obama becomes President I think it won't be too long before the people begin to get bored by this guy and then sour on him. The balloon will eventually burst. And then they'll wonder what ever happened to that Senator lady from NY with the canary yellow pant suits, and why they didn't let her run for President against McCain.

Gene
May 14, 2008 10:52 PM

Jillian writes: "McCain...think Gerald Ford. Just a lot less principled and less informed."

Gosh, Jillian, that is over the top. Mean, too! Here's how I would put it.

"McCain ... think Dwight Eisenhower. Just a bit older but even wiser."

McCain would never have gotten us into this mess in Iraq like Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld did. Just as Eisenhower the experienced soldier-politician knew how to get us out of the Korean War, McCain will do the same with Iraq. You watch. He'll do it :-)

Charles Cosimano
May 14, 2008 11:11 PM

If you looked like Obama would you be comfortable in that skin? He's a cartoonists dream.

yelladawgNC
May 14, 2008 11:22 PM

What a nasty lot you conservatives are.

Mel
May 14, 2008 11:34 PM

yelladawgNC --

Who are you calling mean? A case of the pot calling the kettle black, perhaps?

In my case, I was just sharing an observation about Obama's speaking style when he's not relying on those teleprompters. He's simply awaful. That's not mean. Just telling it like it is.

Part of the problem for Obama, in fairness to him, is that he's been so grossly oversold by his friends in the media ... that the expectations are sky high for this guy. So whenever he scratches himself in the wrong place or speaks in a wooden, halting style ... voters are apt to say, "Huh! What ever happened to the great Messiah we were promised?"

Reaganite in NYC
May 14, 2008 11:47 PM

Just checked my favorite news source besides Crunchy Con (yup, you guessed right -- The Drudge Report) and I linked to the AP story on the Edwards announcement. The AP reporters caught up with David "Mudcat" Saunders, a chief adviser for Edwards on rural affairs during his presidential campaign.

According to the AP, Saunders said: "For Barack Obama, I think he ought to kiss Johnny Edwards on the lips to kill this 41-point loss [in West Virginia]."

So it's "kissing on the lips" now for these Democratic Alpha Males. Gee, that's likely to play well in Peoria :-)

J. A. Timberlake
May 15, 2008 12:11 AM

The Democratic Party "stabbed" the Clintons in the back !

My Oh My ! How quickly we forget the disaster of the Clinton years and how it led to the equally disasterous Bush years.

Frankly, I will never trust a "woman" who repeatedly stood by while her "so called" husband dragged her through the mud of numerous public affairs, a perjury conviction, and a rape allegation that still stands unanswered - all for political power.

Obama may not be that great of a candidate or even a president but he is a better choice than woman who you can't trust.

Sean
May 15, 2008 1:56 AM

I was never a Hillary fan, yet also never saw her as the devil incarnate.

I seem to be the only person, however, who remembers how much she protested her first few years as a Senator, "No, I am emphatically not running for President!" Back then everyone knew it was a set-up for a presidential run, but once the campaign began, I never heard anyone bring it up. For me, it spoke volumes about her integrity and sincerity==none.

This social conservative is hoping for an Obama win in the fall for an end to the Iraq war and torture; he seems to be the best hope for that. On our other major social concerns--the sanctity of unborn life and marriage--I'm afraid we long ago lost.

Anderson
May 15, 2008 7:36 AM

Typical stick your finger in the wind politics brought to you by the three time loser(two Presidential Primaries and one Presidential election) John Edwards. If he felt this strongly, we did he not endorse during the North Carolina primary in his home state? Guess he must have thought Hillary had a chance to pull off the upset. Now Edwards is simply schilling for a spot on the ticket or a spot in a potential Obama administration. Well they both share one thing in common. One term in the Senate and inexperience. What a happy couple.

Simon
May 15, 2008 8:51 AM

What a nasty lot you conservatives are.

We righties can only aspire to the level of charity, civility and sophisticated discourse that marks Daily Kos, Huffington Post, Democratic Underground and the rest of the Netroots. ;)

Simon
May 15, 2008 9:00 AM

The past week has been a remarkable example of how the mainstream media still tries to dictate the course of the race.

-- Clinton wins Indiana (where much of the Democratic electorate is in Obama's home Chicago media market), but the media says her margin wasn't big enough.

-- Clinton wins West Virginia by an astounding 40 point margin, despite a week of press coverage insisting that Obama is the nominee, but the media shrugs it off.

-- John Edwards, who has no significant national following and no ability to shift votes or delegates to any candidate, endorses Obama, and the media heralds it as a decisive event.

None of this will affect the upcoming results in Kentucky, where Clinton is going to win by 20 points or more. But that, too, will be greeted with a shrug by the press. Bizarre.

Kit Stolz
May 15, 2008 10:59 AM

I like the originality of Simon's comment, but question his uniform characterization of the mainstream media.

I mean, after all, one of the loudest voices in American media today is Rush Limbaugh, and he has pulling heartily for Hillary Clinton all this year, and that has had an effect. In fact, Republicans may have given Hillary her margin of victory in Indiana.

