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Kunstlercast/Small towns

Friday May 30, 2008

Categories: Decline and fall, Peak oil
I've been listening to James Howard Kunstler's podcast for a few weeks now, and it only occurred to me just now, sitting here with insomnia, that hey, I haven't even let CC blog readers know about it! Some of the...
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Irenaeus
May 30, 2008 7:08 AM

If one can handle the winters, North Dakota. Land is cheaper in the west than the east, since Fargo and Grand Forks are in the east (and the ugly part of Montana borders our west:)). A friend of mine is selling his family's farm house with about 40 surrounding acres for $120,000. Frankly, I'm tempted. Great soil, great people, if you can live without urban culture, and, again, handle the winters. But that can be managed with ice fishing, snow shoeing, cross country skiing, ice hockey, etc.

Mont D. Law
May 30, 2008 7:30 AM

Funnily enough Cuba already dealt with this and pretty successfully from all accounts. Which brings up questions of free vs command economies when it comes to dealing with environmental collapse. PBS did an hour on it.

I have a PDF file for reference, which I will post below.

"Cuba's economic development and ecosystem management was tied to its communist trading partners in Europe."

"But all this came crashing down along with the Berlin wall. The Soviet Union's demise, coupled with the U.S. embargo on trade with Cuba, devastated Cuba's economy and its farms. Food imports were cut 50%, and parts for tractors, chemical pesticides and fertilizers were no longer available. To avert widespread famine, Cuba had to figure out how to produce twice as much food with half the inputs. The answer: convert to organic farming. Cuba was in some ways well prepared to tackle such a change. In the 1980s Cuba had invested heavily in science, education, and agricultural research and development. In the 1990s fledgling Cuban alternative agricultural techniques were put to the test: biofertilizers, creative uses of soil amendments, intercropping, wastewater recycling for irrigation, biological pest controls. Though a transition to organic agriculture takes time, Cuba's 1996-97 harvest provided the country's highest-ever production levels for 10 of the 13 basic items in the national diet. There were some complaints of a lack of variety in the diet, but widespread famine was averted."

Mont D. Law
May 30, 2008 7:33 AM

pdf file - Cuban organic agriculture

pdf.wri.org/wr2000_agroecosystems_cuba.pdf

Roland de Chanson
May 30, 2008 7:39 AM

I might buy a farm in Canada. With global warming, the winters will soon be shorter and more tolerable. Maybe Québec. Of course, some cultural shock is to be expected. I'll have to learn to enjoy curling and bad French. My wife won't move so I am looking into the legal status of polygamy in Canada. I'll need more than one woman to pull those ploughs anyway.

Salamander
May 30, 2008 8:05 AM

I feel like where we are in New England is pretty well situated. Small town, walkable/bikable. Don't need a/c. We are on the coast, so fishing/clamming/lobstering is an option; about 1/4 mile from several quarries, so a fresh water source. We're on a hill so flooding is not a problem. Across the street from miles of woods, so could conceivably gather firewood for our woodstove. People have lived in this town for three hundred years, so I figure it is livable even without modern conveniences. Only thing is we don't have a lot of land; but there are enough hippie-types around here that we could probably organize a community farming venture and make it work.

The downside, of course, is that everything is frightfully expensive around here, the winters are long, and we are surrounded by liberals ;) Actually that last part doesn't bother me all that much, being that I am a *crunchy* con I get along with liberals surprisingly well.

B. Minich
May 30, 2008 8:15 AM

I'm personally thinking Frederick/Hagerstown, MD or Lancaster, PA. (Family's in Lancaster, I'm in Frederick.) Frederick is close to Washington, DC and Baltimore, and I think this area has the capability to produce a lot of food. Plus, you can get 1900-1950s style houses that have a decent sized yard for not too much money (relatively speaking for the area, anyway). Heck, go up 15 to Thurmont (near Camp David), which has bus service to Frederick, or down 340 to Brunswick, which has tons of houses on the market with yards and also has bus service to the local economic hub, Frederick. Plus, Brunswick has train service to DC.

