Let's kill all the pit bulls
Another day, another pit bull attack: ABILENE, Texas -- A 7-year-old boy died after he was attacked by pit bulls while playing outside near his rural home, authorities said. A driver saw Tanner Joshua Monk of Breckenridge lying next to...
You are right on the money. Every last one on the face of the earth should be killed. Make 'em extinct.
To paraphrase McLuhan, who said a car is clothing, for some people, an aggressive pit bull is like certain kinds of clothing (black leather jacket, perhaps) or tattoos--a way of saying "I'm a tough guy."
Clothing and tattoos, of course, don't bite.
I hear reports about deaths from gunshot wounds all the time too, do you suggest we take away everyone's gun? (Sorry couldn't resist)
I'm not saying that there isn't inherited aggressive behavior in pit bulls, but I think the bigger problem is people who raise them to be attack dogs. Mastiffs, dobermans, rottweilers (sp?) and bulldogs all have aggressive tendencies but people aren't training them to be attack dogs, or for dog fighting on the same scale of pit bulls. People like Mike Vick are the problem, not the breed of dog.
Personally I prefer border collies and black labs myself.
Chris
I vote kill them all. They serve no ecological function unlike say, a shark. They also provide no good to society.
I support Project Pit Bull Extinction.
I don't think an outright ban is the solution. I think the problem has been uncontrolled breeding mainly for the aggressive and ruthless traits needed for drug dealer gaurd dogs and/or dog fighting. These traits have also bled into dogs who haven't received such training and aren't kept for that purpose. As a result, all those dogs out there kept as family pets with unknown pedigrees can be the product of any number of lines of fighting dogs. As such they are all potentially ticking time bombs.
For all those people who love pit bulls and have kept them as pets without incident for years, I don't want to see the breed die out. I think the solution is to outlaw their breeding by anyone except licensed and responsible breeders who would have to agree to certain standards and practices in order to get that license. On the other hand, I would make it illegal, effective immediately, to own a pit bull who has not been sterilized. Punishments could range from heavy fines to confiscation and mandatory spaying or neutering before the returm of the animals. All aggressive dogs kept for such traits would be banned and if necessary destroyed upon investigation by the authorities who would be empowered to do so based only on citizen complaint rather than waiting for such animals to kill or maim first.
This kind of law would not only allow only responsible breeding (sales and registration would only be allowed again once the bad traits had been bred out. If it takes decades then so be it) it would end the breeding of aggressive dogs and eliminate immediately the ones most likely to attack.
" people aren't training them to be attack dogs, or for dog fighting on the same scale of pit bulls."
People who engage in dog fighting select pit bulls because they are a) strong as hell and b) aggressive as hell. There is a baseline level of aggression in a pit bull that can be ameliorated but never, never eliminated.
I concur: Kill em all, God will know his own.
I'm thinking mandatory prison terms and loss for life of the right of an owner or anyone in his/her household to own one of these dogs if the dog ever harms someone. Put the faces of the owners of pit bulls who injure others on the front page. Journalistic coverage could make the trials high-profile. That sort of thing. The pleaders for these dogs should have no problem with laws of this sort because they are such fine, careful people and their dogs are just dears. But the social exposure for those who have pit bulls who do such harm should be very high. The victims of their dogs appear disproptionately to be children and elderly people.
How did a golden retriever get itself in that list? They are about the nicest, friendliest dogs around. Surprising.
PS. Eventually, it would be illegal to own an unregistered pit bull without a pedigree from a licensed breeder.
It is not the breed it is the owner. Make 'em accountable, in criminal and civil court. If you have a loaded gun and behave negligently, (i.e. leaving it out where a kid could play with it), you should and probably are held accountable for your negligence. Why not the same with respect to a dangerous animal? The breed is not dangerous, but the way they are trained and treated makes them so. Jail and multi-million dollar settlements will fix the problem, whereas outlawing the breed will just result in another new breed becoming what today's pit bulls are, and it will again be the result of trainers and owners.
So, charge 'em, sue 'em and make it so bad to have your rogue animal attack someone that people will modify their own behaviour. If insurance companies make attacks by pets upon third parties an exclusion from home owner liability coverage just watch how fast a lot of people resist the urge to have attack dogs.
Outlawing pit bulls is not comparable to outlawing guns. A gun will not, of its own volition, race out an open door and attack a little girl. Pit bulls can, do, and have.
I like Peggy's solution, but I would add strict requirements that pit bull owners keep them in secure cages and be subject to felony prosecution if the dog attacks anyone.
A friend of mine has two pit bulls, and he insists they are the nicest dogs in the world. It's all in the breeding and the proper training; unfotunately, most are bred to be fighting dogs. Saying "Kill 'em all!" is pretty stupid and narrow-sighted.
Chris,
Problem with the argument is that your guns don't take a walk on its own. Aggressive dogs can escape and harm others.
Someone mentioned Golden Retrievers... I have met several insane goldens, too. Now mind you I don't believe in killing them all, but you must realize that dogs are animals. They are not people.
Finally I had to put my 15 year old Border Collie Mix down six weeks ago. He was getting aggressive toward the neighborhood kids, and to my 18 month old son. I loved my Dog, but I love my son more.
We now have another boarder collie mix and he is a love. But if he goes aggressive on the kids, you will bet that I will not hesitate to have him put down too.
Do sharks perform an ecological function? I think we should take them out too. And bears. And poisonous spiders and snakes and mosquitoes. I'm glad to see the polar bear may be getting his comeuppance.
Oh please Loudon. Not that I necessarily agree with Rod's plea, but what function do pit bulls serve that other breeds do not?
