How is it that Anthony Lane of the New Yorker gets that the film version of "Sex in the City" is meretricious trash...: Next, we have Samantha (Kim Cattrall). Everyone has Samantha, or had her at some point; so she...
Rod: "The attitude seems to be, "If you're a single adult, you're on your own. Keep it to yourself.""
I don't think this goes far enough, unless there's a lot of evidence I'm missing that liturgical parishes have been successful in cultivating an environment where married people can acknowledge and discuss their sex lives and concerns.
IOW, the attitude seems to be, "If you're an adult, you're on your own."
Bless,
Doug
BrJosh
June 10, 2008 1:27 PM
Ahhh, the ancient struggle. What I found was most interesting in all the discourse above was how little emphasis is placed on God's perspective on intimacy and sin. No church needs to dwell on sexuality any more than they need to dwell on lust (same as adultery per our Lord) or hate (same as murder per our Lord). It takes a fleeting knowlege of Biblical truth to know that God sees such activity outside of marriage as sinful behavior. What (exactly) do people expect to hear from the pulpit??? It's sinful to do it, it is sinful to condone it, it is sinful to dwell on it, it is sinful and reckless to fill our eyes and ears with it (i.e. SATC).
Now that that is settled, what is the church to do? A renewed focus not on touchy-feely Christianity but on Biblical orthdox faith (be it Protestant, Evangelical or Catholic) and closeness to the Lord is the best medicine. Anything that brings us closer to God will drive us away from such foolishness (which I can be just as guilty of). Ultimately SATC will have no more impact on the Christian and the Church than people of faith allow.
Charles Cosimano
June 10, 2008 1:32 PM
I was a bit surprised by CT's review, but then I never watched the show and won't bother with the movie, not for any moral reason but because it just doesn't have anything blowing up and I avoid movies that have nothing blowing up. (No one can act any more so we have to make do with loud, banging things.)
Focus on the Family is well-ignored. They all subsist on fermented pickle juice so no one outside of their strange little world cares what they think about anything.
But as a confirmed secularist whose friends are virtually all involved in sexual permutations that even I cannot figure out half the time, I will confess that while I cannot understand the appeal of the tv show or the film, I equally cannot be overly impressed by the objections to it.
BrJosh
June 10, 2008 1:45 PM
I would agree, Doug. Even my Southern Baptist Church is not afraid to confront it, though not as much in the pulpit. Mostly in the smaller group settings where people tend to have closer relationships.
Betty Carter
June 10, 2008 2:01 PM
I write sometimes for Christianity Today, and it's usually more careful and sensitive in its editing than this. Some of the problem, I think, is that readers in general are conditioned to think of a review as an argument either to see or not to see a film/read or not read a book, etc. Meanwhile a reviewer, especially one with a literary background, sees himself more as a cultural and historical respondent than a gatekeeper. Add to that confusion of expectations the fact that a serious evangelical nearly ALWAYS feels a certain ambivalence, even guilt, about swimming out into the secular culture. You have to understand--so many things, even innocent things, were morally taboo in our recent past: dancing, film, fantasy literature, alcohol, strong words, playing cards, and so on and so on. Those Victorian era taboos are finally falling away, but a big chunk of common sense morality seems to be tumbling away them. With our new freedoms we've forgotten that "all things are lawful, but all things edify not." I think it was Martin Luther who said that people fall off one side of a horse and then climb up and fall off the other side.
NathanB
June 10, 2008 2:03 PM
Rod,
I think there are likely many things people like you and me can do to help single folks in our churches find what is missing rather than having to find it in films such as SATC.
I think one of the best ways is for fellow members of the Church to do all they can to encourage and help singles get married. This is not a popular thing in our culture. Considering that further, maybe that provides some explanation for the source of this this "missing something" in our singles. To quote the closing of your previous post: "culture has consequences."
The Church needs to build a culture (dare I say counter-culture) where the normal expectation of its youth is to seek marriage early and to see it as a high calling and even as a particular calling of the children of God (to be fruitful, to take dominion, to raise up Godly children who will become the next generation of Christians). This is not at all to suggest that those who don't marry should be ostracized, but in many cases they've really not been given any alternative expectation to the one pushed by the culture around them (far be it from the Church to set any expectations before them).
It distresses me greatly to hear from my twenty-something relatives who greatly desire marriage that it is nigh impossible for them to find people who desire marriage, even when the folks they meet are so desirous to find purpose in life BEFORE they get married. Someone needs to tell these folks that there is a wonderful, fulfilling purpose for them IN marriage.
Thanks,
Nathan
PatrickW
June 10, 2008 2:11 PM
Maybe the reason the Church has a hard time with this is that large numbers of single adults are a relatively recent phenomenon. It was not that long ago that many (if not most) people were married in their late teens.
