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[Erin] Imposing morality

Saturday June 21, 2008

Categories: Not the Onion

You may have seen this story on Drudge yesterday: a condo company has decided to make one of the community's two pools clothing-optional, to improve sales:

Eden came up with a new strategy, "to set us apart from the thousands of other condos out there," she said. "We have two fabulous swimming pools here. We are taking one of them, building cabanas and lush landscapes and completely privatizing it and it will be clothing optional."

A legal search revealed that Eden has the right to make the change, Pirkle said, as long as no one in the pool strolls out naked into the parking lot.

"We do have public nudity laws that we have to comply with," she said. "We will make sure our people don't violate that. If somebody tries that, we will be the first ones to call the cops."

No one younger than 18 will be allowed in the pool area, she said.

I don't think anyone would be surprised to know that I'm not really in favor of nudist pools in condos or other multi-unit dwellings, and thus I'm on the side of those residents who are hesitant to endorse this plan, especially the woman who plans to move rather than stay in the complex once the clothing-optional pool is ready. But I'll readily admit my opposition comes from my religious views, and my notions about culture and civilization, which not everyone shares.

Here's the thing, though: the article mentions that the nudity has to be confined to the private property--people can't go to the parking lot without dressing, and so on, because there are laws against public nudity. But why should these laws exist at all? Does it hurt fully-dressed people for naked people to be walking around? If you don't like public nudity, after all, no one's forcing you to participate in it, and if it makes you uncomfortable you don't have to look. Sure, children may be affected, but that's less important than the rights of adults to be self-actualized and to pursue happiness however they define that concept. Some people are just happier without clothes, so shouldn't they have the right to go without them whenever they want?

Isn't it, really, bigoted to insist that clothes are the normative standard for society, and that people who prefer nakedness ought to cover up in public? Plenty of ancient cultures didn't have the same attitude toward clothing that we do now, and wore very little. If we insist that clothes must be worn in public places, aren't we just imposing our morality on people who disagree?

It doesn't harm any dressed people for naked people to be walking down the streets, going to work, going shopping, or doing anything else the rest of us do. There's really no reason at all aside from personal, religious beliefs to insist that everyone wear clothes in public--and it's unconstitutional to impose our religious or moral beliefs on the rest of the public.

In fact, if our only standard for changing laws is that the desired change doesn't immediately or demonstrably hurt anybody else, then there's no reason not to become a clothing-optional society--though it may make a certain condo company's business strategy seem a little out-of-date. But in our current social climate, I can't think of any compelling state interest, divorced from all religious, moral, cultural, or civilizational concerns, that would override the right of nudists to choose their own attire--or lack thereof.

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Steve
June 22, 2008 3:20 PM

Franklin-Probability is the word. First, at a clothing optional meeting you have people, a select group, who are self aware about the issues. Second, yup it is already an issue. Now, take someone who hits the john once every 2 hours vs someone who has his hairy butt available for scratching non-stop. Given that we all dont get salmonella every week, our current method, while not perfect, works pretty well. I do not wish to try the other experiment. Remember, Erin is positing that this would be a cultural wide event and hence would possibly include, I assume, the bum down the street.

Steve

Franklin Evans
June 22, 2008 3:31 PM

Hmm. I see your point, Steve. However, the not-yet discussed issues like a major change in seating technology seem important next steps in the discussion before offering predictions.

Not completely facetious: if we were all naked, we'd have the currently unavailable option of refusing to shake hands with the [no, Yiddish word, I will not use you here!] who scratches himself just before greeting us. One just never knows if the clothed chap was just in a lavatory, neglecting his minimum public health obligations.

Marian Neudel
June 22, 2008 5:49 PM

I am anxiously awaiting the next move in the War on Terrorism and Crime--compulsory nudity. Obviously, it will have to be preceded by climate control and a major increase in the production of sunscreen, but think of the crimes it eliminates:

concealed weapons (or concealed ANYTHING)
voyeurism
indecent exposure
shoplifting
....

You get the idea. You heard it here first.

brierrabbit3030
June 22, 2008 10:47 PM

Sorry, "Unsympathetic reader", for you to say that it "lacks predictive power", is to pretend that all the warnings about the coarseness, vulgarity, sexual permissiveness, drug use,speech codes, disrespect for athority, public undress, public porn, etc, that were warned were going to happen to us, didn't happen. Lets be honest, they HAPPENED. Just like many voices predicted they would. Now we are told that we should have homosexual "marriage", public homosexuality, and it's all going to be sweetness and light. Sean is right, what evidence do you have, that any more of the same is going to have any better effect on society, that the first 40+ years of such ideas had? Your just hoping. And we are all just supposed to shut up, and go along with the ride again. Sorry, I've had all of the "progressive enlightment" I can stand.

Chris S.
March 30, 2009 1:30 PM

I definitely prefer Erin's more open-minded article to many of the later comments. Some of the commenters here are practically characterizing nudists as hairy primitives (apes, basically). Nudists scratch themselves no more than clothed people, probably less. Why? The same reason shaking hands with a nudist should not be a concern. Because of the awareness of their lack of clothes, most nudists practice good hygiene. Also, nudists as a general rule do not not require special seating arrangements or seating technology because nudists as a general rule carry a second personal towel to sit on. Finally, if you ask any nudist, they'll tell you that if public nudity is made legal, it won't be the nudists engaging in public sex or other public indiscretions. Just like clothed people, nudists are not okay with PDA activities outside of a kiss, hug, or holding hands. They do not allow public sex or other lude acts in their communities and even police their own community in such areas as nude beaches.

Now nudism like any other community has its own share of deviants (i.e. pedophiles, peeping toms, flashers, swingers, etc...) , but they don't last long in the nudist community.

So, any nudist will tell you that nudists as a whole practice good hygiene and also that if public nudity is made legal, it won't be nudists do illegal or lude acts in public.

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