Um, I think I said in the body of the post that I didn't really believe in killing all the pit bulls. But I do believe in banning the breed. Maybe it ultimately amounts to the same thing. Mandatory spaying or neutering all those that exist now, and if you don't follow suit, then you get your pit euthanized.
I'm of the opinion that owing a dog should be akin to owning a gun, and someone who owes a dog that harms people should be treated the same as someone who'd left a machine gun laying on a kitchen table with the safety off and it went off and sprayed the neighborhood kids.
There are dangerous and less-dangerous dogs and guns, and there are responsible owners of both sorts of both things. Sadly, while the irresponsible dangerous gun owner tends to end up in prison, the irresponsible dangerous dog owner just has their dog killed.
I think all dangerous dogs near other human beings should, frankly, be found and the owners notified that they cannot keep a dog like that. I think going by breed isn't the way to go...the way to go is simply open up the cage, let them off the lease, and see if they bite a test person. The concept of 'breed' is iffy in the first place and training is just as important as genetics, so let's just wait until someone complains about an overly aggressive dog and then see if it will actually attack someone.
Do sharks perform an ecological function? I think we should take them out too. And bears. And poisonous spiders and snakes and mosquitoes. I'm glad to see the polar bear may be getting his comeuppance.
While we're at it, can we get rid of fire ants and no-see-ums too?
Ditto DavidTC
Liberty of ownership means liability for your private property.
When we lived in Germany, owners had to keep 'em leashed and muzzled. When you're out with an animal looking like Hannibal Lector, folks soon associate the kind of dog with the kind of owner: pimp, ethnic gang members and other shady businessmen, who use their "moveable asset" to intimidate "clients."
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My caveat: first we ought enforce the laws we already have:
And for municiple taxpayers, another consideration:
quoted in www_city-journal_org/html/9_2_scared_of_pit.html
And for the pet lovers, remember just how lethal these wild creatures really are:
cited from www_edba_org_au/courier.html
Pit bulls are not any naturally occurring breed of species that deserve any special protection. If left alone to randomly breed ALL dogs would revert to just "dog" and most of the variety in size, appearance, and temperment would soon disappear, at least from one continent to the next. Pit bulls are just another breed artificially created by humans, and if they show themselves to be dangerous and harmful in outcome we should have no problem reversing the decision and eliminating them.
When people living in cities and towns have to be afraid in their own neighborhoods of being threatened and attacked by animals, or having their children dragged away and torn apart by animals, this is no longer civilization (you know, what we achieved by settling this wild land and creating centres of population as pockets of safety from the dangers of wilderness) and I think any means necessary should be permitted to eliminate the threat.
Children are not the only ones at risk. In our area (southeast Michigan), pit bulls attacked and killed an older man taking a walk on his rural road. In the same community, some pit bulls got out and killed a pet horse. The county humane society is considering a policy to euthanize any pit bull that comes to the shelter (they are worried, of course, about liability). My neighbor is a backyard breeder of pit bulls, so there are always 2-8 pit bulls around. They are usually tied up, and I haven't seen any aggression from them, but I am very nervous about letting our kids play in our own fenced yard. I have no doubt that the dogs could get into our yard if they were motivated.
So, yeah, I hate pit bulls, but if the breed is banned then the folks who breed them for their aggressive tendencies will just move on to corrupt some other breed.
Uh, Jacobus, I think you think I was making a reductio ad absurdum argument against Rod's contention. I was not. And I would add fire ants. And killer bees. And I've got my eye on orca if he gets uppity.
Perhaps we can round up all the pits and all the homosexuals and put them together. The most aggressive pits will help cull the gay population and all the rest will get to enjoy that hot man on animal action you're so worried that gay marriage will lead too.
Rod, could you actually pick out pit breeds from look-alikes?
Homo homini lupus est. "Man is the wolf of man."
Perhaps they should be eradicated first.
Kill these dogs, I live in a inner city neighborhood where the ownership of these monsters seems to require a room temperature I.Q. Some hero should wander down alleys flicking poisoned meat over fences and sliding muffled .45's through fences and blasting away. Pit bulls are trash and usually so are their owners.Thankfully my city is getting aggressive about confiscating and euthanizing them, and requiring owners to carry insurance.A dead pit-bull, is the best pit-bull.
The argument that it's not the breed won't cut it. I have yet to hear of an innocent child being attacked in her own yard by roving Basset Hounds. Chocolate Labs miss out on that particular headline, too, as do Dachshunds, Beagles and Cocker Spaniels. However, the canine pal trotting beside the head-shaven, tatted up, car on blocks tweaker is always, always a Pit Bull. Gee, why would the speed-addled and criminal invariably want a Pit Bull? Maybe it's something about the breed?
Scott, Labs definitely can and have inflicted serious damages. Locally, we had one that took part of the face off a child in an unprovoked attack. Many of the smaller breeds are nasty fear biters. There are no 'safe' breeds per se. 'Safe' dogs, but not breeds.
I wouldn't object to making it illegal to breed a Pit Bull. My cousin acquired a Pit Bull when he married a woman who owned one. It's a really pretty dog, but I found it frightening to be around a dog that was so powerful and has the reputation for being unpredictable. It's scarier than a Doberman, Shepherd, or Rottweiler, and they can be pretty scary dogs. My cousin isn't smart enough to move the dog to another room when he has visitors(even young children), so I no longer visit.
I don't know what you do about the mixes. I'm all in favor of holding the owners accountable with very heavy penalties if their dog injures or kills a person. If my neighbors had a Pit Bull(or any other mean dog) and weren't responsible in keeping it locked away, I'd take care of the problem all by myself.
The argument that it's not the breed won't cut it...However, the canine pal trotting beside the head-shaven, tatted up, car on blocks tweaker is always, always a Pit Bull. Gee, why would the speed-addled and criminal invariably want a Pit Bull? Maybe it's something about the breed?