Of course there has always been adultery and other sexual sin within marriage, but (except for clergy) we rarely expected young adults to live in celibacy for years or decades. This is a new challenge. And I don't know of any good answer, short of somehow enabling and encouraging kids to marry at younger ages.
tmatt
June 10, 2008 2:14 PM
A brief note about the source. In my experience, the vast majority of the writing at Boundless.org about popular culture is not simplistic and naive Christian niche stuff.
I would say the same for CTi.
Thus, we are talking about a serious argument, worth following.
Bravo for candor.
Alicia
June 10, 2008 2:15 PM
Spoilerish comment below:
I started watching "Sex and the City" in its edited version on the WB. It certainly is not the greatest show ever put on television, but I found it enjoyable. The women characters are fairly well-developed, even if they are basically cliched female archetypes - Samantha, the sexually-rapacious older woman, Miranda, the feminist career woman, Charlotte, the ingenue, and Carrie, who writes about Sex but is hungry for Love. There's some fun to be had there.
The movie wasn't terrible, but I would never have expected it to be well-reviewed by the New Yorker. And, in fact, it wasn't so much about sex. It was more about the false values that keep people from being happy -- in Carrie's case (ATTN: Spoilerish) the idea that having the big celebrity wedding was more important than the marriage. And, in Miranda's case, that her pride was keeping her from being human and forgiving Steve.
In Samantha's case, it was about accepting that it wasn't in her nature to be monogamous and stay in a relationship. I might find her character rather sad, but at least she decides not to try and be something that she is not.
stefanie
June 10, 2008 2:28 PM
I won't see it - not because I'm prudish, or easily offended. What keeps me away is that SATC puts forth the typical, stereotyped idea that if you are not a Hawt Chick or Buff Guy, you have no sexual appeal for anyone. Beauty is made to equal "sexiness." Sexuality has become synonymous with clothes, shoes, accessories, a certain plastic-surgerized body type. That is so completely false, and promulgating that attitude really sets people up for marital unhappiness.
CS Lewis described the whole setup very well in The Screwtape Letters, when he had his senior devil tell the younger one about working hard Down Below on fashions and "styles," which make the woman look "boyish" (now, boyish with implants), "propped up," and terrified of growing middle-aged / old.
It doesn't bother me that the women in the SATC are having sex outside of marriage - it's that their whole conception of sexuality and relationships follow a false and superficial style.
As far as young marriage goes, I think that's not going to happen until we get national health insurance. Young people are allowed to be on their parents' insurance until ages 23-26 (depending on the insurance company.) If they marry, they have to get insurance on their own. Very few 18-20 year olds are capable of supporting themselves in a job with medical insurance (especially critical if they are going to start having children.) Seeing as how more and more young people are being diagnosed with physical and mental conditions which will disqualify them from buying any insurance at all ("Pre-existing conditions"), they're literally facing bankruptcy if they marry without considering economics.
Even beyond health insurance, there simply are not that many jobs available to young people that pay enough to support a family but do not require college (or 4-year college.) This is a critical social issue that NO ONE wants to touch, because the dominant cultural "meme" is that *everyone* should go to college, no matter what - and that non-college-type jobs are "demeaning."
Jeffrey Overstreet
June 10, 2008 2:30 PM
I've never seen the show, and I haven't seen the movie.
But I was surprised to see Barbara Nicolosi of ACT One, who writes passionately about ethics, faith, and filmmaking, come out in favor of Sex and the City.
I saw this film on its opening Friday a couple weeks ago, and have been wanting to blog about it ever since. I was going to post a mostly positive blog, but then I started reading a lot of what other Christians are writing about the movie and I chickened out.
...
I thought it was fun. I went into it as someone who has enjoyed the sanitized version of the series on TBS. I thought about the movie, what I have always thought about the TV show: Sex and the City is not so much about sex as it is about female friendship. And more particularly, how female friendship allows women to survive their relationships with men.
I am also always fascinated by how episode after episode of the source material TV show here - and to a lesser extent the movie - seems to be a Genesis mystery play built around God, rubbing the Divine eyes in the Garden and grimly forecasting to the Woman, "Your desire will be for your husband, and he will Lord it over you." SATC is nothing if isn't watching women desperately trying to obtain and then maintain the male focus.
Again, having not seen the show or the film, I have no opinion of it. Just thought this was worth noting.
When I linked to some negative reviews, I received an impassioned defense of the film from one of my readers, a Christian woman named Jen Zug. Here's a link to her review:
I find this all fascinating. There is very little hubbub over films like Iron Man in which very little is made of the hero's employment of erotic dancers on board his private jet, or Braveheart, in which the hero is happy to sleep with the sexy princess while he goes on to wage war in the name of his murdered wife. These films are, for the most part, celebrated in Christian pop culture.