Perhaps Simon would say that this is why the media are not talking more about her victories. But the fact remains that Limbaugh all by himself outdraws National Public Radio by a vast margin. By calling himself an "entertainer" he can take a far more activist stance than any network or newspaper. Like countless activists on all sides of every issue, he paints big media with a broad brush and claims to be totally opposed to it, even as he boasts of his 240 radio stations, etc. The point being that "the media" is far more diverse than Simon wants to admit.

But as to why the press shrugs off Hillary's victories in Indiana and W. Virginia -- Obama's landslide in North Caroline netted him more delegates than both those states put together. And he's ahead overall, cruising towards victory. Should the press overlook that?

http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/primaries/democraticprimaries/index.html

recovering ex-Pentecostal
May 15, 2008 11:08 AM

"Obama is ... not much of a real liberal"

Gee, Jillian, that's not what those Republican ads in Mississippi said.

recovering ex-Pentecostal
May 15, 2008 11:19 AM

Scott R.

"The Democratic party stabbed the Clintons in the back"

So? The Clintons stabbed GLBT Americans in the back - TWICE! - with the so-called "Defence of Marriage Act" and with Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

"hell will freeze before this Democrat votes for Obama. The only thing that could change that is if Hillary is VP."

Wishy-washy much? That's some picture of "hell" ya painted there.

" I intend to do what I can to punish the party"

Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen you explain what the party did to you.

You did say, "tossed away talent and experience". I presume you men Hillary, in which case the party didn't do that; the voters did. And you would risk another 4-100 years of Bush policies by voting for McCain? Some "lifelong Democrat" you are. Sounds quite fair-weather-ish to me.

Simon
May 15, 2008 11:53 AM

I mean, after all, one of the loudest voices in American media today is Rush Limbaugh, and he has pulling heartily for Hillary Clinton all this year, and that has had an effect. In fact, Republicans may have given Hillary her margin of victory in Indiana.

Rush Limbaugh is a entertainer, who is paid to give his opinions on politics and other matters. Since he's in the opinion business rather than the news business, his opinions have no bearing on the question of media bias.

The bias/inaccuracy of the mainstream media is found in the reporting ranks, where not only is the left-of-center outlook of the professional class nearly universal but also a herd mentality prevails. On issues such as this, the very fact that media outlets are declaring Obama the winner causes other media outlets to declare Obama the winner.

And for all Limbaugh's bloviating about "Operation Chaos" (the goal of which is apparently to cause turmoil among Democrats, not to help Clinton), I don't believe for a second that Limbaugh adherents have had a statistically significant impact on any primary contest to date.

Mhoram
May 15, 2008 12:04 PM

"I still don't see why, from Clinton's point of view, she should drop out." -- Simon

I don't get it either. I thought part of our vibrant election system was the give-and-take of the conventions, that the primaries are an important first step, but the real decision comes down to the brokering that goes on when the delegates finally meet. Just because the last few conventions have been nothing but rubber stamps and campaign kickoff parties doesn't mean that's what they're supposed to be. Haven't some past conventions even ended up picking a compromise candidate who wasn't previously a serious contender at all? I didn't learn much in history class, but I seem to recall something like that.

But now, because the Ordained One has a small mathematical lead, his opponents are just supposed to shut up and go away, even though there are serious indications that he's not the strongest candidate their party can provide. (And ditto for Ron Paul supporters.) And is it really up to Edwards to decide whom "his" delegates vote for anyway?

Simon
May 15, 2008 12:40 PM

And is it really up to Edwards to decide whom "his" delegates vote for anyway?

Nope. Once he releases them, they're free agents.

Not that his whopping 20 delegates are likely to tip the balance anyway.

Kit Stolz
May 15, 2008 1:08 PM

from The New Republic/Jonathan Chait:

"Measuring the Limbaugh Effect

Some reporters have speculated about the impact of the "Limbaugh effect" -- partisan Republicans crossing over to vote for Hillary Clinton solely to help weaken the Democrats against John McCain. The sieze of the effect is hard to measure. But there is one numerical measurement, first pointed out to me by the Pew Survey's Richard Auxier following the Pennsylvania primary, that gives some sense of it.

One exit poll question asks Indiana voters who they would support in a Clinton-McCain contest. 17% of them say McCain. Of those voters, 41% say they would vote for McCain over Clinton. In other words, these voters, 7% of the Indiana electorate, voted for Clinton in the primary but have no intention of supporting her in the fall.

Now, this isn't a precise measure of the "Limbaugh effect" -- no doubt there are some Republicans who backed Obama in the primary out of anti-Clinton sentiment, but plan to vote for McCain in November. But it is a good place to start when making a ballpark estimate. And it's a sizeable number -- 7% may wind up being as big as her margin of victory."

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/05/06/measuring-the-limbaugh-effect.aspx

To say that Limbaugh is not part of the media because he doesn't claim to be a reporter makes little or no sense when he is known to have a huge audience and a substantial influence on the electorate. It's like saying the Drudge Report isn't part of the media, because Drudge doesn't have a hard copy outlet. So? It's still media.

Scott R.
May 15, 2008 5:18 PM

Ex,

You REALLY think Obama is going to do something for GLBT Americans? He'll sell them out the way you say the Clintons did. No proesident who wants to be a part of the mainstream wmove on gay rights.

Except he won't have a chance.

Because John McCain will be president. And that will be preferable to Obama.

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