You seem to be in a catch-22 with those statements. I will agree, they, like any other working bred dog are very high energy, they feed off their owners energy.
And it's pretty insane that "animal rights" has so overtaken western societies that it's even a debate whether or not you can kill an animal that comes up to you threateningly or aggressively, limits your freedom of movement or causes you to honestly fear for your safety or that of your children. Just insane that these menacing creatures, whatever breed of dog they may be, are given any protection under the law or awarded any vengeance under the law through fines or jail if you eliminate them.
What a strange set of priorities our governing class has. They will ban smoking just about everywhere using the slimmest of evidence about the purported dangers of second-hand smoke. But when a real menace to our health and safety emerges, namely the epidemic of pit bull attacks, they have nothing to say.
And I for one welcome our new pitbull overlords...
Seriously, I'm for putting down all pit bulls and their owners.
I love dogs, and I hate to condemn an entire breed; but pit bulls seem to attract the very worst sorts of dog owners and dog breeders.
ANY dog can be a danger, if it is not properly socialized and trained. A poorly-bred, unsocialized, untrained, unloved Labrador retriever who is kept chained in a yard with no opportunity to play will likely become a nasty, aggressive dog as well. However, the sort of people who want a Labrador retriever are usually not the same people who want a vicious guard dog. I've seen pit bull pups advertised as "Extra Vicious!" so clearly the breeders are not targeting those in the market for a gentle family pet.
I certainly agree that little lap dogs are often the most foul-tempered beasts around -- but an eight-pound Chihuahua is a lot easier to control than a sixty-five pound pit bull.
There are aggressive, bad-tempered dogs in every breed, especially in the popular (and thus over-bred) breeds like Goldens. However, bad temperment is a lot more likely with a breed like pit bulls who have been bred specifically for aggression (traditionally, they were bred for aggression only towards other dogs as befits fighters, but in recent years they have been bred by idiot breeders for human aggression as well) as well as being very insensitive to pain. It takes a LOT of socialization and a very experienced, dominant owner to create a well-trained, well-behaved pit bull -- whereas a dog that has been bred for gentleness and non-aggressiveness like a golden retriever, beagle, etc., is a lot easier to train and socialize, even for a novice. An poorly-trained beagle, for example, is likely to steal food, ransack trashcans, howl, and be a general nuisance, but they are very seldom vicious.
I do know some very responsible pit bull owners, who socialize their dogs well, train them and exercise them; but I have also seen even well-trained, well-socialized pit bulls get nasty in circumstances where most dogs wouldn't. I do not allow my dog (a beagle/coonhound mix) to play with pits and I don't like my kids to pet them, either.
I don't think an outright ban is the solution. I think the problem has been uncontrolled breeding mainly for the aggressive and ruthless traits needed for drug dealer gaurd dogs and/or dog fighting. These traits have also bled into dogs who haven't received such training and aren't kept for that purpose. As a result, all those dogs out there kept as family pets with unknown pedigrees can be the product of any number of lines of fighting dogs. As such they are all potentially ticking time bombs.
Exactly right.
There's a wonderful story on the "Best Friends" website (an animal shelter out west) about the pit bulls that were taken from Michael Vicks' property and placed with the shelter to see if they could be rehabilitated. Best Friends is doing a wonderful job in turning them around and but for a few that had to be euthanized due to aggression issues, not surprising considering how they were treated, they are doing very well.
When my husband was still active in the police department he encountered many different breeds of dogs, including pit bulls. His view was that since all dogs have teeth all dogs can bite. Unfortunately Pit Bulls have become the "status symbol" for ignorant young men who think they look macho with a pit bull on the end of a chain link "leash". People are what ruin dogs by poor breeding, lack of socialization and abuse.
Remember Petey, the friendly Pit Bull on the Little Rascals ?
Buster Brown's dog Tag, Petey from The Little Rascals, The RCA dag Nipper were all American Staffordshire Terriers, aka Pit Bulls. These dogs can be found in many photographs from the 1850's through the 1950's with children. These dogs were nicknamed "nanny dogs" because of that. When the breed was brought to the American frontier they were highly valued for their protective qualities. They have one of the lowest innate tendencies to attack humans of all dog breeds.
If you take away these dogs from their owners they will change back to Dobermans or find some other breed like the Irish Wolfhound. Heaven help us if these owners find out about the Catahoula. That is the toughest, scrappiest, meanest dog on the planet. The Spanish Conquistaroes war dogs, genetically similar to the Dalmation, bred with the native american dogs to produce this breed. They might not have the psi bite of a Pit, but they are smart and nasty and fearless.
Once again, a bunch of liberals who cannot see the root of the problem. You guys are just a bunch of hatin racists actin like the man who wants to take away one of the simple pleasures of life for the socially downtrodden, like makin babies.
As a triathlete who spends a lot of time out on the open road on my bike or running, I hate all dogs who are not on a leash or in a fenced yard. I think all dogs who cannot take the command "sit" on cue should be euthanized. All dogs can be trained to be good citizens. If you own a dog who cannot walk next to you on heel through a park, then you should be trained to learn how to train your dog to do so. Guess what the #1 dog for dog bites is.....Cocker Spaniel. My son has a scar on his neck from an attack from a .......Lab. I have a scar on my butt from an attack as a young boy from a ......Poodle.
Guess what the #1 dog for dog bites is.....Cocker Spaniel. My son has a scar on his neck from an attack from a .......Lab. I have a scar on my butt from an attack as a young boy from a ......Poodle.
Yup. Two dogs that have been ruined by puppy mills and overbreeding. Some of the best and friendliest dogs I knew growing up were Cocker Spaniels.