Like Mr. Mattingly, I'm going to be interested in watching this conversation play out. (Of course, it's only technically a "conversation" if people of different opinions stop shouting and actually listen to one another.)
historychick
June 10, 2008 2:31 PM
I have to admit, I always thought SATC on the small screen was reallt funny, and I was a regular viewer. BUT I never understood the insane appeal it has for some women, since it's so ridiculously unreal! After all, we know NOTHING about the characters beyond their sex lives-- where did they grow up? Were their parents married or divorced? Did they go to college, if so where? There are lots of "meet the parents" episodes, but they are always the lovers' parents, never the main characters'. (Wait a minute, there was one episode where Miranda's mother DIES-- and she's presented as already dead, so we never see her.) Charlotte had a brother, because in one episode he slept with Samantha. We know that Miranda has a sister because she's married and makes Miranda feel insecure....
SATC didn't just obsess on the idea of marriage = both holy grail and end of the world as she knows it, but the whole idea of family and relationships outside the diner and the bedroom. I think it would be great for a thinking young single woman to watch, so it can stir up thoughts of what real values can be, as opposed to the phony values in the series.
Connie
June 10, 2008 2:40 PM
And what about sexuality and the not-married elderly? Here's a link to a Slate article http://www.slate.com/id/2192178
about an 82 year old woman and 95 year old man who met at an elder living center. Their children became involved, and incensed, when their relationship changed from merely romantic to obviously sexual.
Oh, and about encouraging people to strive for marrying young. What's the basis for that, other than "it will help avoid premarital sex"? That doesn't seem particularly Christian.
Kit Stolz
June 10, 2008 2:44 PM
Anthony Lane hated the picture less for its sexuality, although he thought that its depiction was crass, than for its commerciality.
To put it bluntly, he thought the women sold out; or, perhaps even worse, took refuge in their wardrobes, rather than in love.
Interesting that this criticism hasn't apparently even been voiced in any of these Christian critiques.
The Man From K Street
June 10, 2008 3:00 PM
Oh, let's all be kind to CT. Not every commercial packaging medium for religion can sit on its high horse while being owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation, and further subsidized through chakra bead sales and sex-related AdSense kickbacks.
Joel
June 10, 2008 3:00 PM
CT also gave a positive review to "Expelled." We can safely ignore everything CT says about movies ever again.
Rod Dreher
June 10, 2008 3:02 PM
I just posted a bit more from Lane's review, including his brilliant ending in which he says the best name for this movie is "The Lying, the Bitch and the Wardrobe." Ha! Nobody can touch him.
Jeffrey Overstreet
June 10, 2008 3:36 PM
Joel wrote: CT also gave a positive review to "Expelled." We can safely ignore everything CT says about movies ever again.
Joel, CT is not a person. CT is a publications that includes reviews by a wide variety of freelance writers who have been assigned to various films. Those reviewers come from many different places and vocations. If they all sat down to discuss any particular movie, including "Expelled," you'd be likely to hear them agree on some points and disagree on others.
Are you really suggesting that because of *one* reviewer's semi-positive review of *one* controversial documentary... a film celebrated by many Christian-media publications... that thus all of the perspectives of all of those reviewers are thus devoid of value? (And note, the review of "Expelled" contained criticism as well as measured praise.)
Or did you just look at the star rating (which amounted to "good but not great"), and not read the review? The review contained this observation: "The film's biggest flaw is a too-long segment where Stein explores Darwinism's alleged connection to Hitler, Nazism, and the Holocaust, essentially implying that such horrific events are almost a necessary result of belief in evolution. In an interview with CT Movies, Stein said he was especially taken by the book From Darwin to Hitler, saying that "It's about how Darwin's theory . . . led to the murder of millions of innocent people." Well, maybe, or maybe not. That may be a theme to be more fully explored in another documentary, but for the purposes of this film, it seemed too tangential.
So, because of one man's limited praise for one particular documentary, you're ready to write off "everything CT says about movies ever again." Your discernment speaks for itself. I might say that your comment here provokes me to ignore anything you say ever again. But I'd like to be more patient and forgiving, and avoid such rash judgment.
Jeffrey Overstreet
June 10, 2008 3:51 PM
Barbara Nicolosi of Act One: Training for Hollywood gives SATC a thumb's-up.
Reading Ted Slater's rant about Christianity Today in his Boundless column, I found it interesting to go to Focus on the Family's own site to read *their* official review (since Boundless is a Focus on the Family publication).
The FOTF review contains these observations:
Sex and the City showcases the friendships of women. While drinking, gossiping and carousing are less-than-laudable aspects of these relationships, some positive attributes take center stage as well. Carrie, Charlotte, Miranda and Samantha are devoted to each other through thick and thin. They'll fly cross-country to help out a sister in need. They rejoice in one another's victories and mourn one another's sorrows. And from time to time they even work up the nerve to do some needful confronting.
Carrie finds a new friend in her personal assistant, Louise. Bright and dependable, Louise is more than just a hard worker. She helps Carrie overcome a devastating setback.
The film also feels mildly pro-adoption and pro-child ...