Transit is, I think, going to become more important as gas continues to rise. Pooling resources is going to make travel affordable. In addition, if transit is funded in an adequate way, they can move quicker to new energy sources than individual consumers can.

Kevin Divine
May 30, 2008 8:33 AM

1. Not in Tornado Alley, which means not here in Arkansas, though you can get tornadoes anywhere

2. Someplace that has a winter, but not too bad, or some sort of summer mitigation like a nice river or lake.

Waco, maybe, Omaha, or Lincoln, Neb., or southern Iowa into northern Missouri.

The Man From K Street
May 30, 2008 8:52 AM

Northern Michigan.

Winters will get more tolerable if the warming trend holds. Sunny, pleasant summers. Gorgeous fall colors. Lots of hunting and fishing. Not extremely arable, but enough so to support a good network of farmer's markets and CSAs, and there is a solid SWPL foodie contingent up around Traverse City. They are even growing grapes and making wine now. Water will never be a resource concern. Midwestern, not Southern, so the natives are more usually Catholics or Lutherans than they are Baptists or snake-handlers, though as in Dixie there is an ambient level of Pentecostalism and assorted other non-mainline Protestants. And they are all so friendly! Very little racial tension, because everyone is white.

Downsides: Being at the end of a peninsula, it isn't on the road to or from anywhere, so it is kind of removed from prosperous trade routes. The mosquito is the official regional bird. Taxes are high. The local community governments and chambers of commerce are dominated by (I kid you not) Masonic lodges--possibly the last part of the western world where freemasonry really is the big power behind the scene (Given that the average lodge member's age is about 75, though, this issue may sort itself out naturally).

Karen
May 30, 2008 8:57 AM

You are reaching conclusions that are opposite the ones in "The Ghost Map" by Steven Johnson, regarding the sustainability of large cities. Health profiles have long been better in metropoli, and it's not safe to assume that cities produce more polutants or consume more enrgy for heating and cooling homes. Granted, Johnson wrote the book about a seminal episode in public health and the evolution of huge cities; it's not a technical book about energy use.

John E.
May 30, 2008 9:15 AM

Small town in East Texas

Bob
May 30, 2008 9:16 AM

East Texas has lots to commend it. Land is still relatively inexpensive, winters are mild, water is plentiful. Amtrak stops in Mineola, Longview, Marshall and Texarkana. We already have dozens of tomatoes on the vine, peppers, squash and strawberries in our big back yard. CSAs are starting to pop up in different areas too. Roadside produce stands are everywhere. Longview and Tyler have lots of medical facilities and U. of Texas. Canton has the biggest regular flea market in the state. Don Henley still plays at Music City Texas in Linden and Jefferson attracts thousands to Caddo Lake.

A lot of Kunstler's readers have been reading the Running on Empty lists for years now. Those who live in northern rural areas are already complaining about the amount of smoke in the air from fireplaces and wood boiler systems during the long winters.

In short, if you're moving to rural areas for local, agricultural reasons, the south has the longer growing seasons and better weather.

Anna
May 30, 2008 9:20 AM

Staunton - pronounced "StANton" by locals - is a pretty nice place. There is also a small ski area close by...but GW might wreck that. The Shenandoah Mountain park and Blue Ridge Parkway are also within easy distance. D.C. is less than 3 hours drive.

The downsides are few. If you are not a Southerner of a certain flag preference, you might have culture shock in the outlying areas. They do get heavy rain and flooding during the summer. And then there are some terrific ice storms during the winter...I'm talking inches thick. Not so fun to navigate through that in a mountainous terrain. Bugs. Lots of Bugs. And bears.

Daniel
May 30, 2008 9:22 AM

But isn't your carbon footprint LARGER in a rural place? You don't have mass transit, you don't have population density. You will have to drive EVERYWHERE. To sustain your own agriculture, you are going to have to have MORE gas-using vehicles focused only on your own needs or the needs of much smaller groups of people. You won't have the time to homeschool because you will be too busy trying to make a living in a small town and nurture your self-sufficiency, so you will have to drive your kids to school.