You are also entirely correct about the responsibility to properly train one's dog(s) and keep them under control at all times. My husband and I lost our purebred Chow at age 12 in January. The veterinarians we took him to always made us proud with their comments about how friendly and well-behaved he was.
Know what one of my chief grouses is? The number of dogs that are dumped at shelters because people really don't educate themselves as to what their responsibility is (to themselves, their dog and the community) and the requirements for taking a dog into the home. Then they take him to the local shelter and make them do the dirty work for for them.
My veterinarian's chief grouse is people who get a dog "until the kids come along" and then it's time to dump the dog because the folks just really don't have time to take care of it anymore. But then, that's our disposable society, isn't it?
Yup.
Yes, I cannot deal with those people who get a dog, don't bother to train it at all, and then dump it at the shelter because it jumps up, barks too much, chews, poops in the house, chases cars, etc.
I also have a huge problem with the puppy mills and pet stores that breed with no thought given to temperment, health, and matching dogs with responsible owners; and with those breeders who breed dogs with nasty temperment because that's what sells (Joe Thug, upon looking for a dog to guard his crystal meth operation or crack house, does not look for a calm, well-adjusted dog -- he looks for the nastiest Rottweiler or pit bull he can find).
And the hunters who dump the dogs who don't live up to their standards by the side of the road; and the people who cannot be bothered to get their cat spayed so she produces three litters of kittens a year which they then dump somewhere...eeeegggh, don't get me started on people who are cruel to animals!
Rod, as is often the case with you, this post is flawed because you allow your feelings to guide you in everything. The problem isn't pit bulls, it's poor people. Poor people screw everything up that they touch, and in this case they're touching dogs (by which I mean, owning pit bulls). They eat horrible food, feed their children horrible food, have horrible, dyfunctional friends, score horribly high on all social indicators (literacy, employment, divorce, crime, single-parent households, # of children, teen pregnancy, etc.). They set terrible examples for their children, guaranteeing that their dysfunctions will be passed right along to the next generation. Read this:
http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/05/18/the-politics-of-human-capital/
So fine: take away their pit bulls. That link you provided says it'll save the lives of an average of 3 people per year. Let's multiply that by 100, though, because you're just _so_ distressed by this problem: 300 people a year would not be killed by pit bulls!
Who the hell cares? Are you going to ban everything that kills more than 100 people per years? Do you have any idea how long that list would be? All the white trailer trash and all the black inner-city dwellers who are owning these dogs and being killed by these dogs will still be dying prematurely in droves, either from poor health or from violence.
Two caveats about the above: I say "Poor people screw everything up that they touch," Yes, yes, thank you all very much, not all poor people are the way I go on to describe them. But OF the people who match the description I provide, the vast majority of them are poor. Re-jigger the sentence as you like, if you like. Second, I say "all the [poor people] who are owning these dogs and being killed by these dogs..." Again, yes, yes, thanks, I know there are exceptions -- like when Calvin Klein's pit bull mauled Richard Gere's son in Pound Ridge, Westchester.* But the vast majority of cases are as I describe them.
To end where I began: Rod, you're an infuriatingly frustrating analyst! Everything you choose to cover, and all your positions, are complete creatures of your gut reactions! ~>:[
* This did not happen.
Just one note to add to all those who have zero tolerance for pit bulls. I used to be in your camp until I befriended an abused pit bull puppy in my neighborhood. I approached him only because of his age and because he was so scrawny. He was so starved for kindness just like any puppy would be in his situation. He looked up at me with his warm puppy eyes and wagged his tail.
That was the last time, I blindly hated all pit bulls. (Afterwards, I learned about Mercy, another local pit bull who died after being set on fire. Her sad face was just unforgettable. At no point even in her pain was she aggressive according to her care givers.) Now I am no fool. I would not have one in my home given the unpredictability of the breed. I would not hesitate to report one to animal control if it was loose in the neighborhood even if I knew it might be euthanized if taken to the shelter. I would not enter a home if they kept a pit bull in anything other than a fully enclosed kennel and kept by an experienced and responsible owner. As they are today, they are just too dangerous to be handled any other way.
But when I think of that puppy I know it doesnt have to be that way. As an animal lover, I just can't see any animal breed, subject to human meddling both good and bad, as wholly bad and completely unreedeemable. If humans made pit bulls bad in the first place, we can make them good again. If other gaurd type dogs like dobermans and Rotties can be both protective and trustworthy companions then so can pit bulls if given a chance.
And in case you are wondering, I do not know what happened to the puppy. After I reported his owners several times for neglect and for breaking the leash law in Dallas, he disappeared. I just hope the shelter took him. I just couldnt do more. I couldnt take him and there arent many places for pits to go besides to a shelter.
Anglican Peggy, you are a wise and compassionate person.
i found this article and want to share it. it was written by two individuals at the end.
“They tell you they are evil and only owned by people who deal drugs, only to be violent and hurtful towards people, but pit bull owners know different.”
I am writing this letter in reference to last week’s article in the paper about Scott Nelson and council, and last week’s “question of the week” and to everyone who responded as well.
I am ashamed that our mayor and council had the inconsideration to state that pit bulls, and just pit bulls are drug dogs.
I am a proud owner of two wonderful pit bulls and I would like to give the City of Williams lake a little insight to the history of the American pit bull terrier.
To start, pit bull is not a breed of dog, it is a term typically used to group three breeds of dog, The American pit bull terrier, American Staffordshire and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier.
Pit bulls have no control of what happens to them. They are trained to fight and left for dead. These dogs are never given the chance to live with love and decency. Some people only want to see pit bulls behind bars, or worse, dead. But when did it become guilty before proven innocent? When did it become OK to kill puppies all because of who their parents were? Or simply for what breed they look like? When did it become OK to hear of an abused pit bull, and think it deserved it?
