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The death of generations

Wednesday May 14, 2008

Categories: China
A friend e-mails this shocking story from China: generations of Chinese have been wiped out in the earthquake. Really, it's breathtaking to consider the magnitude of the loss -- a loss at least in part to be blamed on China's...
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LeeAnn
May 14, 2008 4:39 PM

Perhaps if they're young enough and haven't been sterilized they might yet have more children. Let's hope. I can't imagine the anguish.

Irenaeus
May 14, 2008 4:52 PM

I've been thinking about exactly this; thanks for posting on it. It amazes me that no one really had the foresight back in the mid-20th century in the US and Europe (and especially Britain) to see that crafting and forming large welfare states at the same time one is instituting pro-abortion and pro-contraceptive policies is a bad idea.

Adam
May 14, 2008 4:57 PM

Of course, when Social Security was enacted in the 1930's, the lifetime expectancy for the average American male was around 63-64, which is why the planners set the retirement age at 65. Late 19th early 20th century social welfare policy meets 21st century demographic reality.

mdavid
May 14, 2008 5:09 PM

neither the Baby Boomers, nor their children, had sufficiently large families

America is relying on immigration to save the day. It's going to be interesting to watch the boomers being taken care of by a majority minority population.

Just like schools always lack financial support in older communities (hey, but my kids are all grown!) it's going to be interesting how a minority population will view the support of old people who are rich, white, and used to getting things their way, right away. It sure won't be their parents the nurses are changing bedpans for. I have a feeling support for the elderly will be at about the same level these elders gave to the unborn in their time. That is, nada.

Marian Neudel
May 14, 2008 5:18 PM

"America is relying on immigration to save the day. It's going to be interesting to watch the boomers being taken care of by a majority minority population."

I'm pretty sure that's already happening. Large numbers of caregivers come from the Philippines and the Caribean (purely anecdotal observation, from visiting friends and relatives in nursing homes.) It would be interesting to know how many of them are legal to work here. But we have already reached the point where caring for our elders is "work that Americans won't do." And while it can't be outsourced, it can be "insourced" to immigrants.

Erin Manning
May 14, 2008 5:22 PM

LeeAnn, many Chinese are sterilized after the birth of their one legal child, not only because this means no more visits from the local birth control enforcement officer, but also because economic and other privileges are tied to sterilization.

In addition, a Google search of the phrase "China Forced Sterilization" will turn up many reports of women being forcibly sterilized, especially if they were suspected of either having an illegal second child or of attempting a second illegal pregnancy--following a forced abortion many women are routinely sterilized as part of their "punishment" for violating China's one-child law.

So the sad truth is that many of these couples have indeed lost the only child they will ever have.

Jillian
May 14, 2008 5:38 PM


China's barbaric one-child policy

If it's inherently "barbaric", is its opposite- narcissistic proletarianism- "civilization"?

Charles Cosimano
May 14, 2008 6:07 PM

The actual average life span when SS was enacted was 58, which meant that if you made it to 65 you were an old person of hoary hairs with both feet already in the grave.

JPL
May 14, 2008 6:09 PM

You know, I don't entirely get this. I mean, obviously the quake and the deaths are horrible, as well as people losing their only child...or any child, for that matter.

But honestly, reduced population seems to be a big win all around. As far as I can tell, we NEED there to be less humans. Less Americans, less Chinese, less everyone. This reduces the strain on our battered global ecology, indirectly reduces greenhouse emissions, etc. etc. I certainly don't support forced sterilization, genocide, etc. But governments instituting policies, or social pressures developing, that cause people to have less children seems like a GOOD thing, not a bad one.