Your home will likely be bigger--thus more energy to heat and or cool--and you will have to have technology to maintain a career since everyone can't hunt and gather for a living.

I'm not seeing energy efficiency.

Arthur Andrews
May 30, 2008 9:23 AM

Karen,

But *The Ghost Map* concerns the very different circumstances of London in the 19th century. And -- ironically -- it was precisely the sorts of problems that Johnson describes (squalor, pollution, disease) that led to the emergence of suburbia in Britain and the rest of the industrial world in the decades after *The Ghost Map* is set. I don't dispute that it's worth considering models of sustainable urban as well as sustainable rural or small-town environments. But I think there is also a tendency to romanticize urban life in general -- and particularly a tendency to overstate the environmental sustainability of urban life -- that we need to resist if we are to think rigorously about what may need to be done to face the challenges that Rod describes, in the decades ahead. Too often environmental issues are used as merely one more stick with which urban "progressives" beat their "backward" peers in the small-towns and suburbia. Just as one example, there is a failure to factor in the environment impact of the transportation of goods on which urban life depends. Just because one doesn't drive to work doesn't mean that one's lifestyle is not contingent on oil-based transportation. It's just that what's being transported is not one's physical self, but rather the various goods on which one's physical self depends. An economic model in which manufacturing and agriculture are conducted locally is likely going to be the way to go, looking ahead. But that's a scenario that mitigates against the urban nostalgia of which Johnson partakes. Big cities are historical products of particular economic and technological contingencies. There's nothing to suggest that they are "the end of history," so far as human social structures go -- and much to suggest that they are not.

Sally
May 30, 2008 9:32 AM

I live near Staunton. I'm not sure I want all y'all coming here and cloggin the place up! ;-)

John E.
May 30, 2008 9:56 AM

Posted by: Daniel | May 30, 2008 9:22 AM

Daniel, that hasn't been my experience. The small town I live in is of a size that I walk to the local grocery store, hardware store, and post office. For individual family agricuture, hand tools are sufficient - maybe a once a year use of a gas powered tiller, homeschooling seems to be popular, but the local school district has bus routes that pick up the outlying kids, my house here is smaller than the one I had in the big city and it is cooled by two window units and heated by a Dearborn free standing natural gas heater. My electric bills are a third of what they were in the city.

rr
May 30, 2008 9:59 AM

Daniel,

I think small towns and rural areas would have some advantages in terms of energy use and leaving a carbon footprint. This is especially true in comparison to large metro areas like Dallas, Atlanta, and LA, where most people don't or can't use mass transit to begin with.
For example, I live in a small town surrounded by farmland located just outside the metro Atlanta area. Traffic isn't bad where I live, and people generally have a 10-20 minute commute in town or out to the country. Compare this to Atlanta, where commuters often spend an hour or more in their cars one way, and there is no question that people in my town do less driving on average. It's also much less stressful, and I thank God I live where I do every morning when I see the Atlanta traffic report on the morning news.
As for homes, you don't have to have a large home if you live out in the country. Many people in the country live in fairly ordinary homes. My grandmother lives in a farmhouse, and it's only a 3 bedroom. It's certainly smaller and more energy efficient than those McMansions in the suburbs. She is 88 now, so she doesn't do as much gardening as in the past. But in her younger years, she had a huge garden (corn, beans, tomatoes), all without a tractor or machine. She also used to raise chickens as well. One can also hunt and fish where she lives.
You may have point about large scale farming with tractors. But I'm not sure if Rod wants to become a full time farmer. If one simply wants to live in a small town or rural area and grow a good bit of ones food while holding down a regular job, however, I think it is very possible to reduce ones energy use and carbon footprint by doing this.

rr

P.S. Rod, why not just move back near family in LA?

MI
May 30, 2008 10:26 AM

permanently high fuel prices will of necessity shorten supply lines...we'll likely see more agriculture and manufacturing done locally, for local and regional customers, instead of for customers living thousands of miles away...it won't be so easy to bring cheaply manufactured crap to the US on boats and then onto trucks that are too expensive to operate.