Yes, pit bulls have attacked and killed humans. But you’d be fooled to think that only pit bulls are capable of this. In the U.S., a Pomeranian killed a six-week old infant.
Every year, 440,000 people die due to cigarettes; 40,000 people die in car related accidents; 38,000 people die in gun shot related injuries; 2,000 children killed by their own parents; and three are killed by dogs.
So where does the real epic lie?
We need to stop punishing the wrong side of the leash. It’s the people who train the dogs to behave like this to be aggressive and mean, and it’s you who makes us believe it was the dog.
Pit bulls have been a popular breed for ages. Helen Keller, Theodore Roosevelt and Michael J. Fox were all (APBT) owners. (And I am almost positive they were not drug dogs). Three pit bulls helped find the astronauts from the 2003 space shuttle disaster. One of the most respected U.S. customs drug sniffing dogs is a pit bull.
Any dog can be trained to be aggressive. Pit bulls passed the temperament test with flying colours — 83.5 per cent when Chihuahua’s passed with less than 72 per cent.
Banning breeds only hurts families. You wouldn’t want a beloved member of yours being taken away simply because of the way they looked, would you?
I am a very strong believer that pit bulls are wonderful dogs in the hands of responsible owners, just like any other breed. As with any dog there will always be irresponsible owners and poorly bred dogs. That does not mean that all of these dogs are evil.
Humanity is the evil one when it comes to pit bulls. Because what man doesn’t understand man fears, and what man fears, man destroys.
Veronica Tate
Williams Lake
Once again, leave it to some one who doesn't know exactly what a "pitbull" really is to jump on the "kill" band wagon and spout off about something they know nothing about. For the record, most of the dogs involved in attacks on humans are of mixed breed origin. The fools who own and raise these dogs for agression cannot usually afford a real pit. As an NKC Breed Inspector, I watch all of the pics and videos of these dogs, and I can assure you they are not real pits! For one thing...it is genetically impossible to have an all white pitbull! So there go half the theories that they are all pits! And only a DNA test can prove a dog's true heritage. It is racial profiling (yes, just like with humans) to pick any dog off the street with a bully face and "ass-ume" that it is a pit. We have run profiling tests in several states with several animal control agencies to see how accurate they are in identifying breeds they pick up. When bringing in 6 to 10 dogs for them to examine, they are only 1% accurate! Most animal control agencies do not have the resources for training and are very limited in their knowledge of breed specifics. (not the individual's fault). The attack on the 7 year old were of mixed breed origin. NOT PITBULLS! Our time, money and resources, including legislation, should be geared to prosecuting individuals who perpetuate fighting in dogs and those who do not properly fence or contain them and of training the public, including your self, about what a pitbull really is! The biggest joke in the US right now is Breed Specif Legislation or BSL. The general public believes in eradicating a particular breed they will be safer. It is the exact opposite. When you remove one breed, the profitiers will bring in another breed to replace it, sometimes worse than the first one. We are allowing the importation of breeds including South America and South Africa, who have semi-wild, barely domesticated breeds for our so-called "designer" breeds. These dogs have not been domesticated through enough generations to curb their natural aggressive tendencies. The importers know this and continue to do so. Is this then the breed's fault, or human fault! Maybe we should start profiling these offenders! Get a life and do your homework before you open your stupid mouth!
Rod,
You have some valid concerns here. You also have a phobia. The latter causes you to take positions about the former that do not represent you at your analytical peak. You might want to lay off the topic, IMHO.
I feel like if you'd spend some time with Ernie, my former-stray rat terrier from the mean streets of Old East Dallas, you'd conclude that dogs are not the worst things since the Enlightenment. He would lick you into submission. :)
Anyone who would suggest killing pit bulls is just to stupid to live themselves!!! and ought to be put out of their idiotic misery. I have rescued animals of all kinds for over 20 years and have spent a ton of my own hard earned money to do so. Many of these animals have been pit bulls wandering the streets trying to figure out this pathetic race of individuals called humans who take them in only to abuse them in so many ways. 95% of all the pits I have rescued were full grown adult dogs. I have plucked them off of freeways,roads and even yards where I knew for a fact that they were being used for no good. "EVERYONE" of these dogs was nothing but gentle and starved for love. Yes, I was afraid at first because of all the bad press on these animals but I prayed to God to honor what I was trying to do for them instead of just letting these animals be hit and killed or abused. God did honor my prayers. Not one of them ever tried once to attack me. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt, everyone of these dogs knew that my purpose for them was to help them and give them a far better life than the garbage that was dealt them. These pit bulls get a bad rap because IDIOTS like you keep pepetuating these false myths about them. If you abuse any dog or animal eventualy they are going to become aggressive, thats just their defense mechanism.If you were forced to fight for your very life I don't think you would sit by idly and let someone pummel you.Then again with your ridiculous comments, who knows.Don't fault this breed because of it's strength, many large dogs are powerful and would react the same way if put in the same position and circumstances pit bulls are. Listen people, Animals behave according to the way they are raised up just like humans and yet animals are the innocent ones. It's people who ruin most everything they put their hands to, so don't blame animals. God gave us these precious gifts(animals) to love and care for as friends and companions to us."EVERYONE" should honor that!!!
Nowadays people can treat their pets like children. And, unfortunately, it can blind them to the fact that their pet is not a child but an animal and animals can be even more unpredictable than human beings. Personally, I am always very cautious around dogs and have a grave concern about certain breeds including pitt bulls, dobermans, and rottweilers. I certainly don't think running out and killing all of them makes any sense, but I also don't think many owners of these breeds properly understands them or cares for them with the proper precautions.