And this:
"Interestingly, while Sex and the City plays like a two-hour-plus commercial for worldly wickedness, the lust of the flesh and the Prada-wearing devil, I couldn't help but notice something contrarian to all that: For all the girls' talk about the glories of being single and sleeping around in New York City, the film can't help but hold marriage up as the ideal. The text vs. subtext regarding wedded bliss is more than a little baffling. Big and Carrie's engagement is initially a business transaction. Then his past failures at marriage give him cold feet and cause him to stand her up at the altar. Later the couple literally apologizes to each other for messing up a perfectly good relationship with talk of marriage—which everybody onscreen seems to know ruins everything.
Then, a bombshell. Instead of settling back into their "comfortable" cohabitation, Big gets down on one knee, proposes properly and marries Carrie in a simple ceremony. Who would have thought that as Sex and the City packs up and heads to the country after a far-too-long stay on TV and now the movie screen, three of the four women would be married? And glad to be so?"
So I'm wondering, as Focus on the Family's own reviewer found *some* merit in the movie, is it really so outrageous that CT's reviewer, who points to some of the film's weaknessess and flaws, finds some merit in it as well?
Bill
June 10, 2008 4:12 PM
As an evangelical, I'm sympathetic to BrJosh's post. Christians shouldn't succumb to the pop psychology that dominates our secular culture, insisting that we "talk everything out" in public.
The essence of the traditional Christian rule is "no intercourse outside marriage." Individual believers need to find ways to honor that rule, and millions in every generation have. Why do some folks assume that its impossible without the help of Oprah, Hollywood, church bureaucrats and "experts?"
Wendell Berry addresses this in several of his essays. Our industrialized society, equally alienated from the earth and the body, seeks wisdom on sexual ethics from the high priests of the advice industry, who are more than willing to sell us their "expertise." As Berry says, its time we rediscovered the joy of sales resistance.
Betty Carter
June 10, 2008 4:32 PM
I was thinking of something else about being an evangelical and trying to interact with secular culture. There's still this innocence and timidity in the evangelical movement: we haven't been around that long, and most of us still carry around a feeling of cultural inferiority (why does the Pope have all the good writers?). Those of us who write about secular culture are already afraid of being called bumpkins, so we treat everything with earnestness. Nothing is worthy of a sneer. So far, only a few evangelical writers have learned the trick of sounding superior (Douglas Wilson is one) and the result is that we come across as very earnest and not very entertaining.
Richard
June 10, 2008 5:21 PM
Anthony Lane does, indeed, rule. His collection of several years of New Yorker criticism and essays, Nobody's Perfect, is simply a joy to read. I doubt there's a finer reviewer-essayist writing today: His turns of phrasing and structuring of his essays continually surprise; some are downright stunning. And he's honest, to boot: His review of The Priest, that maudlin Antonia Bird film that wears its ideology on its sleeve and just about everywhere else, noted quite accurately that the film would have been far more interesting had the main character actually remained celibate throughout the film - novel idea, that, and probably contrary to his own ideological sympathies.
MJ
June 10, 2008 5:24 PM
Again, sorry that I don't have time to read all the comments. From the perspective of a single middle-aged person who is Catholic and divorced, I can say that, if you are evangelical and single and think the church has forgotten you, try being in my state. I am in a literal no-man's-land of singleness, not quite married, not quite single, and while the "truly single" have books written for them that do actually say at least a little more than "True Love Waits," nothing has been written for those of us civilly divorced in the Catholic Church.
MJ
Simon
June 10, 2008 6:12 PM
they've decided that no one should see it, period … at least no one who calls themselves a Christian. They think we should essentially have a three-word review: "Don't watch it!"
Can't help thinking here about the attitude of the earliest Christians toward attending public spectacles/games (many but not all of which were brutally violent), military service (which required marching under the standard of a pagan god), and studying "literature" (essentially polytheist religious writings). Christians of the first centuries didn't approach these things with an oversupply of nuance. You can sum up their attitude toward all of the above quite simply: "Don't do it."
John L
June 10, 2008 7:48 PM
Can anyone recall a time when Focus on the Family was amused?
Jillian
June 11, 2008 12:36 AM
A little lost in all this fun is what SATC really is in the first place. It's a drama in which four different, complementary, parts of the female self are given characters in which to deal with the dilemmas of early adulthood.
And it's such a simple scheme- three of the women each represent living dominated by one of the three traditional Freudian elements of the Self. Carrie (Sarah Jessica Parker) embodies the efforts of Reason to keep it all together.
To many people the show will amount to a Rohrschach test, obviously, of beliefs about the female self. And its development to maturity.
I feel rather sorry for Lauren Winner. Despite all her wishes and assertions to the contrary, the ascetic life and normal body-centered life in mainstream society don't mix. People do live one or the other. And it's good to hear, Rod, that many priests have enough integrity not to make strong claims to the contrary.
Chastity seems to me, ultimately, just a different way of saying that sex properly goes along with real love, which is a modest and humble thing 99% of the time. All the bellyaching and loveless sophistry and vain barrels of ink expended on the subject by American Christians is rather amazing. But I guess it's part and parcel of trying to get an inadequate doctrine of human nature to work.