I can see this happening to some extent. OTOH, for transporting goods:

1. One could electrify the rail lines, and use rail in lieu of trucking more often (e.g., for long hauls). IIRC, even diesel trains are more energy efficient than trucking.)

2. One can use hybrid (*) or electric (**) trucks for shorter hauls where rail is inconvenient.

Then you run these off nuclear-generated electricity, and/or (if you really, really, have to) oil shale & tar sands.

In general, the degree to which "relocalization" occurs would depend on how expensive the aforementioned solutions are vis-à-vis the costs (e.g., foregone gains from trade, inability to exploit comparative advantage & efficiencies from specialization) associated with producing everything locally. I can see peak oil generating some relocalization. How much depends on the balance between the two factors mentioned above.

As for shipping...AFAIK, the (ahem) bulk of international trade is maritime (not, say, airborne) - maritime transport is far more energy-efficient (in terms of ton-miles per unit energy) than either trucking or rail (***). I dislike dependence on Chinese imports, but I'm not sure peak oil would be sufficient to kill them off.


(*) fedex.com/us/about/responsibility/environment/hybridelectricvehicle.html

(**) peakoildebunked.blogspot.com/2007/12/320-electric-trucks.html

(***) peakoildebunked.blogspot.com/2005/08/55-will-peak-oil-make-long-distance.html

Kit Stolz
May 30, 2008 10:39 AM

Regarding Phoenix -- yes, go now. Water shortages and fire storms are all expected to worsen substantially in the near future, and the urban heat island effect could mean temperatures in the 130's in Phoenix within our lifetime. "Sky islands" that have been sanctuaries in Arizona for eons are on the edge, their residents imperiled. Humans, in contrast, can move relatively easily. Don't get stuck in an oven.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/27/us/27warming.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&sq=

http://select.nytimes.com/2007/06/16/opinion/16egan.html?scp=8&sq=egan+and+arizona&st=nyt

who knew
May 30, 2008 10:56 AM

We have a local talk jock who'd like to take about six or so nearby WNY counties and secede from the rest of NY. If he could pull that off, I'd stay right where I am, except a few miles farther out in the country. Failing that, I'm trying to talk my husband in to relocating to Moosonee, Canada. Don't ask me why, I just like the name.

The Brehan
May 30, 2008 11:05 AM

"It'll suck to be Wal-Mart, because it won't be so easy to bring cheaply manufactured crap to the US on boats and then onto trucks that are too expensive to operate." - RD

Below link is about WalMart the locavore:

http://money.cnn.com/2008/05/28/magazines/fortune/kapner_walmart.fortune/index.htm

Anonymous
May 30, 2008 11:45 AM

After learning about peak oil about 3 year ago, we moved to the outskirts of a small city (population 20,000) in upstate NY. Not far from Kunstler, actually. It's walkable, near a train line, has a waterfront and is commutable (2 hours) from NYC. Five to ten minutes out of the city you're in farmland. We have a lot of CSA's around these parts. Parts of it are somewhat economically depressed but we're hoping that as the cost of oil becomes prohibitive more folks will start moving here from the outlying areas.

bd_rucker
May 30, 2008 11:46 AM

After learning about peak oil about 3 year ago, we moved to the outskirts of a small city (population 20,000) in upstate NY. Not far from Kunstler, actually. It's walkable, near a train line, has a waterfront and is commutable (2 hours) from NYC. Five to ten minutes out of the city you're in farmland. We have a lot of CSA's around these parts. Parts of it are somewhat economically depressed but we're hoping that as the cost of oil becomes prohibitive more folks will start moving here from the outlying areas.

Doug
May 30, 2008 11:47 AM

We live in Hagerstown, MD, which is in the Allegany mountains about 70 miles northwest of D.C. WE have 4 acres and keep most of it wooded; we also have a large vegetable garden, which, when we built here 4 years ago, was mostly a hobby. Now we're serious about it, can a bunch of food every year, and are doing what we can to prepare to be self-sufficient and be able to survive with our kids and extended family should the need arise. We're not "black-helicopter" weirdos. We just think we're being prudent.