It is foolishness to outlaw certain breeds of dogs. It would be much better to restrict who can own them. Perhaps psychological testing of the Michael Vicks of the world before they can own a dog would be a good place to start.
My wife and I recently took in a stray mutt (more than likely a beagle/dachshund mix). Initially we were looking for the owners, as we live in an apartment and already own a 67 lbs Boxer (another breed that people sometimes freak out about, despite their very pleasant disposition). When we contacted the humane society, they discouraged us from searching for the owner--and particularly from posting any descriptions of the dog because the wrong person "might claim her for Pitt Bull bait." Do I blame the Pitt Bulls for that? No... they're victims of human sin. It's the humans who deserve punishment.
Another comment...
A friend of my father's had his grandson attacked and nearly killed by a Pitt Bull several years ago. Upon further investigation it was shown that the owner of the dog kept him chained in the back yard, fed him irregularly and put various things in his food to keep his stomach irritated in order to make him more angry/aggressive. It also came out that the man was using a stick to taunt the dog for the same purpose in order to use him in dog fighting. When the dog got loose from the chain because his collar broke, he attacked the first two-legged thing he saw, which happened to be this innocent child. But it wasn't the dog's fault... it's just too bad his owner wasn't around at the time to get a bit of his own medicine.
I must say there is a lot of fear of and hatred towards pit bulls. I used to be fearful of them. I am actually fearful of any dog I don't know. I have two dogs; one a jack russell/cattle dog mix and one pit bull, both females. We had the pit bull since she was a puppy and we love her. She is actually a very sweet dog. She is loved and gets plenty of positive attention (very spoiled). Both dogs get along, although I do not leave them alone unattended. People that own dogs, no matter what breed must be responsible, after all, they are animals. They can be great companions and love you unconditionally.
It's sad and disheartening to hear all these stories about pit bull attacks, but unfortunately, ANY dog is capable of attacking.
You are an idiot you know that! People who make comments like you are scum and in all reality Pit Bulls (as stated previously) are animals, what's your excuse?? Maybe people like you are the ones who should be exterminated, did you ever consider that!
Pitbulls are not at fault but the owners. You can make any dog mean. Many people get these dogs for all the wrong reasons. They werent made to be put in a cage and fight till their death ,or to be abused. Its people like this that gives pits the bad rap. They are amazing dogs.
I recent'ly had a pit bull attack in which i was playing baseball very far away from the dog and the dog came out and started chasing me.
luckily i escaped because i started running for my bat and threw balls at him.
After the owner came
(she's my neighbor)
she apoligized and i took her apoligy
i think that if a dog can't be trained.
it doesn't deserve to live
I have a Pitt bull that is 2 years old. I've had him since he was a puppy. He is the sweetest dog that wouldn't hurt a fly. Many people make assumptions on pitt bulls because unfortunately there are many idiots out there who use them for fighting. Any dog can be made into an aggressive animal that will attack. I've been bitten by a poodle, so I must ask this question; do all poodles deserve to die? No dogs are born mean or born to attack they are trained that way. There are plenty of humans who are murders and know better, should we all die? Anyone who can't see both sides is an idiot.
Have you ever looked up the stats on how many people (to include children) have gotten killed or injured by Pits VS German sheppards, great danes, bull dogs, any other breed. Doubt it! Your an idiot and an ignorant one at that! look your shit up dummy!!
i agree with you completely. something needs to be done against these dogs. innocent people are being harmed and it is out of control. people who don't have kids really just don't get it.
My daughter was chased by a pit bull two days ago in Pflugerville. It had chewed its way out of the back yard fence. She called 911 and then me. I got there first and the pit bull =ran from me and my ax handle before I could kill it. Our lazy assed cops did not do a thing about the dog and it was the 3rd time fir this dog to be loose.
I totally agree with jessic. you sound like a republican, think you know what you are talking about but are ignorant as hell. the reason you hear about pitbull "attacks" is because thats all the media reports on. my stepson was bit by a cocker spaniel and required over 100 stitches on his face and yet that was not in the news. my cousin was bit by a chow/german shepard mix and that was not reported by the media either. ALL dogs can bite, if the media reported on all of them very few would be pitbulls. do more research before making dumbass comments.
The reason that you only hear of pit bull attacks is due to the media! Negative news is more popular in the media! Look up statistics and meet the dog before you start judging a couple of news stories! Labs were voted as the number one dog for the last couple years by the AKC, yet they have more attacks and bites then pits! Sadly some of the most trusted breeds are the ones who have actual issues! Pit bulls are targeted because they look tough and some people try to use them as a gaurd dog, when they were never bred to be a gaurd dog! Owners are to blame! These same people who owned these pits that have attacked would have had the same problem with any breed of dog they owned. They are irresponsible pet owners who chain their dogs up, under socialize them, and do not use any obedience training. These are the leading cause for most dog attacks per any breed! I am a certified dog trainer and have also worked in shelters for a long time now. Pits have been the least of my problem dogs. In fact statistically nationwide they pass official behavior tests better then most breeds of dogs. Please do your homework before judging any breed of dog! You can't believe something just because the media says it. Punish the deed not the breed! And start holding owners more responsible! Maybe then they will buy dogs because they want them, and not as a status symbol.
well pitbulls were bred to do one thing and thats to hunt boars and hold cattle for butchers to kill there have been countless test done on all dogs including pits about thier tollernce twoards humans they scored an 81 to 95 percent above all other dogs its really how you raise them and if you dont let them or any other dog around people then they will be more aggrsive like the story about the four pits killing that boy thats four dogs in a pack not with owners and they will be more aggresive while in a pack thats comman sense in my home town a pack of wild dogs killed an old lady one was a pit the rest were mixes theres so many stray dogs thats bound to happen most people dont know how to raise dogs in general and having a hyper active dog couped up in a house or chained or in a kennel will effect the way they act
KILL THEM ALL!!!! That would be great, but it won't work. What we need to do is make the owners PAY. You can't own a tiger, or a wolf without a special permit. Why? Because they are dangerous animals and, as a society, we have decided not to let just anyone own them. For the same reason, I can own a hand gun, but not an automatic assault rifle. So you want to own pit bulls, you should be willing to pay. A special permit fee for each one you own. Another fee if you want to breed them. And you should be forced to carry liability insurance. Not fair? Heck, I have to have one MILLION DOLLARS worth of liablity insurance just to set up my little booth at a flea market. And my booth has never bitten or mauled anyone. Why shouldn't people have to carry insurance if they own dangerous animals?