Betty Carter
June 11, 2008 9:12 AM
Just one more note. Someone above said that Christianity Today is owned by Rupert Murdoch. I don't think that's true, but I could be wrong. Why do you think so?
Steve Bodio
June 11, 2008 3:56 PM
Slightly aside-- I wouldn't bet on Anthony Lane (best and wittiest critic in America, and I second the recommendation of his collected essays, and wish he wrote more on books) is utterly "secular", whatever his venue. After reading a lot of him, and especially reading him on Tolkein, I wouldn't be shocked to find out he was Anglo or even Roman Catholic.
RBP
June 13, 2008 11:38 PM
A balanced, insightful, candid discussion--how refreshing! Many thanks.
Anonymous
July 23, 2008 3:31 AM
kinda like the humanness of sullivan's sexuality overriding his christian framework.
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Rod: "The attitude seems to be, "If you're a single adult, you're on your own. Keep it to yourself.""
I don't think this goes far enough, unless there's a lot of evidence I'm missing that liturgical parishes have been successful in cultivating an environment where married people can acknowledge and discuss their sex lives and concerns.
IOW, the attitude seems to be, "If you're an adult, you're on your own."
Bless,
Doug
Ahhh, the ancient struggle. What I found was most interesting in all the discourse above was how little emphasis is placed on God's perspective on intimacy and sin. No church needs to dwell on sexuality any more than they need to dwell on lust (same as adultery per our Lord) or hate (same as murder per our Lord). It takes a fleeting knowlege of Biblical truth to know that God sees such activity outside of marriage as sinful behavior. What (exactly) do people expect to hear from the pulpit??? It's sinful to do it, it is sinful to condone it, it is sinful to dwell on it, it is sinful and reckless to fill our eyes and ears with it (i.e. SATC).
Now that that is settled, what is the church to do? A renewed focus not on touchy-feely Christianity but on Biblical orthdox faith (be it Protestant, Evangelical or Catholic) and closeness to the Lord is the best medicine. Anything that brings us closer to God will drive us away from such foolishness (which I can be just as guilty of). Ultimately SATC will have no more impact on the Christian and the Church than people of faith allow.
I was a bit surprised by CT's review, but then I never watched the show and won't bother with the movie, not for any moral reason but because it just doesn't have anything blowing up and I avoid movies that have nothing blowing up. (No one can act any more so we have to make do with loud, banging things.)
Focus on the Family is well-ignored. They all subsist on fermented pickle juice so no one outside of their strange little world cares what they think about anything.
But as a confirmed secularist whose friends are virtually all involved in sexual permutations that even I cannot figure out half the time, I will confess that while I cannot understand the appeal of the tv show or the film, I equally cannot be overly impressed by the objections to it.
I would agree, Doug. Even my Southern Baptist Church is not afraid to confront it, though not as much in the pulpit. Mostly in the smaller group settings where people tend to have closer relationships.
I write sometimes for Christianity Today, and it's usually more careful and sensitive in its editing than this. Some of the problem, I think, is that readers in general are conditioned to think of a review as an argument either to see or not to see a film/read or not read a book, etc. Meanwhile a reviewer, especially one with a literary background, sees himself more as a cultural and historical respondent than a gatekeeper. Add to that confusion of expectations the fact that a serious evangelical nearly ALWAYS feels a certain ambivalence, even guilt, about swimming out into the secular culture. You have to understand--so many things, even innocent things, were morally taboo in our recent past: dancing, film, fantasy literature, alcohol, strong words, playing cards, and so on and so on. Those Victorian era taboos are finally falling away, but a big chunk of common sense morality seems to be tumbling away them. With our new freedoms we've forgotten that "all things are lawful, but all things edify not." I think it was Martin Luther who said that people fall off one side of a horse and then climb up and fall off the other side.
Rod,
I think there are likely many things people like you and me can do to help single folks in our churches find what is missing rather than having to find it in films such as SATC.
I think one of the best ways is for fellow members of the Church to do all they can to encourage and help singles get married. This is not a popular thing in our culture. Considering that further, maybe that provides some explanation for the source of this this "missing something" in our singles. To quote the closing of your previous post: "culture has consequences."
The Church needs to build a culture (dare I say counter-culture) where the normal expectation of its youth is to seek marriage early and to see it as a high calling and even as a particular calling of the children of God (to be fruitful, to take dominion, to raise up Godly children who will become the next generation of Christians). This is not at all to suggest that those who don't marry should be ostracized, but in many cases they've really not been given any alternative expectation to the one pushed by the culture around them (far be it from the Church to set any expectations before them).
It distresses me greatly to hear from my twenty-something relatives who greatly desire marriage that it is nigh impossible for them to find people who desire marriage, even when the folks they meet are so desirous to find purpose in life BEFORE they get married. Someone needs to tell these folks that there is a wonderful, fulfilling purpose for them IN marriage.
Thanks,
Nathan
Maybe the reason the Church has a hard time with this is that large numbers of single adults are a relatively recent phenomenon. It was not that long ago that many (if not most) people were married in their late teens.