The added benefits are wonderful too: we spend time as a family outside DOING things; can't put a pricetag on that. We're passing on great lessons to our kids, both practical and those of a more character-building bent.

Our next big plan? We have the emergency generator; next come some solar panels for long-term use.

And while Hagerstown is becoming something of a DC/Baltimore fringe bedroom community, we're blessed with a large population of Mennonites who seem to be resisting the siren song of the builder's dollars.

Doug Cramer
May 30, 2008 12:23 PM

"Maybe, just maybe, it'll mean people don't have to leave their homes to make a living."

Um, Rod, don't know how to break this to you but a few years back a nice fellow named Al Gore invented this thing called the Internet and now millions of Americans don't have to leave their home to make a living, and the number is growing every day. [Sarcasm off.] It's one of the most significant social changes in our country - after talking to our local banker I estimated that as much as a third of my town works from home.

That's what's going to happen to all those new auto-dependent developments that we've talked about on the board. Eventually, companies all across the country are going to start paying people to work remotely from their apartments and homes in those developments instead of having to pay them more so they can afford the gas to drive to a big corporate office park that can't afford to keep the a/c going at full blast anyway.

We all know that perhaps as much of 50% of the office work done in America can easily be done from home. The barrier is social, not logistical or technological. The energy challenge is only going to make this change happen more rapidly. I expect the economies of cities like Dallas, Atlanta, and Hartford, with their huge numbers of suburban office parks and long commutes in tough weather, will look very different in another 5-10 years.

Why pay someone $40K for a glorified phone service job, if that's the market rate to make it worth an employee's expenses, when you can pay someone $25K to do it from home because they live in a state with a much lower cost of living? I expect this trend will help support the repopulation of more remote areas of America, where you can get a nice house, garden and broadband connection for half the price of the coasts. We've got plenty of those kinds of places in New Mexico, that's for sure! And they've all got small or abandoned Catholic churches that I expect will see some interesting futures.

Bless,
Doug

Marty
May 30, 2008 12:25 PM

No airport near Staunton? Au contraire. There is a little airport at Weyers Cave that handles those little planes (the puddlejumper things that seat maybe 30 people) that have hub service to larger airports. Also Charlottesville's airport is just 40 miles away.

I think Staunton has avoided the huge rapid uncontrolled growth of Harrisonburg (25 mi north, where I live) and is pretty nice but I don't know about the job market. I don't think it's real spectacular but unemployment is not too high.

One problem we have in Harrisonburg is all the people moving in and then we get ugly commercial strips that look like Northern Virginia and the housing costs go way up and its hard for the young people to afford a home. So it's ok if you guys come here to the Shenandoah Valley but not too many of you, OK?

Bob
May 30, 2008 12:43 PM

We all know that perhaps as much of 50% of the office work done in America can easily be done from home. The barrier is social, not logistical or technological.

Keep in mind that "office work" is just moving digital data around, not producing food or useful work. And all this "office work" comes with an environmental price tag, too. Desktop computers and peripherals use about 6% of all electricity used in the US, and half of that comes from coal. Some estimates have our IT infrastructure consuming 13% of all electricity in the US. That's more than a lot of small countries.

And all of the servers, peripherals, etc. produce heat, that require A/C to offset. And these computers have an average lifespan of 5 years.

Just a reminder; there's no free lunch, and you can't eat "office work."

The Man From K Street
May 30, 2008 1:03 PM

We all know that perhaps as much of 50% of the office work done in America can easily be done from home. The barrier is social, not logistical or technological.

And when you realize that your (and those of many others') pension plan is heavily invested in urban office building REITs, you may decide to reinforce those barriers. :)

Jason
May 30, 2008 1:12 PM

Perhaps, ironically, the suburbs could save the day. Suburbs have the infrastructure and the space to become villages. You have all these people who own (more or less) homes with yards--enough yard space to grow/raise lots of food as well as space to add on to houses to accommodate extended families.