A Prayer of a Pit Bull
Spirit in the sky, who watches over all animals: It is my prayer and my request that you grant greater understanding, and acceptance to humans; those who love us, and those who hate us.
That they will know how loyal we are, how brave we are, and how loving we are. Help them to accept us as a breed in whole, and not let the few tragedies shine brighter than the many great traits that we have.
And those who would kill me, let them know, I forgive them, even though I don't understand their hatred. And those who would beat me, let them know I still love them, even though it is not the honorable way.
Thank you for all the strong traits that you have given to me, and my breed. Help those to know that I stand for courage, strength, loyalty, and bravery. And as my master already knows, let those who would come against my family know that I would surely die defending them.
And just one last thing that I would ask: Let my master know, that if you should call me away, that I will wait patiently at those pearly gates until the one who chose me, comes home.
Amen.
What Animal Do I Speak Of?
Their love is like no other; their heart is pure as gold.
Yet while going on a friendly walk, they're faced with stares of cold.
They're so very close to human, in how they act and what they do.
Unless you've known their devoted love, it's impossible to explain to you.
They are greatly more misunderstood, than any other breed.
We tend to punish this loyal dog, instead of mankind's deeds.
They are always and forever clowns, with a wish for center stage.
Yet while displaying this sense of humor, most people disengage.
They, oh, so want to make new friends, and run and jump and play.
Yet when they happily approach, most people shy away.
Often I've seen children poke, or hop on for a ride.
And when I felt they might get mad, they've only beamed with pride.
I've seen these children yank and pull, with nary a reaction.
Yet media's not interested, unless they've put someone in traction.
They love to snuggle up real close, to give lots of loves and kisses.
Yet they suffer more than any, from unfair prejudices.
What animal do I speak of, whose love is so unique?
If you've truly known one, you know of whom I speak.
There is no creature on this earth who will ever make you merrier.
The animal I do speak of, it's the American Pit Bull Terrier.
By Patty Letawsky
a pit bull attacked my 10 month old german shepherd at the dog park recently. Came out of nowhere. Of course it wouldn't unlock it's jaws from my dogs face and had to be pried off while kicking it in the ribs as hard as I could with hiking boots on. I weigh approximately 200 lbs. Couldn't believe the pit bull wouldn't let go with the kicks as hard as they were to the ribs. All other dogs fight till the other submits. Pit bulls don't stop till the other animal is dead. In response to the nice poem from a pit bull above, I have one too.
Prayer from all mauled by Pit Bulls:
Your owners think your nice
That's what they all have said
Your jaw is like a vice
that leaves your victims dead
Now don't think of me as sick
as I love all other pets
but I wish you lived with Michael Vick
cus your breed's for making bets
now some of you are good
and wouldn't hurt your child
but watch out every other family
this bite won't be mild
so go jump in a gunny sack
i'll throw a treat in first
with my bat i'll wack you hard
and throw you in the thirst
Kill all Pit bulls. They're a menace to society.
Kill all Pitbulls before they kill another human. I was walking my 3 yr old male Dobe when out of nowhere a pitbull attacked me. My dog defended me but, as we all know, pitbulls are killing machines. Without hesitation, I jumped in & got one arm around the pit's neck bringing him close to my body so he would not be able to bite me or my dog & the other arm around his abdomen. Luckily for me and my dog, I'm a big guy & am trained in martial arts. The owners came out of their house & said the same thing all pitbull owners will say sooner or later... I never saw my dog do that before. The woman told her husband to get their dog from me. I was about to break it's neck. Although I've recovered (lost a tooth from the impact of the pitbull knocking me down) my friendly doberman is still friendly to humans but, not other dogs. I don't go anywhere without my gun now. I wouldn't hesitate to shoot a pitbull either.
KILL A PITBULL BEFORE IT KILLS YOU!!!
the lives of every pitbull that ever lived is not worth the life of one child (or any other human being). We're not worried about the pearly gate thing, because people who disregard human life by keeping dangerous animals won't be passing through there!!!
how can you be writting on a "spiritual" site when you talk like the devil? kill all the pitbulls?? all pitbulls are not mean in fact they have a better rep than a pomeranian and you can check those stats on the web! it is NOT the breed that should have a bad rep it is irresponsible owners who are at fault! if an owner teaches ANY animal to be mean or fight or attack then that is all they know. if they are raised with love and affection with dicipline then they are truly a gentle giant, you sir a a big mouth hypocrite who needs to get your facts straight before you go and write about something you obviously know NOTHING about.
Pitbulls aren't mean evil animals!and yes you're right I DO DISAGREE with you ALOT! Pitbulls are loveable creatures! What you(and everyone who agrees that pitbulls should be killed) don't seem to understand is that pitbulls only seem mean because of all the reports. They turn out by the way you raise them. Pitbulls arent naturaly mean creatures they are kind and gentle jus like anyother dog or animal. The pitbulls you hear about are the ones that are breed to fight! Or they may have felt scared or treated..All you people are crazy if you want to kill all pitbulls! Think!!