Of course there has always been adultery and other sexual sin within marriage, but (except for clergy) we rarely expected young adults to live in celibacy for years or decades. This is a new challenge. And I don't know of any good answer, short of somehow enabling and encouraging kids to marry at younger ages.
A brief note about the source. In my experience, the vast majority of the writing at Boundless.org about popular culture is not simplistic and naive Christian niche stuff.
I would say the same for CTi.
Thus, we are talking about a serious argument, worth following.
Bravo for candor.
Spoilerish comment below:
I started watching "Sex and the City" in its edited version on the WB. It certainly is not the greatest show ever put on television, but I found it enjoyable. The women characters are fairly well-developed, even if they are basically cliched female archetypes - Samantha, the sexually-rapacious older woman, Miranda, the feminist career woman, Charlotte, the ingenue, and Carrie, who writes about Sex but is hungry for Love. There's some fun to be had there.
The movie wasn't terrible, but I would never have expected it to be well-reviewed by the New Yorker. And, in fact, it wasn't so much about sex. It was more about the false values that keep people from being happy -- in Carrie's case (ATTN: Spoilerish) the idea that having the big celebrity wedding was more important than the marriage. And, in Miranda's case, that her pride was keeping her from being human and forgiving Steve.
In Samantha's case, it was about accepting that it wasn't in her nature to be monogamous and stay in a relationship. I might find her character rather sad, but at least she decides not to try and be something that she is not.
I won't see it - not because I'm prudish, or easily offended. What keeps me away is that SATC puts forth the typical, stereotyped idea that if you are not a Hawt Chick or Buff Guy, you have no sexual appeal for anyone. Beauty is made to equal "sexiness." Sexuality has become synonymous with clothes, shoes, accessories, a certain plastic-surgerized body type. That is so completely false, and promulgating that attitude really sets people up for marital unhappiness.
CS Lewis described the whole setup very well in The Screwtape Letters, when he had his senior devil tell the younger one about working hard Down Below on fashions and "styles," which make the woman look "boyish" (now, boyish with implants), "propped up," and terrified of growing middle-aged / old.
It doesn't bother me that the women in the SATC are having sex outside of marriage - it's that their whole conception of sexuality and relationships follow a false and superficial style.
As far as young marriage goes, I think that's not going to happen until we get national health insurance. Young people are allowed to be on their parents' insurance until ages 23-26 (depending on the insurance company.) If they marry, they have to get insurance on their own. Very few 18-20 year olds are capable of supporting themselves in a job with medical insurance (especially critical if they are going to start having children.) Seeing as how more and more young people are being diagnosed with physical and mental conditions which will disqualify them from buying any insurance at all ("Pre-existing conditions"), they're literally facing bankruptcy if they marry without considering economics.
Even beyond health insurance, there simply are not that many jobs available to young people that pay enough to support a family but do not require college (or 4-year college.) This is a critical social issue that NO ONE wants to touch, because the dominant cultural "meme" is that *everyone* should go to college, no matter what - and that non-college-type jobs are "demeaning."
I've never seen the show, and I haven't seen the movie.
But I was surprised to see Barbara Nicolosi of ACT One, who writes passionately about ethics, faith, and filmmaking, come out in favor of Sex and the City.
http://churchofthemasses.blogspot.com/2008/06/sex-cess.html
She begins:
I saw this film on its opening Friday a couple weeks ago, and have been wanting to blog about it ever since. I was going to post a mostly positive blog, but then I started reading a lot of what other Christians are writing about the movie and I chickened out.
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I thought it was fun. I went into it as someone who has enjoyed the sanitized version of the series on TBS. I thought about the movie, what I have always thought about the TV show: Sex and the City is not so much about sex as it is about female friendship. And more particularly, how female friendship allows women to survive their relationships with men.
I am also always fascinated by how episode after episode of the source material TV show here - and to a lesser extent the movie - seems to be a Genesis mystery play built around God, rubbing the Divine eyes in the Garden and grimly forecasting to the Woman, "Your desire will be for your husband, and he will Lord it over you." SATC is nothing if isn't watching women desperately trying to obtain and then maintain the male focus.
Again, having not seen the show or the film, I have no opinion of it. Just thought this was worth noting.
When I linked to some negative reviews, I received an impassioned defense of the film from one of my readers, a Christian woman named Jen Zug. Here's a link to her review:
http://lookingcloser.wordpress.com/2008/06/02/jen-zug-reviews-sex-and-the-city/
For what that's worth.
I find this all fascinating. There is very little hubbub over films like Iron Man in which very little is made of the hero's employment of erotic dancers on board his private jet, or Braveheart, in which the hero is happy to sleep with the sexy princess while he goes on to wage war in the name of his murdered wife. These films are, for the most part, celebrated in Christian pop culture.
Like Mr. Mattingly, I'm going to be interested in watching this conversation play out. (Of course, it's only technically a "conversation" if people of different opinions stop shouting and actually listen to one another.)