Additionally, they are laid out well: small cul-de-sacs feed to neighborhood roads that feed to avenues that go to highways. That was put in place for driving, but will adapt well to public transportation: walk to the road, catch a microbus (electric) to the avenue, and a larger bus or train to . . . well. . . Move the jobs and grocery stores to the villages. That seems simpler than moving a bunch of people. I know that it is cheaper to build one big box store and make everyone drive to it but with projected radical economic changes that may, well, change. Put manufacturing (with green, smog-free technology) between these new villages and tie them altogether with public transportation. Figure out a way to invite people-with-melanin to the party.

The image of the suburb I am using here is what is typical for Kansas, which has terrible sprawl. But if we could turn the burbs in to villages, then that sprawl could suddenly become our low-density, sustainable, locally-based, economically-viable future.

Doug Cramer
May 30, 2008 1:45 PM

Bob: Yes, of course. But I don't think Rod was hypothesizing about a future where 80%+ of today's American information workers are needed in the fields. I'm sure home gardening will continue to grow in popularity. We're avid gardeners and vegetarians, and support our local farming community pretty heavily. New Mexico, due to it's low population density, is currently a state that can, in a pinch, do a lot to feed itself. Thank God.

K Street: Well, as a freelancer I have no pension and my future plans don't center on one. I definitely expect a lot of social turmoil though as all the folks whose future plans for their later years depend on resources that might not be there.

The flip side of building a stable life for oneself and one's family in these years, that perhaps we should talk more about on these threads, is that the folks who do succeed in living in and/or creating more stable communities/economies will need to be in the position to show a lot of charity to those who don't make out as well. My wife and I have started talking some about how after our kids are grown we may look at a smaller house on more land, where we could take in people if needed.

Bless,
Doug

MI
May 30, 2008 1:59 PM

Eventually, companies all across the country are going to start paying people to work remotely from their apartments and homes in those developments instead of having to pay them more so they can afford the gas to drive to a big corporate office park that can't afford to keep the a/c going at full blast anyway

I'm all for telecommuting, but not every job is telecommutable. See Table 739 of the Statistical Abstract; I could be wrong, but I suspect that many of those industries - e.g., construction, manufacturing, warehousing, transportation, wholesale/retail, food services - by their very nature require on-site work.

Others might be only partially amenable - e.g., in "Health care and social assistance", admin & home-health could telecommute, but you're still going to need social workers, clinics, & hospitals. Even totaling half that sector with all others except the above gives ~50 million, or a little less than half the workforce.

Of course, halving commuter passenger-miles would still reduce transportation energy consumption substantially.

Desktop computers and peripherals use about 6% of all electricity used in the US, and half of that comes from coal. Some estimates have our IT infrastructure consuming 13% of all electricity in the US.

If one is worried about CO2 from electrical generation, there's always nukes, or networks of wind turbines, or (eventually, long-term) solar PV. Also, many "telecommutable" jobs probably already utilize computers, and would probably involve substituting a PC at home for one at the office.

Erin Manning
May 30, 2008 4:29 PM

I think I'd pick--here. The outskirts of Fort Worth, outside loop 820. I'd probably sell our current house and head just a little way out into the country, nearer to the church we're going to.

We did the ultrarural thing when the kids were small, and it was awful. We lived in the car--there was no shopping, not even groceries, closer than about a 25 minute drive. For many things, including church, we drove an hour or more each way. The huge lawn took hours each weekend for my husband to maintain (we couldn't afford a riding mower) but wasn't feasible for much gardening (we were in a more mountainous region, and unless we could have afforded to have the yard terraced...etc.). The worst aspect was the septic tank, which we finally had to replace, erasing any hope that we would recoup what we put into the house by the time we sold it. Rural's all very well, but I'd never buy a house with a septic system again.

Of course, the Internet was pretty young when we were doing all this, and we didn't even own a home computer at the time. Now, with so much online shopping available, it's a lot more possible to live in the country and not spend weekends driving into the city to find, say, toddler shoes because your children have inherited narrow heels and can't wear either of the two styles featured in the local Wal-Mart (as in, "the shoes won't stay on" can't-wear, not some sort of snobbery about the selection--we didn't have time for that kind of thing).