I have never owned a pit bull, but have come in contact with several. Both of my sisters have a pit bull and a friend of mine has one, as well. If we are to assume that good natured pits are few and far between, should we not also assume that at least one of these three dogs are dangerous. These dogs are no more dangerous than any other breed of dog. Pits are not the only dogs that attack. Doberman's have a reputation, as well, although we don't hear about it much now because all the attention is focused on pit bulls. Aggressive pit bulls are aggressive because they have been trained to be by ignorant people. I have seen reports of people being attacked by different breeds of dogs, not just pit bulls. I have seen reports of people being attacked by other animals, even cats. Not too long ago a cat had to be euthanized for mauling a baby. I'm sure we all know by now about the chimpanzee that attacked a family friend. Come on people, use common sense. In reality, all species have that potential. How many humans are incarcerated for murder or assault. Shall we have a mass suicide to rid the world of the violent behavior of humans? Let's not be ignorant. Pit bulls do not fight to kill either. For the comment by someone of supposed "spiritual" lifestyle, someone should pray for you and your ignorance. As said before, I do not own a pit bull, but they are members of our family. Before that, I had reservations about the breed because I had been influenced by those whose ignorance has rampaged and intoxicated our minds. Luckily I have had the chance to experience the good nature and loyalty of this breed to know that I should have no more fear in their presence than I would have with a chihuaha.
"These dogs are no more dangerous than any other breed of dog." -Tell that to the families whose lives have been forever changed by a pit attack. I have yet to meet a responsible pitbull owner, and in my less-than-humble opinion, ALL pit owners are TRASH! I say torture the animals before we kill them all! God bless whoever burned alive 5those two pits in Dallas a couple of weeks ago!
For every uneducated moron out there bleating about how lovable and kind pitbulls are, there are 4 or 5 former pit bull owners whose dogs have turned on them. On the same side of that coin are dog lovers touting the "It's the owners who train them to be aggressive that are the problem". I don't agree. They are too unpredictable. Lions and Tigers are beautiful creatures too, but we don't allow them to be domesticated because they CAN'T BE DOMESTICATED!! I believe that the breed (Which is not a natural breed, but a hybrid) never should have existed and we should put every one of them in a shredder and make dog food out of them. I can't let my kids play in front of their own home because you never know what irresponsible owner will not confine their poor choice of a pet well enough. Kill em all...every last one of them.
what is wrong with some of you people you cant single out one breed all dogs can kill..not just one breed...its very stupid to think that taking out pitbulls will end dog fighting unless you punish the people responsible of fighting dogs dog fighting will never end if you kill all the pitbulls fighters will just choose another breed of dog it is the people to blame not the dog.......and for those who said pitbulls do know good did you know that a pitbull provided help to helen keller did you know many of the US presidents owned pitbulls or the fact the AMERICAN pitbull terrier was a icon for both the army and navy? why take out an american symbols eagles can kill do you wanna take out eagles to? the pitbull provides many services to communities they do amazing in police work ...therapy to the terminally ill and handicap they find scumbags and take them off the street . you think pitbulls are harmfully and you wanna kill them but DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA how many SEX OFFENDERS live in your town? i think we have bigger issues to worry about then ripping apart families...i say every dog is innocent until theyv done something wrong dont kill a whole breed just bc some unresponsible person raised a bad dog
If I had to guess, the dogs that killed the child were American Bullies, not to be mistaken for American Pitbull Terriers. American Pitbull Terriers are bread by legit breeders that can produce papers, temprament history, family history, and will gaurantee their dogs. Unfortunatley there are a lot of trashy breeders that I like to call backyard breeders out there that have created a designer dog called an American Bully and unfortunatly these unedcutated trash pits of society decided to call them Pitbulls to try to push their dogs on people as somthing else. There is only one true Pitbull and that is the American Pitbull Terrier. If you see a dog called a rednosed pitbull, bluenosed pitbull, or just plain pitbull, these are not Pitbulls at all and should all be correctly classified as American Bullies. They look nothing like an American Pitbull Terrier, act nothing like an American Pitbull Terrier, and are plain bad dogs just like the trash pits that breed these American Bully dogs.
IAM A SURVIVER OF A AWFUL PITBULL ATTACK 6 YEARS AGO. I WAS ALMOST KILLED. IT WAS A TERRIBLE EXPERIENCE. EVERY PITBULL I HAVE COME ACROSS WERE NOT FRIENDLY, IN FACT THE OWNERS ALWAYS SEEM TO HAVE ALOT OF TROUBLE CONTROLLING THEM. PITBULLS ARE A UNPREDICTABLE BREED, THERE IS NO WARNING WHEN THEY WILL TURN ON THEIR OWNERS.AND OTHERS. JUST LOOK AT THE NEWS THATS ALL YOU HAVE TO DO. I HAVE NEIGHBORS WITH A PITBULL. AND IT HAS BEEN REMOVED SEVERAL TIMES AND IT ALWAYS SEEMS TO COME BACK WHY;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFE. PITBULLS ARE A DANGEROUS DOG...........
My little sister was almost killed 3 times by the same naighbors pit bull before I finally told cops I was going to kill it myself if they didn't take it away. This same dog had also gotten loose and attacked other children in the area. The when huby and i bought our house one of our naighbors had a pit. He had goten out of the house and attacked one of my sons playing outside. Thank god it only got him in the back as my son turned and bent to the ground covering his head. The owner was able to grab the dog before much damage was done. 10 stitches in his back but he was fine otherwise. The part that makes me the most mad is they quarentined the dog for 10 days, then gave it back. Even after they knew what it had done. What will it take for people to realize these are not pet material. They are dangerous things.
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