I have to admit, I always thought SATC on the small screen was reallt funny, and I was a regular viewer. BUT I never understood the insane appeal it has for some women, since it's so ridiculously unreal! After all, we know NOTHING about the characters beyond their sex lives-- where did they grow up? Were their parents married or divorced? Did they go to college, if so where? There are lots of "meet the parents" episodes, but they are always the lovers' parents, never the main characters'. (Wait a minute, there was one episode where Miranda's mother DIES-- and she's presented as already dead, so we never see her.) Charlotte had a brother, because in one episode he slept with Samantha. We know that Miranda has a sister because she's married and makes Miranda feel insecure....
SATC didn't just obsess on the idea of marriage = both holy grail and end of the world as she knows it, but the whole idea of family and relationships outside the diner and the bedroom. I think it would be great for a thinking young single woman to watch, so it can stir up thoughts of what real values can be, as opposed to the phony values in the series.
And what about sexuality and the not-married elderly? Here's a link to a Slate article
http://www.slate.com/id/2192178
about an 82 year old woman and 95 year old man who met at an elder living center. Their children became involved, and incensed, when their relationship changed from merely romantic to obviously sexual.
Oh, and about encouraging people to strive for marrying young. What's the basis for that, other than "it will help avoid premarital sex"? That doesn't seem particularly Christian.
Anthony Lane hated the picture less for its sexuality, although he thought that its depiction was crass, than for its commerciality.
To put it bluntly, he thought the women sold out; or, perhaps even worse, took refuge in their wardrobes, rather than in love.
Interesting that this criticism hasn't apparently even been voiced in any of these Christian critiques.
Oh, let's all be kind to CT. Not every commercial packaging medium for religion can sit on its high horse while being owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation, and further subsidized through chakra bead sales and sex-related AdSense kickbacks.
CT also gave a positive review to "Expelled." We can safely ignore everything CT says about movies ever again.
I just posted a bit more from Lane's review, including his brilliant ending in which he says the best name for this movie is "The Lying, the Bitch and the Wardrobe." Ha! Nobody can touch him.
Joel wrote: CT also gave a positive review to "Expelled." We can safely ignore everything CT says about movies ever again.
Joel, CT is not a person. CT is a publications that includes reviews by a wide variety of freelance writers who have been assigned to various films. Those reviewers come from many different places and vocations. If they all sat down to discuss any particular movie, including "Expelled," you'd be likely to hear them agree on some points and disagree on others.
Are you really suggesting that because of *one* reviewer's semi-positive review of *one* controversial documentary... a film celebrated by many Christian-media publications... that thus all of the perspectives of all of those reviewers are thus devoid of value? (And note, the review of "Expelled" contained criticism as well as measured praise.)
Or did you just look at the star rating (which amounted to "good but not great"), and not read the review? The review contained this observation: "The film's biggest flaw is a too-long segment where Stein explores Darwinism's alleged connection to Hitler, Nazism, and the Holocaust, essentially implying that such horrific events are almost a necessary result of belief in evolution. In an interview with CT Movies, Stein said he was especially taken by the book From Darwin to Hitler, saying that "It's about how Darwin's theory . . . led to the murder of millions of innocent people." Well, maybe, or maybe not. That may be a theme to be more fully explored in another documentary, but for the purposes of this film, it seemed too tangential.
So, because of one man's limited praise for one particular documentary, you're ready to write off "everything CT says about movies ever again." Your discernment speaks for itself. I might say that your comment here provokes me to ignore anything you say ever again. But I'd like to be more patient and forgiving, and avoid such rash judgment.
Barbara Nicolosi of Act One: Training for Hollywood gives SATC a thumb's-up.
http://churchofthemasses.blogspot.com/2008/06/sex-cess.html
Reading Ted Slater's rant about Christianity Today in his Boundless column, I found it interesting to go to Focus on the Family's own site to read *their* official review (since Boundless is a Focus on the Family publication).
The FOTF review contains these observations:
Sex and the City showcases the friendships of women. While drinking, gossiping and carousing are less-than-laudable aspects of these relationships, some positive attributes take center stage as well. Carrie, Charlotte, Miranda and Samantha are devoted to each other through thick and thin. They'll fly cross-country to help out a sister in need. They rejoice in one another's victories and mourn one another's sorrows. And from time to time they even work up the nerve to do some needful confronting.
Carrie finds a new friend in her personal assistant, Louise. Bright and dependable, Louise is more than just a hard worker. She helps Carrie overcome a devastating setback.
The film also feels mildly pro-adoption and pro-child ...
And this:
"Interestingly, while Sex and the City plays like a two-hour-plus commercial for worldly wickedness, the lust of the flesh and the Prada-wearing devil, I couldn't help but notice something contrarian to all that: For all the girls' talk about the glories of being single and sleeping around in New York City, the film can't help but hold marriage up as the ideal. The text vs. subtext regarding wedded bliss is more than a little baffling. Big and Carrie's engagement is initially a business transaction. Then his past failures at marriage give him cold feet and cause him to stand her up at the altar. Later the couple literally apologizes to each other for messing up a perfectly good relationship with talk of marriage—which everybody onscreen seems to know ruins everything.