Now, I also understand for any one country, a declining population combined with immigration may result in their unique cultural qualities being diluted or vanishing. But still, for the whole of the human race, policies that reduce global population seem like a good thing.

chinafficionado
May 14, 2008 6:34 PM

Look, this article is rediculous to hang its hat on the one-child policy of china, and calling it barbaric. I love China. I have been there twice now. The history behind the one child policy is, it was put in place to control a population explosion that their land could not support. Whixh is better, to be impoverished to the extent of Africa where people starve, or limit your family to having only one child so that everybody could live? Go to China, look at the billions of people they have. You would not believe the pollution, or the crowding in all of their cities. This pollution from China is contributing to global warming more than anything.. the whole world should be thankful they have a one child policy, because they have been too large and too poor, and grown too fast to keep up with putting the necessary restraints on industry and keeping track of it all until just recently. They are beginning...

aaron
May 14, 2008 6:41 PM

Hmm unfettered child-bearing vs clean environment, you decide.

chinafficionado
May 14, 2008 6:42 PM

Not to mention this is about a natural disaster, which cannot be avoided, and there will always be deaths in such a situation. How does that have anything to do with the policies of any government?? You claim to care about the people, but you obviously really haven't looked beyond your opinion and wrote the article to fit that.

mdavid
May 14, 2008 6:46 PM

Rod, you should put a link to Lawler's article; I was reading it again and keep finding more worthy of thought.

Lawler, Today, being old increasingly defines who we are as a nation, while the vigor and freedom of youth is more than ever what we desire.

The second part of this equation is what matters so much. Who really expects our generation to grow old with wisdom, dignity, and even a touch of humor? It's opposed to everything learned over a lifetime. Youth! Wealth! Freedom!

As we grow old, we are also becoming more repulsed by the natural effects of aging. In our individualistic meritocracy, people are often judged by how “smart and pretty” they are, and nobody is obliged to like or support or care for anybody else.

It's a catch-22. We so love the cult of vigor and freedom we are unwilling to have enough children to keep the culture vigorous. Ouch.


One point Lawler doesn't make that he should have: not only are children lacking, we don't invest enough in the children we do have, and this means trouble later on...call it "family debt". We warehouse kids, send them on playdates, and park them in front of the TV. The SAHM, that invaluable caregiver of traditional lore, is nearly extinct (along with the sit-down dinner made from scratch). Weak, small, and broken families are so standard I believe most elderly of my lifetime are not going to be able to look back without a grimace, wondering how it could have went so wrong. Death will be a lonely and hopeless time of failure, not the final act of a life well lived.

Rick
May 14, 2008 6:49 PM

I expect in coming years the US and other countries will ration medical interventions at the end of life as a response to the swelling ranks of the elderly.

Personally, for myself, I'd welcome this. I reject euthanasia. But I'm not at all sure that successive, expensive medical interventions in one's 80's or 90's are morally necessary, or a wise use of taxpayer dollars. In fact, I'm skeptical that many common medical treatments even succeed in the limited goal of extending the patient's life expectancy.

Bottomline: Not being able to afford the repeated medical interventions borne by the elderly today could be a good thing.

sigaliris
May 14, 2008 9:33 PM

I think it's beyond tacky to use the bodies of dead children as a platform for making some more anti-Boomer/anti-Social Security/whatever speeches. I've known people who lost a child. When that happens, you are crushed with grief BECAUSE YOU LOVED THAT CHILD. That single, irreplaceable being. If you had a dozen more, it wouldn't be any better. Trust me, when your child is dead, you're not thinking about your "lineage" or your old age security or whatever.

Scott Walker
May 14, 2008 9:49 PM

Eleazar, you might consider sparing the rest of us your weary attempts at projection, mind-reading and anti-Christian bigotry. You might consider emulating posters such as Franklin Evans, Daniel, Jillian and many others who can make a point and defend it without reverting to the winning style of the village atheists of yore. You might want to read the post just below yours, where the estimable sigaliris makes a point similar to yours without once being pissy. It's called "writing". Many people have learned how to do it. You can, too.

Rod Dreher
May 14, 2008 10:50 PM

Eleazer is Kim Margosein, who was banned long ago. I'm going to delete his post, as I delete all his posts.

Alicia
May 15, 2008 9:42 AM

Thanks, sigaliris.

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