One final thought--heat, even Texas heat, could stay manageable with fans, shade, appropriate attire, slowing down etc. But when it gets cold in North Dakota and you're dependent on heating oil to keep from quite literally freezing to death, it's another story.

Mike
May 30, 2008 5:24 PM

I'd have to vote for British Columbia, near Vancouver. The weather is mild with winters not to painful (for a californian at least) Fishing, agriculture are plentiful locally if transportation of goods becomes an issue. Canada is an oil exporter so I don't think they'll be derailed by price spikes, unlike countries having to import oil.

After saying all this I do believe a big push towards nuclear energy is critical. That and the use of liquified coal and natural gas for transportation fuels(rather than electrical generation) would negate much of the impact of peak oil.

Having a car that gets 50+ mpg would also go a long way to minimizing price shocks - my coworker just today was telling me his SUV gets ~ 12 mpg once he loads it up.

There is definitely room for improvement here.

Caroline
May 30, 2008 6:04 PM

The gated community is the butt of jokes but is the Benedict solution all that different?

I like the Booker T. Washington solution to put your bucket down where you are.

The devil known is better than the devil unknown.

If you own any property in a genuine city, think hard before you sell it to escape to the country because you will never be able to buy yourself back in. Consider at least selling it to a family member. You may yet need a refuge in the city. As the family in the city may need a refuge in the country.

If you and likeminded folk create a little paradise where you are going,
it will become valuable and others, government particularly, will hound you out of it.

For taxes. And for class envy. Anything lovely, beautiful, desirable you create will arouse cupidity and damn you among the rich.

The way of the future is not going to be nuclear families hopping here and there and growing vegetbles to feed themselves but extended families with branches here and there co-operating for the good of the clan.

And last platitude and advice from a 70 year old---everybody develop manual skills. Traditional guy skills and traditional gal skills and cross them over between the sexes.

And one more, develop a sense of beauty so you know how to make the humblest surrounding a work of art.

Erik Yourshaw
May 30, 2008 6:43 PM

Rod,
As a one income home schooling family with six kids living in Orange County, California, one of the most expensive housing markets around, this post really resonates. It has been a particular concern of ours that it will be a real challenge for our kids to stay living here as adults especially if they wish to live on one income, home school, and allow God to direct family size. As a Virginia native I would also love to move to the Shenandoah valley or there abouts...

AnotherBeliever
May 30, 2008 6:44 PM

Little Rock, AR. Most of my family's there is the main reason, and it's not terrible cold in winter. Plenty of rainfall. Few too many tornadoes and a bit warm in summer, but not as bad as, say, Kuwait.

AnotherBeliever
May 30, 2008 6:56 PM

Caroline, what beautiful advice. Thank you for that! I have noticed that the traditional arts are making a comeback. I've taken up knitting, and now I want to learn gardening. I want my place, however small, to be beautiful and fertile and brimming with life and art. I loved the pictures Mr Dreher posted of Skyfarm.

You are quite right about the nuclear families - it will not be tenable forever. It is high time to settle near those men and women who have to lend a hand. Iraq may be a little too nespotic, but there's something to the concept of senior members of a family taking care of junior members, and those who have the natural gifts to make it in life helping those who've not done so well.

Maybe all will end in darkness and chaos and the Apocalypse. But I hope it we will have the freedom to choose more wisely, and I can see a future like that as being better than what we have now. We'll not be mere consumers, but family members, workers, and producers. Kids and adults alike will have to use their ingenuity, to improve their lives as well as to entertain themselves. Don't get me wrong, there are many things in today's society it would be painful to do without, but we might be able to make things work.

Daniel Nairn
May 30, 2008 7:44 PM

It's pretty clear that major metro areas have smaller footprints per capita than rural areas and small towns. But, of course, that says nothing about the individual lifestyle that you choose to live. I just don't know too many small towns that are not heavily dependent on the automobile.

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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