Then, a bombshell. Instead of settling back into their "comfortable" cohabitation, Big gets down on one knee, proposes properly and marries Carrie in a simple ceremony. Who would have thought that as Sex and the City packs up and heads to the country after a far-too-long stay on TV and now the movie screen, three of the four women would be married? And glad to be so?"
So I'm wondering, as Focus on the Family's own reviewer found *some* merit in the movie, is it really so outrageous that CT's reviewer, who points to some of the film's weaknessess and flaws, finds some merit in it as well?
As an evangelical, I'm sympathetic to BrJosh's post. Christians shouldn't succumb to the pop psychology that dominates our secular culture, insisting that we "talk everything out" in public.
The essence of the traditional Christian rule is "no intercourse outside marriage." Individual believers need to find ways to honor that rule, and millions in every generation have. Why do some folks assume that its impossible without the help of Oprah, Hollywood, church bureaucrats and "experts?"
Wendell Berry addresses this in several of his essays. Our industrialized society, equally alienated from the earth and the body, seeks wisdom on sexual ethics from the high priests of the advice industry, who are more than willing to sell us their "expertise." As Berry says, its time we rediscovered the joy of sales resistance.
I was thinking of something else about being an evangelical and trying to interact with secular culture. There's still this innocence and timidity in the evangelical movement: we haven't been around that long, and most of us still carry around a feeling of cultural inferiority (why does the Pope have all the good writers?). Those of us who write about secular culture are already afraid of being called bumpkins, so we treat everything with earnestness. Nothing is worthy of a sneer. So far, only a few evangelical writers have learned the trick of sounding superior (Douglas Wilson is one) and the result is that we come across as very earnest and not very entertaining.
Anthony Lane does, indeed, rule. His collection of several years of New Yorker criticism and essays, Nobody's Perfect, is simply a joy to read. I doubt there's a finer reviewer-essayist writing today: His turns of phrasing and structuring of his essays continually surprise; some are downright stunning. And he's honest, to boot: His review of The Priest, that maudlin Antonia Bird film that wears its ideology on its sleeve and just about everywhere else, noted quite accurately that the film would have been far more interesting had the main character actually remained celibate throughout the film - novel idea, that, and probably contrary to his own ideological sympathies.
Again, sorry that I don't have time to read all the comments. From the perspective of a single middle-aged person who is Catholic and divorced, I can say that, if you are evangelical and single and think the church has forgotten you, try being in my state. I am in a literal no-man's-land of singleness, not quite married, not quite single, and while the "truly single" have books written for them that do actually say at least a little more than "True Love Waits," nothing has been written for those of us civilly divorced in the Catholic Church.
MJ
they've decided that no one should see it, period … at least no one who calls themselves a Christian. They think we should essentially have a three-word review: "Don't watch it!"
Can't help thinking here about the attitude of the earliest Christians toward attending public spectacles/games (many but not all of which were brutally violent), military service (which required marching under the standard of a pagan god), and studying "literature" (essentially polytheist religious writings). Christians of the first centuries didn't approach these things with an oversupply of nuance. You can sum up their attitude toward all of the above quite simply: "Don't do it."
Can anyone recall a time when Focus on the Family was amused?
A little lost in all this fun is what SATC really is in the first place. It's a drama in which four different, complementary, parts of the female self are given characters in which to deal with the dilemmas of early adulthood.
And it's such a simple scheme- three of the women each represent living dominated by one of the three traditional Freudian elements of the Self. Carrie (Sarah Jessica Parker) embodies the efforts of Reason to keep it all together.
To many people the show will amount to a Rohrschach test, obviously, of beliefs about the female self. And its development to maturity.
I feel rather sorry for Lauren Winner. Despite all her wishes and assertions to the contrary, the ascetic life and normal body-centered life in mainstream society don't mix. People do live one or the other. And it's good to hear, Rod, that many priests have enough integrity not to make strong claims to the contrary.
Chastity seems to me, ultimately, just a different way of saying that sex properly goes along with real love, which is a modest and humble thing 99% of the time. All the bellyaching and loveless sophistry and vain barrels of ink expended on the subject by American Christians is rather amazing. But I guess it's part and parcel of trying to get an inadequate doctrine of human nature to work.
Just one more note. Someone above said that Christianity Today is owned by Rupert Murdoch. I don't think that's true, but I could be wrong. Why do you think so?
Slightly aside-- I wouldn't bet on Anthony Lane (best and wittiest critic in America, and I second the recommendation of his collected essays, and wish he wrote more on books) is utterly "secular", whatever his venue. After reading a lot of him, and especially reading him on Tolkein, I wouldn't be shocked to find out he was Anglo or even Roman Catholic.
A balanced, insightful, candid discussion--how refreshing! Many thanks.
kinda like the humanness of sullivan's sexuality overriding his christian framework.
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